I don't think race has anything to do with this. Also, they were protesting the tax on tea, and destroyed the product to prove a point. Not the same as destroying stores and banks because of an elected president
@SkizleDNizleS, the problem with your logic here is that it's too logical.
@SkizleDNizleS, Sssssshhhh. Facts get in the way of the agenda.
@SkizleDNizleS, I AM THE GHOST OF BATTLES WITH KENPACHI! THE FEAR OF KENPACHI!!!
@Unamused Llama, must be a pretty awesome ghost then
@SkizleDNizleS, Bleach S Abridged. On par with SAO abridged and DBZ Abridged, IMO.
@SkizleDNizleS, 1 million upvotes
@SkizleDNizleS, HOW DARE YOU USE LOGIC TO SUPPORT A REASONABLE ARGUMENT
@SkizleDNizleS, then they phrased it poorly. RANDOM destruction of property makes a protest illegitimate.
@Siska the Khajiit, especially for the internet.
@SkizleDNizleS, I think they were protesting capitalism in general, it just happened to be a good day to protest or they see Trump as a symbol of what's wrong with capitalism
@SkizleDNizleS, Kenpachi you're supposed to be insane. What's going on? That said quite true
@Formless, And what's wrong with Capitalism?
@SkizleDNizleS, I love how you have 0 down votes. Like usually any post involving politics has at least some but I'm glad we can all agree with what you said here.
@I Are Lebo, yep. The picture they used is proof of legitimate destruction of property to fuel their protest lol
@Formless, mmm yes and no. I wasn't there so I don't know 100%, but I have seen a lot of destruction with the chant "fvck Donald trump
@TotalBull, Capitalism more like Crapitalism amiright?
@Mr Sarcastic, Honestly, I'm shocked. I expected a few, but it looks like a lot of people are fed up with this over-generalization of the races, especially when it's just incorrect
@Weird Porn Stash, "alternate facts"
@TotalBull, there's a lot wrong with capitalism. Like the lack of any action that can be taken towards people or companies that do horrible things to other people or the environment. There are many loopholes in law that can be exploited, and were put there by the very people that exploit them.
@I Are Lebo, Your talking about crony capitalism, and your conflating government interaction and regulation with it, which is weird since that's a left leaning stance. Crony capitalism isn't good, neither is socialism, but pure capitalism where the free market is at works tends to fix just about every major issue. Take health care in the US for example. If health care was completely privatised, and we could buy health care across state lines, it would be far cheaper than it is now, so much competition would flood the market the prices would shoot down. Not to mention medicine which is run with so many government subsidies that drives the prices up, most companies instead of innovating drugs so and selling them at a much lower price, you end up having high price spikes and less money out towards research. If a company is damaging the environment, people are free and willing to boycott, negative press would destroy just about any company that does anything the populace doesn't agree with
@I Are Lebo, Also the only reason Companies get through those loop holes is because of government intervention and regulation. In a pure capitalist society the government only runs our defense and protects our individual freedoms while capitalism runs through everything else.
@TotalBull, those few positives about a pure capitalist society would be vastly outweighed by the negatives. A pure capitalist society would have no unemployment support whatsoever. Nor would it have any facilities to support the mentally disabled or financially deprived. Firefighters would have to be paid in order for them to respond to your house being on fire, and many other services that we take for granted today would be gone or hidden behind a pay wall.
Everything has to be taken in moderation. There are socialist policies that make a country better, just like there are capitalist policies that make a country worse. And vice versa. Going all in with one political or economical ideal is a setup for failure.
For the record, I despise the whole left/right ideology. The world is not black and white, and we should not try to separate people into two camps of thought. I refuse to buy into that flawed ideology and I will address each issue as it's own issue.
@I Are Lebo, "as I sit upon this toilet seat that is life, I lean neither left nor right. Instead, I do what feels comfortable."
@I Are Lebo, I think you should really look into the capitalist ideology, because it seems you don't quite understand what it is. Firefighters are under the same jurediction as police, I guess I didn't make that clear. As well no it is not good in moderation, socialism and capitalism do not work together they are polar opposite, that's why there is a right and left, because both sides have completely different views on society, sure they can coexist but they cannot run the government at the same time. I will also want you to look up the income guaranteed idea that is completely capitalist and is a form of conservative welfare, the idea is setup so anyone who is a law abiding citizen and is a contributing member of society gets a guaranteed income, basically an idea to end poverty. If you look at all the socliast or non capitalist government laws that came into play, it didn't balance out the economy it made it worse. You then talk about it not helping the mentally disabled,
@I Are Lebo, I don't know if you really don't know what conservatism is, so I'm just going to let you look up some of my favorite intellectuals, starting with Thomas Sowell, Ben Shapiro, and Mark Levin. Here are some libertarians to look up, Stefan Molyneux, That guy T, there are even some classical liberals I like, Dave Rubin, Matt Christiansen, so please look into these people, than can explain it better than I am able to on here.
