You cant compare this to the flu! Proceeds to compare to Vietnam war and 9/11. Wait... what????
@sbcarp, well, the virus itself may habe flulike symptoms, but the death tolls are definitely more similar to those of a war.
@Your Waifu, depends on which strain of flu you are taking about. Seems to me a more meaningful and productive comparison would be to other pandemics like Spanish flu, Hong Kong flu, even h1n1, cancer, or heart disease. Regardless of the numbers it's still a fallacy to compare Covid-19 to war or terrorist attacks. Seems more intended to elicit the emotional responses we all collectively have from those events than to make a productive comparison to help us move forward as a society and come up with effective policy for handling it. Botton line, it comes off as dishonest to me
@sbcarp, the actual point of the comparison, at least in my opinion, is to point out to people that despite what some may claim, this virus is a very serious threat. The reason someone might think this comparison is necessary is because people treated those subjects as serious when they happened, but the Coronavirus is happening right now and many people are treating it like a joke, and because of how it works the people treating it like a joke are actually contributing to it spreading faster.
@Your Waifu, I agree with you that it is serious, even at a 1% death rate, with a population like the USA at 330 million we're looking at deaths in the millions before it's all over. But here's the truth of it, we can avoid war, make peace, or declare war. We dont have the option of making peace with this thing, it's a mindless killer. Dont be fooled. When comparisons to war are made but comparisons to other pandemics plagues and disease are dismissed a narrative is being constructed. We have to be more responsible and logical as free peoples and not accept half truths and demagoguery from any one looking to make political hay from this crisis but insist on open fair honest discussion.
@sbcarp, nobody ever dismissed any other comparisons, they're just saying that the death toll for this is more like that of a war than that of an ordinary flu because some people are just treating it like a more contagious version of an ordinary flu. By saying that other comparisons are being dismissed when they aren't even mentioned in the first place, you yourself are constructing a narrative about how not making comparisons is the same as dismissing them.
@Doctor Yak, is the dude to leave a shopping cart in a parking spot instead of putting it to the designated area
@Dr TalleyWacker, nah, I'll put those back because that's the store's property and I treat other people's property nicely. And if a store requires masks and I want to go in, I'll wear one. I just shouldn't be required to wear one in public spaces.
That "more than 80000 American lives" bit is untrue, btw. It's closer 51000, and that's including deaths that only might have been caused by the Rona.
@Doctor Yak, still a lot for a short time but it’s true the numbers are being fluffed for government funding. However there are only so many ways to do that discreetly so even keeping that in mind the actual number is likely still very high
@Natural Sarcasm , actually, fewer total people have died this year than the average of the past 3 years by the same time this year. Granted, if you look at it state by state, some states have seen an increase with the highest being New York with more than twice as many dead as expected. But there are only 5 states that have a higher death rate than expected. And I'm talking deaths from all causes. So the Corona deaths only make up a portion of that, and even with that, fewer people have died overall than expected.
edit: actually new York city has had more than double the expected deaths. New York as a state, excluding New York City, is just a little more than expected.
You do you. I won't give you crap for wearing a mask if you don't give me crap for not wearing one.
@Doctor Yak, yea except im not endangering lives by wearing one whereas you on the otherhand...
@Doctor Yak, given the nature of this disease, all people who can should wear masks. We wear sunblock to protect ourselves on the beach. We wear masks to protect ourselves from disease
@KingofFunnypics, I don't wear sunblock at the beach. And I'm not afraid of the disease, so I don't feel the need to protect myself from it.
@Doctor Yak, wearing a mask is not about protecting yourself its about preventing yourself from spreading it to other people because you can have it and not show symptoms for 2 weeks by not wearing a mask youre being selfish and not caring about the lives of the people you interact with
@Doctor Yak, It is your choice but I would not want you around me, my family or anyone I know if I could help it. That's my choice. I don't say that to judge you, you can do whatever makes you happy. The world needs to reopen some day, and it's likely people will have to wear masks to go outside to be safe
@demonik94, it also protects you.
@KingofFunnypics, very little the main reason to wear it is prevent you spreading it
@demonik94, I shouldn't be forced to do something because you are afraid. If you are afraid, you should be the one to take precautions.
@Doctor Yak, Not when you not doing the thing hurts others. You don't leave your cart in the middle of the road when shopping right? Because I'm afraid of hitting a rogue shopping cart.
