I know this is politics but George HW Bush was the last of a great generation of presidents. Although he was Republican he was a gentleman and often reached across the aisle to find middle ground with Democrats and pass policies that bettered the country rather than himself and companies that paid him
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, although republican, he was a Republican. Classic. (Not referring to current politics, just either poor wording or pretty clearly biased).
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, He had his lackeys orchestrate a drug deal in front of the White House in order to push a false narrative so he could promote his war on crime, which was more or less just another means of attacking largely black communities. This was merely one of the slimy, disgusting acts George Sr. committed, and we really gotta stop apologizing for these sickos just because they eventually got old and died.
@Berntley, go home man. No one cares what you think.
@HammerOfHerertics, Yeah, You really got nothin, huh? Pretty good example here of current party politics, though. Uncle makes a reach across the aisle type statement, totally respectful, you shît on him. I point out the very clear sinister nature of the beast, and you tell me to leave, because you have no means of refute.
@Berntley, no I tell you to leave because you’re disrespecting a good man, regardless of party during a time where the country is mourning him. How bout you spew your BS sometime else. I could give a shït about Patty politics.
@HammerOfHerertics, great non-response. Brush off people who state facts more, I’m sure that’ll go great
@HammerOfHerertics, No, I just explained that he was not a good man. Getting old and being the same person does not excuse being a monster. Not even in death. We do a disservice to those he hurt by pretending he was some upstanding gentleman. He was a racist, a homophobe, and a warmonger. There’s nothing to mourn.
@Berntley, man. The big three. I wish I could be half the man.
@Berntley, @HammerOfHerertics, guy was a decorated WW2 pilot for the navy, lead the CIA, Vice president and more before he became president..... at the very least recognize him as a veteran. Dude gave more for his country than you and I ever will. shove off
@HammerOfHerertics, Pretty low bar, but it sounds like you’ve got a ways to go, regardless.
@salty joe, Yes, the man was very, VERY dedicated to bloodshed all around the world. So much so that he spent much of his time in office promoting coups and fabricating crises just to satiate his bloodlust. And, I’ve gotta give it to him, because he was damn good at it. A lot of his meddling overseas has resonated forward, even into present day.
@Berntley, I appreciate your passion in your position, however, I believe we as a community would prefer it if you just not have to be so directly hostile on this picture in this app, this is an app most of the community doesn’t like to argue about politics and this is a picture about a veteran and a former president, both of which are largely respected positions. So please take your critiques of Bush Sr. to either a more historical or political platform and not here
@Berntley, as The nOly One said, you should also check the like to dislike ratio on your comments
@Berntley, After reading a lot of your comments on this picture. Yikes.
@The nOly One, If you can tell me that I’m wrong, then sure. If you can explain to me how he was not a warmonger, did not enact policies that targeted the black population, didn’t drum up fear towards homosexuals, then sure, I’ll gladly be on my way. But nobody can. Matter of fact, seems to be what Hammer of Heretics loves about the guy, which means he’s not the kind of guy whose feelings I’m inclined to care about. Are people actually so emotional about it that they can’t have a discussion? I’m really not being hostile, I’m just speaking out against apologetics. He was a villain of a president who, as far as I’m aware, held no regrets for the damage he did. I don’t celebrate his death, but I can’t see how anybody would weep over it.
@Redzone, But am I wrong?
@The Soviet Bear, Likes and dislikes don’t really matter to me, although I am surprised I haven’t yet reached “comment rated too low”, unless I’m just not able to see it because it’s my comment.
@Berntley, no no i can see them, but yaknow, a post about someones death isnt political discourse oppertunity
@Berntley, So if HW was a villain of a president, who would you label a hero?
@jkbrosef, I honestly wouldn’t. Nobody living, anyway. Nobody having anything to do with where modern politics stand. The entire hill is covered with snakes and spiders. There’s hardly a soul in politics that actually has the American people in mind. Both the democrats and republicans have the same goal: stay in office. They’ll say anything they need to in order to accomplish this, and then do anything they can to secure their own well-being while they’re there. They promote war, forgive atrocities, denigrate and disenfranchise the public. Ensure that we’re all just beat down, complacent vote generators who will continue putting our money in their pockets.
