Rian made the movie more true to the original series than any of the prequels and TFA
@K1l, please elaborate
@K1l, I'm someone who really love the movie but i also would like more context for this statement
@K1l, Gareth Edwards was more true to the original series when he directed Rogue One
@Sexy Homunculus, do you actually believe that or are you being facetious?
@TR8R, it's my honest opinion
@Sexy Homunculus, huh. Why?
@TR8R, it felt a lot more grounded in the Star Wars universe than TFA and TLJ ever did. Then again, it did take place immediately before A New Hope so I guess that's natural. I can't speak for everybody but I felt a much greater sense of nostalgia watching RO than I ever did watching TFA
@Sexy Homunculus, I loved RO but that was because it told an excellent story and had some amazing action scenes. I can’t say I felt nostalgia since almost every character in the movie except Vader and the CGI monster clones of Tarkin and Leia were new.
@TR8R, the funny thing is I thought at first I was going to hate RO because I didn't like TFA and was convinced the forced reshoots were going to ruin it. But I loved how it captured the atmosphere of the original trilogy (or A New Hope at least) with the vehicle designs, set pieces and a lot of the costumes. And while you could argue it's not as good of a film as TFA and TLJ I'm glad it told an original story and offered plenty of great action like you mentioned
@Sexy Homunculus, yeah I absolutely loved rogue one. It’s up in my top three for sure
@DarthIvan, He focused on balance. A constant theme of the originals was balance of the force. If you look at this way, the force was perfectly balanced the whole time: after Obi-Wan died, the only force users were Yoda who matched Palpatine and Luke who matched Vader. After Yoda died, the force was uneven: 2 Dark Side users to 1 light side. Luke and Vader killed palpatine, perfectly balancing the force.
Tlj focused on balance. There are 4 major force users: Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke. The movie was about how Rey’s power matched Kylo’s, Luke and Snoke both stated nearly the same thing: “the dark rises and the light to meet it”. Then after Snoked died, Luke died shortly after, leaving Rey and Kylo, who are perfectly balanced as demonstrated by the lightsaber being torn apart.
Not to mention puppet yoda, the fact that everything matched up to Star Wars lore andthe darkness in Luke (luke definitely had it in the originals, Yoda even said that: “much anger in him, just like his father”)
@Sexy Homunculus, they did an incredible job of taking us back to being a kid again, watching A New Hope. The scenes in that gritty street and in Jedha were so detailed and alive that could almost smell and taste the food the vendors were cooking. Also, there were no crazy aliens in the background farting or pooping like the prequels. I loved the story of the prequels, but I think the execution was rushed. The new trilogy is a fresh new take on star wars. They need to teeter on the fine line of nostalgia we love, and fresh new ideas to keep us interested.
@K1l, except for all the other force users in the galaxy. There were light and dark force users still alive at the time of a new hope (and this is in the new Cannon). He may have tried to say it was about balance but the only way it works for star wars lore is if it meant self balance. The only saving grace of the film was the rey and kylo scenes, and when Luke finally started acting like Luke, the rest of if was just terrible. And the way they are explaining things like rey learning through osmosis is just terrible lazy writing. They turned her into the star wars version of rogue from x-men. I enjoyed TFW but TLJ was just bad with not alot making since.
@Droppaduse, Let’s agree to disagree. I think the movie was great, but I understand why you could think it was bad.
Ignoring canon outside of the movie, he was still true to the originals like I said. There are so many chatacters in new and old canon that may be force users in the universe, but the ones we see on screen represent the overall balance. Even if taking the other force users into consideration, the theme of the film itself is just very close the originals itself.
@K1l, well on screen we see the light with a total of 4 light side users I believe. Luke, rey, Leia and holdo. The dark has 2, kylo and snoke. So there goes that out the window. And yes they did confirm holdo has the ability to use the force and learned under Leia.
@Droppaduse, Neither Leia nor Holdo were that powerful in the force (Laura dern said he character was force sensitive, but not in the same way as the jedi like Snoke and Luke) you’ve only got that on a technicality and it doesn’t change the fact that the theme of film is balance. Even if it’s not on a technicality taking in all the star wars canon, it’s still a theme of the movie, which for me makes it more true to the originals
@K1l, so as long as it has a theme of "balance", which wasn't a theme in ANH (Luke and obi, no one knew of Yoda) , could maybe be in ESB(cause we knew of Yoda emperor Luke and Vader) , and was then lost again in ROJ (Yoda emperor and Vader dies) the only way balance played a part is them needing to find balance within them selfs which in my opinion only rey achieved, then I could see it. But even if I give you that it had balance as a theme the rest of it wasn't true to originals, such as characters and the lessons they learned in the OT were thrown out.
Is this true? Is this a legitimate complaint people have about TLJ?
@Lellow0079, I haven't heard that one, but it wouldn't surprise me. Star Wars fans are some of the most petty and cynical fans out there when it comes to the newer movies. People were pissed about liea pushing herself across space back to safety. even though we have seen the force shoot lighting, use the force to push and pull things, increase physical abilities, Putting one's self conscious into a new body, Invisibility, and TIME TRAVEL. But no the ability to push your self across space? that's dumb and couldn't happen.
@Killing instincts , i wouldnt say its because it "wouldnt happen", but more along the lines of it just being a weird scene. It was just awkward and forcefully overdramatic, not to mention cheesy. But maybe thats just me. Enjoyed the rest of the film, it was just that scene that sat weird with me.
@Killing instincts , my problem with that scene was that it was one of the first times any of the movies showed Leia using the force, and it was kinda cheesy. Like a cliche "oh no, she's dead. No wait, she's got powers that prevent her from dying that were never mentioned or shown before that only she has because she's a main character. And just to pretend like there's any tension, she's in critical condition now, and will show up later, perfectly fine, when the action demands it." Still a great movie tho
@ILikeMacAndCheese, they do mention her powers before. Episode 6 on Endor
@Dubzebub, ig I just don’t see it. It made sense considering her lineage and (to me) was a powerful and emotional scene
@Lellow0079, I wouldn't doubt it there are some people that are that anal. I'm like I'll leave that alone, let's focus on the other glaring issues from TLJ.
Look up this thread if you haven’t it’s amazing
@Ultramatt, but it is an April fools joke btw
I get that part. I guess it what how the special effects were done that were just super weird to me. Again, might be just me on it. I dont hate that scene like most people do though.
If TLJ was an anime people would be complaining Rey is just another cliched OP protagonist
@Sexy Homunculus, they are doing that anyway lol
Does he seriously get death threats?
@AlwaysDownvotesAnime, I wouldn't be surprised, people are dumb, that goes double for fanboys
Your parents set you up to never get souvenirs with your name on them Rian