@Siska the Khajiit, all logic is too logical
@TotalBull, that's fair enough. My current understanding of capitalism is that it basically boils down to 'every man for himself'.
While I do agree that the differing ideologies cannot simultaneously run a government, they also cannot exist independently of each other. Not well, anyway. Firefighters are under the same jurisdiction as police, and as many short sighted 'libertarians' would prefer them BOTH gone, or at the least privatized, my argument still stands.
I myself live off of government support in the form of disability pay. This is something that would not exist in a purely capitalist society, as I would be looked down on as a leech on society.
There are too many CEOs exploiting their employees by paying them the lowest amount they can for as much work as they can force out of them for anyone to truly believe that pure capitalism is an ideal situation. The fact that less than 1% of the population controls more than 95% of the wealth is a big sign that the system is flawed.
@I Are Lebo, the current system is not as removed from the days of nobles and peasants as people would like to think, and lately we have been backsliding in a bad way. Unless you were born into a billionaire family, your chances of attaining wealth even CLOSE to that is so remote as to be practically impossible.
The system is so badly tilted in favour of the people on top that the people on bottom are totally screwed in nearly every way. For all their other problems, that's not a problem shared by socialism, or some of the other economic systems. Granted, those systems have other, bigger problems, but that's why the best situation is to create a new economic system, with the goal of it having all the strengths of all, while endeavouring to not have the weaknesses.
Change and growth. You either have those, or you stagnate as a society.
@I Are Lebo, Well I would love to hear from you after you look into the guys I mentioned. I used to be a centrist, believing their was no right or wrong, growing up we were on welfare, so I always thought the liberals always had my best interest, but after looking into these people, I completely changed my mind, and I've been pushing for this I once thought were wrong,I used to be pro choice, now I'm extremely pro life. It's crazy what happens when you look at both sides from the middle. Also I would say on anarco capitalist would want to privatize firefighters, most libertarians I know would keep firefighters under government. But there is a strong case for this to be privatized as well, I just so the contrast from our current system.
@TotalBull, for the record, I absolutely believe there is such a thing as right and wrong, and I do not consider myself a 'centrist'.
I just think most people get hung up on inconsequential or less important things, and we tend to ignore the stuff that has long term effects, as very few of us have any real skill at long term thought.
Unfortunately, I'm a little too busy at the moment to do research. I greatly enjoyed this conversation, though. Thank you.
@SkizleDNizleS, Also, wasn't this basically the start of a war? I'm pretty sure that destruction of property belonging to people you're at war with is a legitimate tactic.
@Nellybert , I believe it was a catalyst to the war, but didn't occur during it. It was definitely to send a message that they weren't going to stand for the tax
They destroy tea. Not the businesses and homes of other innocent people.
@whereismyspaghetti, to be fair they destroyed literal decades worth of tea, worth about 1.7 million dollars today, like they destroyed a LOT of tea, now am i saying that justifies what people are doing now? No, but how different is it really
@Beede, It was about having to pay $50 a tea bag and not having any control of it. Not disagreeing with the people's election. On one hand you are directly hurting a major trade that is causing oppression. On the second you have people hurting businesses and other citizens, not the government. It is violence without a cause, and should not be justified. I get he ("might be" because we can't tell just yet) a bad president but the way to rebel is to fight the government refuse to pay taxes, not say the pledge, remain silent when talking to the police. Don't fight the citizens or businesses. Injure the enemy not your neighbor. Unless your enemy is your neighbor... DINKLEBERG!!!
@whereismyspaghetti, The tea wasn't the British government's, it was bought by an innocent merchant who forked over extra money to pay the tax. Just, you know, to make sure you're accurate.
@Barry Dylan, I mean, Colin Kaepernick knelt during the pledge and got torn a new one. No form of protest is good enough.