@The Soviet Bear, Oh, is it like when there’s a school shooting, and a bunch of kids get murdered, and then everybody says “now’s not the time to talk about gun control. This is a tragedy, let’s not get political”, and then we just keep brushing it off and eventually do nothing about it?
@Berntley, No its like a man dying of old age and someone talking shít on his grave, he did bad but he also did good, like every human being he tried his best for what he believed in, he was from a different time where these thingns were normal, its different now.
@The Soviet Bear, Sorry man. I can’t abide a bigot just because he’s dead. They weren’t different times. He grew up in a time where anybody willing could hold a conversation with a black man or a gay man and come to the understanding that they were just like anybody else. He wasn’t willing. He used his fear of them as a platform. He drove legislation that allowed for their continued suffering. I’m not gonna mourn him just because a majority of the American people at the time mirrored his hate.
@Berntley, Please send some form of proof of your statements, just so i can see your side
@Berntley, “He was a racist, a homophobe, and a warmonger”
Your tired ad hominem has become lazy left-wing politics. Stop acting like you want to have a “discussion”.
@Snarfel Burger, No, he actually was. He used his platform to target black communities, disparage homosexuals, and fabricate crises overseas to promote conquest.
@Berntley, here’s my issue with your discussion. You only want to point out that which was wrong about his presidency. I understand that a lot of whitewashing and covering up happens when discussing presidents and political leaders, but to say he was a “villain of a president” is very misleading especially after some of the good Bush did to a lot of people. He help Poland have their first free election. He was one of the main contributors to the unification of Germany when no other European nation wanted to help. He supported and signed the Americans with Disabilities Act that helped thousands of people with mental or physical disabilities get jobs. Here’s the thing, we cannot only acknowledge the good nor only the bad. We can celebrate the good he did and criticize the bad he did.
@Berntley, Translation: “He started the wars on crime and drugs” (which is incorrect, they started earlier than him and were not meant to target blacks ‘hindsights 20/20’) “Believed in traditional marriage” (who didn’t back then?) “thought you could slow the spread of aids if fewer people were having gay sex” (which is still partially true) “and was not an isolationist” (which he never ran as one)
@AlQaholic, I appreciate you bringing these matters to the table. Yes, those were all good things that occurred under his administration. However, they are also easy bipartisan issues. There was really no agenda to be had there, aside from sweeping up the resonating damage from WWII. I think it’s easy to say that any president would have pushed forward with those agendas. But he really had no reason to act against them, if that makes sense. Especially considering America has had a serious hate on for Russia since forever, and especially in that time. It’s a generations long grudge match that honestly, I wish would end. I hate Russian politics as much as I hate American politics, but seriously, I wish we had a better relationship (that wasn’t steeped in corruption) because the Russian people, as a whole, are seriously such good people.
@Snarfel Burger, I wasn’t trying to imply that he started the drug war. I know it had been going on for some time. But he had his boys lure a black high school student to a park in front of the White House to buy crack, so he could show it on national television, and ramp up the scare factor. And as we know, while the war on drugs was not blatantly a “black people are bad” campaign, it was always just under the surface. You didn’t see a lot of increased police presence in rich or white neighborhoods. You never saw raids on executive business parties, where drugs were easily as prevalent. You saw poor black men stopped on the street, harassed by cops, slammed with ten year sentences, minimum, for sometimes trace amounts. Evidence was planted by cops with their own agendas, because it was an easy fix. Political activist groups (hippies) could be raided at will and shut down. Because everybody had drugs. But the target wasn’t everybody. There’s no excuse for promoting that agenda.
@Snarfel Burger, It was dark politics, but it was crystal clear. Especially to someone in his position. But he wanted more prisons. He wanted more task forces. More free reign to scare political opposition. Just like gerrymandering, the war on drugs served to muffle the black voters. More black men behind bars means fewer black men voting. Tell me I’m wrong. Tell me that’s worth apologizing for.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, I bet you didn’t see your nice tribute turning into a breeding ground for a USA hating commie to feed on downvotes, did ya?
@Berntley, You’re wrong. Lol. Clinton (a democrat) won the next election. There was no conspiracy to suppress the “black vote”. Maybe the exact opposite for the democratic party actually. The reason your theory sounds insane is because it is. We can get into the weeds on policing, but if you still think its some major racist cover up then I have no problem telling you you’re wrong. Gang and drug violence has been a REAL issue in the inner cities, and was really bad back then. Just because its never effected you doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. You can call it racist or call it a coincidence that the majority of the drug violence was in black communities but its still true. Don’t take it out on the cops that actually give a damn about “poor black men” unlike the liberal politicians.