@demonik94, Your not wrong but it's both a matter of phrasing and ability. People are going to see it barely protects them and not wear it. A mask is the single best defense you can wear if forced into close quarters outside with others. The virus spreads via droplets landing on the mouth nose, eyes and any other entryway to the body. Wearing a simple bandana and close fitting sunglasses or goggles provides a strong barrier. It does nothing however if you don't frequently sanitize your hands with soap or chemical cleaners.
@Doctor Yak, Congratulations, ya self-serving narcissist! You are one of the worst kinds of people!
@Doctor Yak, it’s like peeing. Imagine someone peeing on you. Now imagine you wearing pants. You’d get less pee on your skin right? Now imagine if that other person was ALSO wearing pants! No pee for you at all!
@Doctor Yak, It isn't about fear, It's about respect for others. You might be carrying it without knowing and spreading it to people who will go on to die of it and you won't even know it happened.
@KoolHandLuke, or I could just move out of the way if it bothered me. No need to make them put on pants.
@Totally Not The NSA, if I'm a self-serving narcissist, then you must be a simpering control-freak.
@Jimses, if I don't know it happened, why would I care?
@Doctor Yak, Yup. Not putting my own self-comfort above others health and safety definitely makes me a control-freak...riiiiight.
@demonik94, actually, you can have it and not show symptoms ever. It stays dormant in some people, and these carriers can still spread it despite not showing symptoms. So yeah, wearing masks is pretty important, even if you don't think you have it and don't think anyone you know has it.
@Your Waifu, meh, agree to disagree.
edit: sorry, I thought you were getting on the band wagon of telling me stuff I already know. didn't realize you were replying to someone else.
@Doctor Yak, it it were only your own safety at risk, then there'd be no issue. The problem is that this disease is extremely infectious, even without showing symptoms. So when someone doesn't wear a mask, they risk not only infecting themsleves, but everyone they come in contact with. Then all those infected people use the already limited medical supplies and resources that are available
@Wankershim, except this disease is hardly dangerous. Most people that have had it didn't even know they had it, which means it was harmless for them. I acknowledge that it's dangerous for the at-risk population, but they're the ones that should be taking precautions, not the ones that are not affected by it.
@demonik94, then dont go close to him.
@Doctor Yak, the mask doesnt protect you. It protects others.
@demonik94, except your paper mask doesn't actually do shjt and it's a placebo you moron
@Doctor Yak, hardly dangerous? Tell that to the 80,000 dead in the US alone. I think you fail to understand that even healthy people can get this highly infectious disease and are likely to spread it to those who are high risk, like me, an asthmatic diabetic. To add the fact that people who are infected and contagious may not show symptoms for up to two weeks. Masks aren't comfortable I know because I'm a painter and have to wear them regularly. But you know what? I deal with it. And I have no problem dealing with it if it means saving, not only my own life, but potentially others.
@Wankershim, I'm saying it's hardly dangerous for an average person. I said I acknowledge that it's dangerous for the at-risk population, but that is a pretty small percentage of the United States' population. It's estimated that there is between a 97 to 99 percent recovery rate, which means almost everyone that gets it is fine, or at least not dying because of it. So, the small percentage of people that might die from it should be the ones to take precautions, not the 97 to 99 percent that are not at risk of dying from it.
@Doctor Yak, I hope you know that what you’re saying literally means you don’t care if you kill innocent people. My mother is currently undergoing chemotherapy for cancer and is extremely immuno-compromised. She could die because of your selfish actions.
@Doctor Yak, Also, have you not heard about many people whose lungs are permanently fvcked up for life from getting it? Yeah they didn’t die, but now their quality of life has been reduced even though it could have been prevented by individuals who followed protocol and did their part to prevent the spread.
@OpalUtopia, I'm not killing anyone. And for you to insinuate that is absurd. Just as I can't know myself whether I have it, you also can't know whether I do. And if I don't have it, me wearing a mask serves no purpose beyond marginal protection for myself. We're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, so why should this be any different?
@OpalUtopia, I've also heard of people with the disease having no trouble breathing despite having low blood oxygen levels. And I'm fairly confident that the vast majority of people have come through it with no lasting effects.
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Your not wrong but it's both a matter of phrasing and ability. People are going to see it barely protects them and not wear it. A mask is the single best defense you can wear if forced into close quarters outside with others. The virus spreads via droplets landing on the mouth nose, eyes and any other entryway to the body. Wearing a simple bandana and close fitting sunglasses or goggles provides a strong barrier. It does nothing however if you don't frequently sanitize your hands with soap or chemical cleaners.