A lot of signs were given that day.
A lot of cunts
I'm not gonna give you a driver's license because its against my religion. But you work at the DMV! I don't care, I'm Amish and cars are machines of the devil, giving you a license makes you sin.
To anyone who defends Kim Davis. See how fvcking stupid it would be if it were another religion, and how apeshjt the media would go against it?
@D0N RAM0N, what happened?
@Vintage newbe, she denied state marriage licenses to homosexuals because of her personal religion. She got jailed for not doing her job, but a lot of people rallied around her and she's now back to work. And apparently she's still denying marriage licenses to homosexuals
@D0N RAM0N, I think people should be able to sell their products or services to whoever the f*ck they want to. People are just too damn sensitive. Oh this lady hurt my feelings lets tell the media
@Vintage newbe, she went to jail after refusing to give marriage licenses to gay couples. She recently got out of jail and people are praising her courage.
@ninja cheese, Well, that's different. This lady works as a government official, not as a private business owner. Private business owners should have the right to serve whomever they like, government officials shouldn't. Imagine if cops didn't respond to calls made by Muslims just for being Muslim.
@ninja cheese, if I'm not mistaken, your first reference was to a law in Indiana that allowed people to deny service based on religion, right? I'm kinda confused on the second part
@CriTiKa1, I'm sorry I phrased my statement wrong, I meant all private business owners
@ninja cheese, this isn't a privately run business, this is a government run office. She ignored a direct order from the Supreme Court. For some reason I think she went to jail for more than hurting people's feelings.
@D0N RAM0N, heh I'm actually from Indy and the law, much like my statement was horribly worded, the law was supposed to say private business owners could deny sales to anyone but people took that as our governor Mike pence was a racist, homophobic Satan loving dickweed who is having a love affair with hitler
@D0N RAM0N, No, no, that isn't how that is at all. I won't waste the time to debate this here with you, but take note, she denied ALL marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling, same-sex or not. Do keep in mind that she denied it to everyone to not discriminate.
@Massive Liar, you're right in that she did deny marriage licenses to all people, BUT she did mention her religion and her interpretation of marriage as the reason she didn't issue marriage licenses in her speech when she left jail.
@CriTiKa1, I completely agree, being a Christian I still think she's a dickweed. If this was a private business, I would be with her she would have the right to sell to who she wants, but seeing as how she works for a government run facility she should be doing her job or find another.
@CriTiKa1, nobody had the right to refuse service to someone based on who they are.
I've done research since the last time you made a similar comment, and while I acknowledge that the USA does not have any actual laws against refusal of service based on discriminatory reasoning, Canada does.
If you were a small business owner, and you denied me service simply because I'm Jewish, and I went to the law and the law said I could do nothing about it?
I would burn your store to the ground.
@ninja cheese, the problem isn't people not being able to sell to whoever they want. It's them being able to REFUSE service to anyone they want.
If I go I into a McDonalds for a burger, who I am doesn't matter. All that matters is that I pay and that I am not disruptive.
How would you feel if you were on vacation somewhere, and you wanted to go into a restaurant and they refused you entrance because of your skin colour?
@I Are Lebo, as a private citizen, if I don't want to talk to someone, then I don't have to talk to them. There is no law that says I have to talk to, stand next to, sell to, buy from, etc...
Now, if I say "I'm not going to sell this to you because you're Jewish" then they might have a lawsuit for discrimination. But if I say "Sorry" and hold up a sign that says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", then I'm fine. If you want to sue me, you can (you can sue anyone), but as long as I have any reasonable reason why I might deny service, the case will get thrown out.
The issue isn't people not serving gay people, it's stupid people actually saying "we don't serve gay people."
@I Are Lebo, And I would happily collect the generous insurance money while testifying against you in court.
@I Are Lebo, I would simply walk out of that restaurant and go to another one. Simple as that. You can't force bigots to stop being bigots. Plus, they don't deserve my money. I'd much rather give my money to someone who isn't a racist than to force a racist to take my money.
@D0N RAM0N, she isn't denying them, she stopped issuing them all together because her name was registered on the marriage certificate as the county clerk. She is pushing to have the name removed from the certificate so she is comfortable issuing those licenses. I don't blame her. At least she is sticking to her moral ground rather than flipping just because it's what everyone else wants. The problem could be solved very easily and the gays could still get their licenses.
@I Are Lebo, I would go somewhere else, the food I WOULD get from those people I wouldn't feel safe to eat
@1NutParking, or, she could do her job, that she was elected to do, until the next elections and then she can get a new job. No problems for anyone.
@D0N RAM0N, I'm not denying that, I'm just trying to clarify that she did not want to discriminate against people, or break the law, while also not supporting sinful activities/lifestyles. I understand you disagree, I just want the facts clear.
@talmet, exactly my point. "As long as I have a reasonable reason to deny service"
Being gay or Jewish isn't a feasible cause to deny service.
@CriTiKa1, "I would simply walk out of that restaurant and go to another one. Simple as that. You can't force bigots to stop being bigots. Plus, they don't deserve my money."
I agree with this 100%. In fact, actually faced with this situation, that's very likely the path I would take.
As much as I would love to destroy the livelihood of a bigot, it wouldn't be worth going to jail for an arson charge. (Or God forbid it goes wrong and it's a murder charge)
But fantasizing about revenge is cathartic.