@salty joe, i heard bushes time in the military was a lot less heroic that what he told everyone. He bailed out of a perfectly good plane in world war 2 because he had the yips
@Snarfel Burger, And this is where it comes down to choosing your narrative. You see the numbers of black men in prison, and you choose to accept that criminal behavior must be more prevalent in black communities, full stop. I recognize that it’s just not as simple as that. While I abhor gang violence and illicit drug activity, and yes, I recognize that it’s been an important issue for years, there are still factors to consider, including the ongoing systemic racism and oppression of minority populations. Just like underrepresented third world nations, underrepresented communities are a microcosm of turbulent, self governing principalities, essentially. And that won’t be solved until the people recognize it, and decide its worth doing something about. And part of that would be to look past political showboating and see issues for what they are.
@Snarfel Burger, https://cdn2.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/125/2014/03/8-Watkins.pdf
@The Soviet Bear, https://dcist.com/story/18/12/04/the-inside-story-of-the-lafayette-park-drug-bust-that-george-h-w-bush-used-to-sell-the-war-on-drugs/
The story of him using a high school student to be burned in effigy for his cause should be cause enough to at least reflect on his agenda.
@jkbrosef, Is “everyone I disagree with is a communist” the republican form of “everyone I disagree with is a Nazi”?
@Berntley, And you can’t even consider that maybe, just maybe, its not systemic racism and oppression of minorities. And I don’t know what you mean by it “won’t be solved until the people recognize it” because it seems to me this narrative has been shoved in our faces for years, obviously half the country buys into it and yet you say there is still systemic oppression. Maybe the problem is a little more multifaceted then “racist white pig cop no like poor innocent black man”.
Democrat politicians want black communities to stay in squalor so blacks continue to think they’re oppressed and vote for democrats. All of their policies and philosophies hurt these communities and point to that very reality.
@Berntley, i mean in this case the drugs were actually sold, put focus on a real drug problem, and started a war on drugs which imo can never be half bad, atleast if you just follow the law, this is one incident, i was reading up on this earlier and out of everything he had very little war to deal with in his time, operation desert storm and all i know, but he also tried stopping it again, and about the bigotry, he vetoed a law that would give plaintiffs in supposed discrimination cases in court the advantage, which would be unfair if someone was wrongly accused, they’d have a natural disadvantage, now in ‘91 he passed one that was against discrimination of minorities etc. and even signed a thing that would allow 700k aliens in to the us, reading on it, he did very little bad if you can even call it bad i’d just call it questionable. Also im not gonna argue about this anymore because i can clearly tell just from reading online you picked a few things and made him a horrible person 1/2
@Berntley, for that and i dont think thats right, we should judge someone for the SUM of their life not the SOME, in that category everybody is a bad person through someones eyes. and thats why i dont wanna argue or discuss anymore, have a good day 2/2
@Snarfel Burger, Well, from what you’re saying, the other half of the population vehemently denies it, and what ends up happening is some half ass effort to address the issue, which typically amounts to, as I said, political showboating. And when I say systemic racism, I specifically mean that it doesn’t boil down to just cops. But they can be part of the problem. Not everywhere, not all of them, but there’s enough of them who are out to do real damage, and even more who would rather let it happen than speak up about it. I’m not about to say that democratic politicians are doing a whole lot for the cause. Like I said before, both the left and the right wing are too busy protecting their own careers and working under the table to advance their own interests. So yeah, they pander to the minority populations for more votes, with little interest in actually doing anything about it.
@Berntley, yes, the other half of the country understands “systemic racism” is a modern myth and is a great virtue signal in order to not address real issues like the destruction of the black nuclear family by leftist policies. All the other “examples” of systemic racism are a farce too.
What are the “bad” cops doing? The ones not saying anything probably aren’t seeing anything. I worked for a mid size department for several months and got to know over a hundred cops in my short time there. Not one was as you described, so obviously there was no one for me to come forward and report. Which is probably the trend elsewhere
The democrats aren’t just “disinterested” in the well-being of minority communities. They’re actually actively hurting them. Look at the state of their communities in every big city ran by democrats. I’m not defending Republicans, but the fact that the “R” next to their name apparently stands for racist is laughable.
