don't know her name don't wanna know.
This character irritated the shît out of me
@Pool boy till I die, me too. I feel like an easy fix would have been that she didn’t share the plan because of a new order spy that could be on board.
@Pool boy till I die, how come it seems that everyone hates all the new characters?
@TroolFace, I’d suggest watching Film Theories’ video on “How theories killed Star Wars”. It explains how all the theories were based off of existing characters and ideas, so anything that’s new and didn’t meet the expectations of the theories, causes people to subconsciously dislike it. He explains it better in the video, but that’s a small summary of it.
@K1l, yeah I know about that but I consider those people retard because, as the name says, theories are only assumptions. So if they aren't true you don't have to be mad about it, it doesn't make sense. And my question was more for those people who claim that they aren't mad cuz of the theories.
@TroolFace, I don't hate most of the new character, a lot of the problem I had has to do with lackluster writing.
@Pool boy till I die, to be fair, she was supposed to be a pseudo-antagonist for most of the movie. Disliking her was the intent of the writing.
@DeadXOnyx, they did say that
@K1l, I was actually really excited about the new characters since they seemed so interesting. At the very beginning they had great backstory, but what sucks is the entire plot was centered around one problem that didn't develop at all. It may work for standalone films (which is why marvel movies work), but not for sagas like star wars. There was no development, and the characters made almost none of their own choices. I mean, what kind of choice is "stay here and die or try to get help". I mean for the finn/rose story, none of their choices made a difference. Everything was completely luck. You could literally take out all the Finn/rose sidestory and no difference would be made. Absolutely none. If Finn/rose had stayed, then the outcome would have been the same. TLJ can be summed up in 4 words: Luke dies, Snoke dies. That's it. Nothing important was introduced that couldn't be reintroduced in the next movie.
@DandyZombie35, that’s because Rian Johnson is a great director but a horrible writer who can’t help but make the most plot hole and contrived screenplays possible.
@K1l, the Way I see it, the real star wars is the things George created, all of Disney's attempts are just every expensive fan fiction, legends is cannon to me
@TroolFace, are you one of those people that don’t believe in revolution because it’s “only a theory”? A theory is not an assumption... that’s more like a hypothesis is.
@Pool boy till I die, why tf was her hair purple??
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I'm going to keep our secret escape a secret because if the enemy finds out the will totally obliterate our people and we don't know if there are any spies or traitors amongst the crew.
@Formless, And the crew member who is most firmly pushing me to divulge the secrets disobeyed direct orders and decimated nearly our entire fleet to destroy one destroyer.
@Formless, but the plan was found out when someone "overheard", no?
@Kalam1ty, tbh though the resistance maybe lost 100 people but the 1st order lost thousands. Had they not destroyed the dreadnaught there there is a good chance it would have destroyed the entire resistance after it tracked them through hyperspace
@Formless, Yes because that was firmly established. It's abundantly clear that she was keeping an eye out for traitors. The words she spoke are completely in line with that. We have enough information on her character in-movie to assume that that was her reasoning. And her plan wasn't something that the First Order would figure out by looking slightly to the left.
@Kalam1ty, Okay but what about the rest of the crew? Several of the high commanding officers mutinied, too. And part of being a leader is having the trust of your subordinates. I'm not saying Poe was right, but "his" mutiny wouldn't have been successful if it had only been him. Holdo is a shjt leader, too smug and disconnected to govern an entire vessel, and yet her secrecy was never called out in-movie.
@Formless, it wasn’t a secret. Anyone could see they were fueling up the ships, and the whole crew had to evacuate. Also, Poe was like her second or third in command because all the other high ranking officers were blown up, which is why he thought he was going to be chosen to lead.
@Formless, She’s not very good at keeping secrets though - some random dude Finn met in an alien jail apparently knew enough about it to tell the First Order when he got caught! (Seriously, how the f**k did he know? Finn & Rose didn’t know, so they couldn’t have told him).
@Formless, Yes, but even if there were traitors there, they would've scanned the system, saw what was going on, and then reported it to the First Order. But leaving Poe, who is, essentially, one of your highest ranking members and a pilot that much of the crew respects enough to help disobey orders and even mutiny, does nothing for your situation. He's a soldier. He's concerned about the survival of the crew, anyone would easily be able to tell that. Even if there was still a spy, Poe still saw that she was fueling up the transports, so that would've been a great time to explain what the heck was going on. Heck, she could've told him the plan after he told her his plan to deactivate the tracker. She was an absolutely horrible tactician and an awful leader.
She didn't share the plan, because the plan involved her flying the ship to her death as a distraction for everyone using the escape pods. She didn't want to announce herself as a self-sacrificing hero
@Dolan smelf, A title which she had not earned whatsoever.
@Agent New Mexico, you don't think she earned that title by hyper jumping into tho bad guys and saving the rebellion?
@Dolan smelf, I'm saying her actions prior to that did not feel right to allow her to get that title.
@Dolan smelf, she could’ve shared the plan but left out the information where she would stay on the ship. The question is would they have still tried to disable the tracker had they known about it. If they had not gone to pick up that guy to try to disable the tracker. Their plan to escape on the shuttles in secret would have succeeded.
So does her not sharing the plan set other events in motion.
I would have to say yes. Because they could’ve at least informed the crew that they had a plan to escape rather than sit and hope that back up will arrive. As leaders they should’ve known that people who thought they were facing and impossible to escape situation were more likely to do something bold.
Okay whatever but from now on ramming another ship at lightspeed shall be known as the Holdo manoeuvre!
Yeah, but Poe was a real villain in that movie. I don't totally blame her for not trusting him
@Cruxio , Spoilers. He had saved the rebellion on previous attacks. He was known to be wreckless when attenpting to save the rebellion. He probably shouldnt have been left out of the loop. They knew he may do something rash.
The question is if he knew what the plan was would he have still tried to to disable the tracker. If Fin and Rose had never left to disable the tracker. Their plan to escape secretly on the small shuttles may have succeeded because they would not have found that guy that betrayed them.
In hindsight that was pretty stupid of her. It only made sense in a making in a movie sense but not in a realistic sense
Well a hotshot disobedient pilot who needlessly got people killed is not a person that an admiral would reveal orders or tactics to.
What a horrid, horrid movie. It made me sad.
I guess it kind of makes sense. Because if she had told the rebels they were abandoning the ship then someone like Poe would start a mutiny. The crew mutinied when they found out what the plan was. Not because Holdo wouldn't tell them
Still.....God Speed eh?