@UmActually, He got attention and publicity both good and bad, he got a few people thinking. The one company brought I think three ships, even though they knew the danger and was given several threats. The risked "feathering and flogging" because they only had an extremely minimal tax and they turned a easy as well as large profit. The government allowed the ship to go and forced the ship to stay till "all the tea was gone." It was the only direct way they could protest the heavy tariff. So although it wasn't directly the government it was backed and supported by the government to oppress the colonies. It was a statement that was replied with a statement. The merchant was all but innocent especially since he was told the ships were protected by the king.
@Beede, Just out of fact check it was actually around $700,000, which really isn't any better.
@Beede, well considering lots of the people who are being harmed by the "protests" whether business owners or people who are stuck in traffic because of roads being blocked probably voted the same as the protesters. A lot of people aren't doing the simple math, forgetting any electoral college debate, even if Hillary won the popular by 5 mill votes out of the 120 mill cast that is just over 4 percent so out of every 100 people voting that gives you 52-48...yes it is a majority but not so much of one where someone should feel justified to go out and destroy property over it
@UmActually, funny about people complain about "politics in my funny" here, but are ok with Kaepernick protest during the game - not saying you specifically... just in general.
I hate that everything now has to have a political agenda. The government has nothing to do with a fûcking football game. Can we just enjoy a goddamn break from time to time!?
Starting a war to get out of tyranny is not a protest and honestly entertaining to see that people think that...little do they realize if it wasn't for this roughly 240 years ago they couldn't protest today.
@No Sjit, well...It kinda did start as protests and just led to a war (not that I disapprove)
Fun fact: Tea bags were invented unintentionally in the United states.
Completely unrelated fun fact: teabagging was likely also invented in the United States, though this was probably more intentional.
Let's play "is it racist?"
@MyJeepisbrokeagain, it's about white people so of course not
Did they destroy mom and pop shops or corporate giants?
@TooGie, It doesn't make a difference. If you are hurting a business, you are a violent criminal. If you hurt the government, you are a rebel/protestor.
@Barry Dylan, corporate giants own the government. They usually have insurance protection and not to mention they lobby for laws/policies that benefit their corporations. If they're damaged, I don't care. If mom and pops/private businesses are damaged, I have a huge problem.
Black people are the new whiny house wives who complain about everything, and since I have no white guilt and don't watch the news anymore, life is sweet.
Benjamin Franklin actually wrote an apology over this and if i remember he offered to pay for the damages. It was not seen as great back then either
Just want to say, the idea of race confuses me a little. Isn't race nonexistent because it's all just skin color?
@WickedStyx, Racism nowadays is the assumption of a person's culture based on the color of their skin. Like the idea if you saw an Asian person and bowed. Or if you saw a black person in america and worried about getting robbed.
@WickedStyx, Well race is still a thing, it's more than just skin colour. Bone structure is also slightly different between races, and there are some genetic traits (such as skin colour) that go with certain races. I wish I had a better comparison than this, but race with humans is a little similar to different breeds among dogs, although the differences are not as extreme with humans as they are with dogs.
@Vesrox, there has been quite extensive scientific research that shows that there are no different races and that in general there tends to be more variation in a specific "race" than between two "different races"
@Vesrox, That's been disproven plenty of times since it was proposed in the early 1800s during the industrial revolution as a scientific justification for slavery. Bone structure varies too widely to say that there is a fundamental difference between different races.
@Beede, While that is correct in genetic variation there is still racial differentiation in health matters such as skin cancers, sickle-cell, etc. But then in these instances race is more of a latitude thing than a country thing. It's a mess whichever way ya look at it.
@Beede, any forensic scientist can tell you that there are differences between races. If a skeleton is found they can tell what race it is.
@UmActually, forensic scientists would disagree with you. Race can easily be determined from a skeleton by looking for a few characteristics. And of course there are plenty of other differences between races (bone density, differences in keratin, skin pigment, etc).
I guess time lines mean nothing to this creator....?
The men involved in the Boston Tea Party were extremely careful not to damage anything but the tea they intended to destroy. They even bought a replacement for the lock they broke to access the cargo hold.
What's interesting is that there are a lot of upset white people making a bunch of different arguments about how this protesting is wrong and this is wrong, yet those are the same people who are too blind to see why the Unites States is so divided right now, because of ignorant (non-insulting) people saying "well that's not the right way to protest." When did all of you become protest experts
I wonder if it even would have been posted if it said black people instead and cited a different more applicable example. It's weird but it feels like racism a bit?
I don't believe that was the right choice either, so don't blame my skin tone.
Well it wasn't a bunch of white people who did that, it was a bunch of Indians