@The Soviet Bear, I understand, and I won’t expect you to respond. I’m willing to admit that not everything bad that he did was 100% his move. In both the good AND the bad, both administrations take a lot of the credit, and he was more or less the face of it, which is why I’ve come to see the seat of the President largely as a farce. Because those working around him need accountability for what they’re doing, as well, which I feel is improving as time rolls on. But, for him and everyone involved, I still don’t see the good outweighing the bad. If my neighbor gives me a box of chocolates, but then they throw a rock through my window, you wouldn’t try to tell me “but wasn’t it nice that he gave you those chocolates?” There needs to be more accountability for those in power. Not less. I won’t expect you to respond. You take care, as well.
@Berntley, Well its more like getting a pack of chocolates and one is missing, if you look through his entire presidential history (which i recommend) theres loads and loads of good deeds and a couple bads
@Snarfel Burger, Man, I’m telling you I don’t believe it to be a partisan issue. Dems are not objectively good and Reps objectively bad. They’re all self serving pricks, and he minority population is just a battle ground. Don’t throw it at me like I’m standing up for the left. I care about people, not party.
And police engage in shady behavior all the time, and they’ll back each other on it. DUI’s and shît get swept under the rug all the time. They teach their rookies how to plant evidence. They disproportionately target blacks and other minorities, and the justice system as a whole disproportionately convicts more and sentences more harshly with blacks. And that’s not even going into the matter of rampant domestic abuse amongst police officers.
And a lot of this simply doesn’t get talked about for the same reason as I’m being strung up over this discussion. It’s not polite to talk about people in a position of authority in this manner.m, because of what that position as a whole is
@Berntley, meant to represent. Even when those who sit behind that desk or stand behind that badge bring shame to themselves and what they’re supposed to represent, it’s more important to look past that in order to uphold the public symbol it’s supposed to be.
@The Soviet Bear, Or one or more is poisoned. Maybe that one only killed my cousin who came to visit, but most of my family REALLY enjoyed those chocolates.
@TheReflectingGod, he didnt avoid the war tho, like a few other presidents have in the past
@Berntley, yes bernley he did it to punish black people.🙄
@Berntley, berntley that like to dislike ratio tho.
@BlazingBowman, for real, though. This is worse than that time I said people shouldn’t use the n-word.
And really, though, that is oversimplifying a bit. Maybe he didn’t specifically do it to target black communities, but the effects of the drug war at the time were still clear, and he promoted it. He knew what the result would be. And when he closed his eyes and thought “drug dealer”, he pictured a black man. The entire drug scapegoat greatly affected black communities more than anyone else, and its had a ripple effect that has lurched forward even into today’s society.
@Berntley, but did the black man go of his own free will to buy the drugs?
@Berntley, fvck you, you good for nothing, disrespectful, vile, hateful little piece of trash. How dare you you fvcking commie bìtch, may you find some sort of SJW safe space and die in it. Fvck you.
@XxDEMONBANExX, Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this discussion.
@BlazingBowman, Yes, he did. He was lured there by undercover agents or whatever, but yeah, I recognize that he made that choice himself, and I’m not here to apologize for drug dealers. But this is an issue that is much larger than one dude selling crack. It’s a matter of how the drug war had been used already, and continued for some time, in an effort to ramp up police presence and pressure over the black community at large.
@Berntley, how do you know they were targeting black people. Do you have any evidence to support that they specifically looked for a black person?
@BlazingBowman, If you’ll look up at one of my previous replies, there’s a paper that I linked that discusses how the war on drugs disproportionately targeted black communities. Also, I’ve got more than half a fvckin brain cell. It’s not hard to see, except in modern political discourse where context and implications mean squat. A sitting president can talk as much shît on minorities as he likes, but until he outright says he hates them, he’s not considered a racist. Again, drugs were everywhere at the time. Black dudes got hit for it.
@Berntley, aww i see you have no evidence then. Just because a law disproportionately affects a group doesnt mean it was targeting that group. It very well simply couldve been that that black highschooler was the first to bite. Very interesting how you form a world view with such little evidence.