@I Are Lebo, ...you think I can't come up with a reasonable reason by the time the case makes it into a court room?
I mean, it's like if someone you hate comes up to you at work. Do you say "I hate you, go die in a fire"? No, you say something like "sorry, I have to go talk to someone about something right now"
Personally, I don't care about gay marriage. But if I did, and if I was a baker or florist or whatever, and some gay couple came in and asked me to do their wedding, it's a very easy and simple excuse. "Sorry, I'm all booked on that day, there's another bakery down the street you can try"
Perfectly reasonable, and if someone notices I'm not busy when the day comes "yeah, I had a cancellation."
@I Are Lebo, oh, another perfectly reasonable reason to not do a gay wedding "I'm actually taking a vacation on that day, so I can't do your wedding."
Again, if someone notices that I'm working "Ugh, yeah. I was hoping to go on vacation, but something came up and I had to postpone it."
@talmet, ugh. The one time I forget to copy it my comment fails. 😖
I agree with you.
You can't help how you feel. If you are uncomfortable with a certain group, or even afraid of a certain group (whether through traumatic past experiences or ignorant teachings growing up), you can't control what you are feeling.
You can control what you do.
Making an excuse to avoid an unpleasant situation is kind of the whole basis of civilized society. You pretend you don't have these feelings, and in return others can pretend they don't know.
If you are afraid of Arabs and a man walks into your store with a turban on, you are completely within your rights to pretend to be busy in the back until your coworker takes over or the guy leaves.
You are absolutely not within your rights to tell him to leave.
Your right to serve who you please is not more important than his right to not be discriminated against.
This is, I think, the part where most of the fights happen.
@I Are Lebo, people think that their rights are more important than anyone else's.
Your right to practice your religion does not give you the right to deny other people the right to choice.
Your right to bear arms does not give you the right to deny other people the right to safety.
Your right to freedom of speech does not give you the right to deny someone else's right to privacy.
It seems the very simple 'do unto others' rule is a little too complicated for a lot of people to comprehend.
@ninja cheese, it's not her product to sell. It's the government's. And I'm against gay marriage.
@D0N RAM0N, They never officially legalized gay marriage in Kentucky, it wasn't against the law.
This pleases me
@Devils Avocado, this comment pleases me... Sexually
@Devils Avocado, sexually
@Devils Avocado, bisexually?
Meanwhile at a Donald trump rally.
(Sorry I didn't want to start a political war.)
@Im my own grandpa, Don't worry, You didn't. That already happened up there ^^^^^^^^^
I'm not gonna comment, I'm not gonna comment, I'm not gonna comment...
@The Sandlot, you commented...
@Captain Charles Vane, crap, there goes my goal for the day. Back to doing nothing
@The Sandlot, it was a good attempt, you tried really hard
Honestly, Kim Davis simply refused to violate her beliefs even when the state abridged her religious liberties by means of incarceration. The state is at fault here, not Kim Davis. Marriage needs to be privatized.
@Doctor Krieger, sorry, but she works for the government. The government says somethings legal. It's not up to her, it's up to her boss, who just so happens to say it's legal, so it's not the states fault. It's hers for having a job that doesn't align with her belief system. Also, she's a hypocrite. She's divorced four times and has had children out of an adulterous affair, two things the bible says are a huge nono. Long story short, she's a cvnt who is being a cvnt because she can.
@Tyrantrum, sorry, but slavery and segregation were also the law. Would you have criticized a voting booth attendant who let a black man vote, even at risk of incarceration? If you derive morality from law, you're gonna have a bad time. Also, you can quit with the ad hominem attacks. What other things she's done with her life is completely irrelevant to the situation.
@Doctor Krieger, no, it has everything to do with it. Hypocrisy is a fact with her, and she deserves the backlash. I have my own morals, that doesn't mean I should project them out on people. Sure, morality has a big part to play with every thing, but she had no right to refuse them their licenses when her employer says so, if she didn't like the decision, she should've quit her job.
@Tyrantrum, it has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't care if she was a neo-nazi. Her religious liberties, which she very much has, were violated, regardless of whether or not she is a good person in your eyes. She has every right to refuse to violate her beliefs. You are the one projecting your morals onto her.
@Doctor Krieger, freedom from religion means that religious persecution should not be a thing, however, she's complaining that her rights are being violated when she violated the rights of those couples. And nice downvotes, I'll cherish them forever. She does not have that right to refuse someone the law, especially when she has the right to just leave. And yeah, separation of church and state. Therefore, her religion should not conflict with governmental matters.
@Tyrantrum, freedom of* religion. Also, you're really scraping hard from the bottom of that barrel of bullsh*t for an argument here, aren't you?
@Doctor Krieger, no, but it looks like you never took a government class. Freedom of Religion and Freedom from Religion. And the fact that you're cursing shows me you have the maturity level of a toddler when you're wrong.
@Doctor Krieger, having freedom of religion doesn't give you the right to push your beliefs towards someone else. Christians will always say they're being persecuted, but little do they know that they're doing the persecution themselves. For example, the Muslim flight attendant who refused to serve alcoholic beverages to the passengers, does she have the right to do that?
I think I believe in God again
I got five upvotes on this with the glitch. I decided not to try anymore.
She reminds me of Big Boo from orange is the new black after she found out she could scam the crazy Christians. Happy heterosexual morning to you too
Lord Satan has down well