@BlazingBowman, Well, the residential DC population at the time was largely black. Plus, again, the drug war was already a racially driven agenda, just under the surface. This kid’s community was probably already under watch. I mean, they already had ties to him. They were watching him, and knew he was the one to go to, it seems. This really isn’t a difficult thing to understand.
@Berntley, that seems like alot of assumptions. Also why do you think it was a racially driven agenda? And if it was how do you know the agenda wasnt an attempt to help the black community. It seems like youve assumed alot here without any evidence to back it up.
@BlazingBowman, I’ve provided an article that breaks it down. I’ve looked into the matter before, read stories of those who were affected, and generally just paid attention to the dynamics of things. I get that it’s not super popular to make assumptions on things like these, but in my opinion, it’s worse to take these treacherous cowards at their word. Virtually every politician speaks out of both sides of their mouth to protect and serve their own personal interests, and George Sr. was no different. Neither were the clintons, or Jr. or Obama. All are complicit in maintaining the dire status quo amongst the lower castes of our society, and I think it’s foolish to give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
@Berntley, youve read spin stories that manipulate data in order to garner outrage. Like did you know 97 unarmed black people were shot by police prooof of systemic racism. But the reality of the situation is just because they are unarmed doesnt mean they arnt dangerous. The media is just as courrupt as the politicians clicks eqauls money for them. The more outrageous and rage inducing the story the more people look at the more money they make and they are willing to manipulate the facts in order to get that money. Its the same reason the wage gap lie is still being run around. Why people believe 1 in 3 women are raped on college campuses they lie to spark outrage.
@BlazingBowman, Agreed. And I do try to do a bit of legwork when I come across a story. I’ll see a sensational headline and try to look up a more objective source or discussion on the matter. I’m not always able to, but I still try to keep an open mind. However, you can’t claim that you don’t have some cognitive dissonance, as well, that keeps you from even trying to consider my angle. Inflated or sensationalized issues are not inherently fake issues. It’s just up to us to look for the real root cause. And there are extraordinarily deep roots in all of these issues, and anybody who tries to dig them up and show them to us is quickly tamped back down and told “now’s not the time”.
@Berntley, all im saying is the idea that the u.s government just hates black people and gay people is ridiculous. That cops just love going around to lynch them some black people is laughable. The drug war was not intended to hurt the black community.
@Berntley, let me ask you something before i spend the next 20 minutes trying to type that citation into a search bar. What outlet put that out?
@Berntley, Doing research is great and all, but don’t fill the holes of the research with speculation. Stating something you believe as fact leads to dictionary.com’s word of the year. Misinformation. “False information that is spread”. And make sure you don’t contribute to that.
@BlazingBowman, Drugpolicy.org. Why, which outlet would you prefer? Or you can look up John Ehrlichman, domestic policy chief under Nixon. Yeah, apparently the talk of the White House at the time was that the drug war would be a great false front for targeting political opposition like hippies and blacks. Fvckin crazy. Almost the direct opposite of what you said about the drug war never being about hurting the black community
@BlazingBowman, “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
There, I’ll just throw that up there for ya
@Berntley, dont trust mainstream media. Of you had said cnn i wouldve laughed in youre face and dismissed it. Ive seen many a time theyve actively lied to their base.
@Berntley, and who said that who are you quoating. But basically youve just disprooved yourself. As of this line here you are saying they illigialized meth because black people voted a certain way not because theyre racist
@jkbrosef, I’m not trying to, but I also don’t accept that we aren’t allowed to speculate. That’s a sign of complacency, to say “well they didn’t outright say this, so I mustn’t make assumptions”. We didn’t evolve highly complex abilities of free thinking so we could take someone at their word when they piss on our boots and tell us it’s raining. Didn’t your middle school English teacher teach you about reading between the lines? Also, please read the quote from Mr. Ehrlichman below, or above or whatever. I had never heard this quote before, but I came to the same conclusion, nonetheless, because I looked at the information that was present, and connected the dots. It can actually be done.
@Berntley, and even assuming that quote is legit its still not a racist policy. Because other races can still be arrested for meth. But i guess expecting black people to follow the same rules as everyone else is racist. Soft bigotry of low expectations.
@BlazingBowman, That was John Ehrlichman, as I stated. But holy motherfvcking shîtballs. Are you seriously going to continue defending your side on that point? “They weren’t racist. They just hated blacks because blacks didn’t vote for them”. Nothing is racist. Hitler wasn’t racist, David duke isn’t racist, nobody. Racism is just a false flag, and everybody who targets black people or any other minority either physically, verbally, or otherwise, clearly has some motive that has nothing to do with racism at all whatsoever.
@BlazingBowman, besides, the statement doesn’t even say anything about blacks voting. It says anti war left, but then it just says black people. Hippies were targeted because they were against the war. Blacks were just targeted.
@Berntley, who said anything about hating black peope! Jot you or the quote. Even if we assume everything in youre conspiracy is true. It means 2 things that blacks didnt vote for them so they passed laws that they thought would effect black people disporportionatly but still affected EVERYONE! By youre own admission they did not do this because they hated black people. This is not evidence of a white suppremacy. This is not evidence that bush hated black people. This litterally prooves nothing. Youre only problem with it is that you dont expect the same out of blacks as you do every other race. And if you really want to talk about discriminatory laws i could go on about how we litterally have laws on the books blatantly discriminating in favor of black people
@BlazingBowman, So no matter the disproportionate focus on black communities, the war on drugs, which has been described by Nixon’s domestic policy advisor to have been initiated to attack and demonize anti war leftists and black communities, could not possibly be racist, because a handful of white dudes also got nicked for meth? And I’m the closed minded one.
@Berntley, why is a law racist when it effects everyone berntley why can we not expect black people to follow the same laws as everyone else.
@Berntley, yes its not a racist law specifically because it affects everyone. Wanna know a real racist policy discriminating against all races in an attempt to uplift 1. Hows those prefered job hiring in stem and admissions in colleges simply because of the color of a persons skin. Is that evidence a black suppremacy? Its certainly better evidence than what youve laid out.
@BlazingBowman, You mean you could provide me with your twisted spin on civil rights laws? No thanks. The stench of your willful ignorance so far has been nauseating enough.
@Berntley, civil rights laws yeah you already got equal rights enshrined in the constitution. My problem is when people with worse really high scores get picked over for someones with far lower scores simply because they were born the wrong race. Thats what i have a problem with. But see you dont care about that you dont care that an asain kid gets picked over a black kid despite out competing him. It doesnt bother you when discrimination is far more objective and well defined as long as it goes in a way you think is good. But ooh its a racist policy to expect black people to follow the same laws as set by everyone else. Youre worldview man is just soo warped.
@BlazingBowman, I’m not talking about racist law. I’m talking about a racist administration that would enact a sweeping law with the underlying agenda of making sure minority groups were the ones largely affected by it. Just like it says in the text I’ve given you from the domestic policy advisor who was there when they were pushing this agenda. And then, lo and behold, black communities were targeted and largely affected, and this idea was shaped in the public eye that black communities were the central hub of crime across the country, and your parents or grandparents saw this all unfold in the mainstream media, empowering their own racial bias, eventually passing it down to you, for you to now spout your fallacious rhetoric about how civil rights are racist against white people, because now you can’t even refuse to hire somebody on the basis of their skin color or sexual orientation, and you gotta be REAL sure you can trust the company you’re in before you start dropping the n-word
@Berntley, why is it racist to expect black people to follow the same laws as everyone else. You keep skipping over it and making it sound like a big deal but why dont address my question. Is it because it undermines your point. That maybe you're not a victim. That their isnt a cabal of evil white people trying to hold the black man down and that you are responsible for your own failures in life. Just maybe.
@BlazingBowman, Equal rights enshrined in the constitution. The very same constitution under which blacks were held as slaves. The same constitution under which they were segregated from white communities, into under funded schools and districts. The same constitution under which a black man could be dragged to the town center and hung from a tree for looking at a White woman the wrong way. Yeah. Equal rights is and has always been there in that constitution. How has that worked out for blacks all this time? You think all that hasn’t resonated forward with the black community? You think just because we desegregated, suddenly the whole public dynamic was love and acceptance? Those laws were out in place because you still had signs in Windows that said “Now hiring. No n***ers”, and there are still business owners today who would still have those signs posted if they could.
@BlazingBowman, it’s not racist at all. It is, however, racist to take that law and use it to target black communities. Like I said, drugs were everywhere, and the war on drugs could have affected anybody from all walks of life, but how many pot smoking CEO’s do you think got locked up? How many white suburban neighborhoods do you think got raided? The law was sweeping, but the attack was focused. Target black people. Upend their communities. Demonize them in the media. And you’ve fallen for it. Or, it just plays into your personal prejudices, as well.
@Berntley, find it funny how you bring up hundreds of years ago. Blacks were legal slaves until the 14ths ammendment. Yes racists used seperate but equal for a few years until it was decided seperate could not be equal. You know who else were slaves asains. You know who were out into camps in the 40s because they were afraid they were spies. Asains. You know who you are okay with discriminating against based on the color of their skin asains. And yet here they are in this white suppremacist society making more on average than white people. But youre right the evil white mans just been holding you down because this is a racist society even though you get privledges over the other races that you claim hate you so much.
@Berntley, sure it was berntley. Sure it was. Dont worry i believe you the government has a conspiracy against you. They just hate black people and want them to do bad. You cant expect black people to not do drugs. I mean reagon was in the 70s this all went down over 50 years ago and you cant expect black people to learn not to do meth in 50 years. That would be racist.
@Berntley, i know my first reaction to watching my family get destroyed by drugs seeing my father taken away by drugs would be to get into drugs. Theres no way i would think jeez my childhood was destroyed by that sh!t i never want to put my hands on it much less see one again. No the normal human reaction is to grab a syringe and start injecting it into youre arm.
@Berntley, Oh! So by your argument you have no problem with me reading between the lines when I called you a commie? That’s just me using the definition of communist (anti capitalist) and looking at everything you’ve said this entire time. So you can call Bush slimy and I’ll call you a commie! I’m glad we are on the same page 👌
@jkbrosef, Sure! I mean, you’re wrong on every account, including your definition of communist, but at least you’re trying. However, using your powers of critical “thinking” to try and insult someone by your own standards as kind of a far cry from looking past the bullshît and understanding that Bush, as well as his friend and many of his enemies, even, were treacherous, self serving dickbags. But whatever. You wanna ignore the topic at hand, blow by the actual evidence that I’ve shared, a first hand account of how the war on drugs was a false front to excuse crackdowns on people the president doesn’t like, go right ahead. There’s not a rational mind left in this conversation who actually wants to talk about the truth.
@Berntley, so everytime one of these black kids get shot by a cop even though sometimes they were breaking the law or had a weapon they're still angels that never did anything wrong? Everybody's an angel when they die
@Berntley, every president gets involved in everything in every country so y is he the only one that's a monster
@sgc6610, I mean, I don’t think so, but that appears to be the sentiment of the rest of this lot. Have there been cases where black men died in circumstances equal to those which would have prompted an officer to take a white man’s life as well? Hell yeah. Have there been plenty of white men who were unjustly gunned down by police as well? Sure as shît. Are there quite a few cases of good men getting gunned down by trembling cowards with shiny name tags who only had their guns drawn in the first place because the color of the guy’s skin? I have no doubt. Could the false narrative fabricated by policies enacted surrounding the fake war on drugs in order to target black communities have maybe skewed the minds and discourse amongst law enforcement officers to the point that they’re reduced to puddles of piss when face to face with even a remotely agitated black man? And so on, and so forth.
@sgc6610, They’re all monsters, man. Read what I’ve been saying. I don’t apologize for any of them, and I won’t weep when a single one of them dies.
@Berntley, im going to go ahead and accept youre defeat. It was nice thrashing you kid.
@Berntley, For caring about people you seem to really like drawing out discourse on an app for memes
@Berntley, look at any president o this country and you will find them flawed and a part of shady dealings. You will find them pushing party agendas. It's the nature of the beast, unfortunately. To single him out and not mention others is naive at best.
@BlazingBowman, You didn’t defeat shît. I ignored you because you showed no capacity to look through the bullshît of your own tired rhetoric and recognize that the war on drugs, which was not only promoted by Bush Sr., but he even had his goons orchestrate a drug deal that only occurred at his behest, in order to inflate the issue, maybe had a little bit of a racist tinge to it. Especially when I’ve provided a firsthand account about it being specifically ignited in order to disproportionately target black communities. You have nothing to contribute on an intellectual level. You have your bias, and it is steeped in your own personal prejudices. Were you a politician, you would likely push the same agenda for the same reason, and call it fair.
@Exotic Butters, How does calling attention to exploitation and abuse of minority communities serve to contradict my compassion toward others?
@Berntley, there’s so much more wrong with your argument that you are choosing to ignore. It’s not worth it on an app, yet you try to be the scholar among us. Enlighten me about how the earth is flat and Hitler isn’t really dead. Does jet fuel melt steel beams? Is MKUltra still in effect? Should I drink fluoride in water? Hit the books kid.
@Berntley, first of all you didnt proove anything remotely like that. You asserted it. Secondly you have yet to reason out why such a law would be inherently racist even assuming youre conspiracy story and the reasoning behind it was indeed for racist intent, and thirdly you fvcked off because you didnt have a comeback to anything i said. You rediculosly claim that the entire government is racist and only wants to hold black people. In summary youre entire claim is ill thought out to its very core.
@RogueKnight, But I mentioned others. I’ve mentioned Nixon, I’ve recognized that Clinton didn’t do anything to help because once he won, there was no more reason to explore that agenda. I’m very much aware that every president and politician casts a very dark shadow, and I will always do what I can to see what that shadow hides. “Nature of the beast”, indeed. But just because Bush was as much a snake as the others doesn’t mean he gets a pass with death. We’re talking about his legacy. We’re talking about the kind of thing that will be taught to children for years to come. You really want kids to be taught that all presidents are objectively good and did great things all of the time, and therefore shouldn’t be questioned? Because that’s seriously about how it was taught to me, and it took me years to grow the fvck up and look just below the surface at what’s really there.
@BlazingBowman, I mean, you’ve basically indicated that, even if it was specifically established to target black communities and anti war groups, that it wasn’t wrong to do. You’re basically arguing that it is very cool and ok for the president to enact harsher laws and drive an inflated agenda in order to ruin the lives of people he doesn’t like, simply because on paper, it looks fair. Nevermind that, at every level, there was a tilt toward looking more into black and anti war groups and communities, while white neighborhoods went largely unbothered. It’s perfectly alright, because the law wasn’t on their side. The president basically signed mandatory minimums into law, funneled tons of money into law enforcement, and basically said “now go back me some hippies and black guys”, but because they were ultimately breaking the law, it was 100% ok for the administration to loose that beast.
@Berntley, guess I didn't read far enough. But nothing a out Obama's shady dealings?
I would also suggest some of your accusations, such as calling him a warmonger, are more subjective. And without knowing his motivations, are unfair. He was a veteran of a nasty war caused by inaction. Perhaps that is why he was quick to use action. He might simply have been a product of his time.
I don't trust the government as a whole. I believe the system (not necessarily the individuals because some remember) has forgotten it serves us and not the other way around .
@Berntley, Because nobody wants to hear that stuff on a site they open up to lift their spirits. I’ve got nothing against your mission but jesus man, there’s way better places on the internet to get your voice out there and argue over beliefs.
@Berntley, not that it wasnt wrong that it wasnt racist. You can make a statistical decision in order to hinder political opposition. Kind of like the dems and mass migration. And can i ask you something. Real talk here why do you think meth and drugs are just so linked with black people that making it illigal to consume it is tantamount to making it illigal to be black?
@RogueKnight, I’m working on a generous, but still limited, character count. Obama does not get a pass with me. I haven’t looked a whole hell of a lot into his shenanigans, but drone strikes kinda stick out to me as something I find pretty reprehensible. Unfortunately, it’ll be years before the real underbelly of his administration is exposed. But ultimately, I don’t abide people who are just products of their time. He contributed to instability in the Middle East, as it serves US interests, which has been a whole lot of bipartisan fvckery for YEARS. I’m trying to look more closely at those who think they deserve to hold these positions of power, because unless there’s something really particular in it for you, I don’t see why it would appeal to anyone. They’ve gotten too big, and now it’s time for them to fall, and that’s how the public needs to be directing their votes.
@Berntley, unfortunately, many say we need new leaders, but their senators and representatives are the only ones who are okay. I do think the federal government is much larger than it should be or was ever intended to be. Sadly, voting won't help as our leaders will not easily reduce their strength and power.
We are stuck with the bloated system we have built until it collapses, like empires of old.
@Exotic Butters, Mate, I’m not gonna sit here and be told “there’s a time and a place to stand up for what’s right”. Don’t act like I’m the only one who’s gotten political up in here.
@Berntley, you're spending a lot of time and effort on theories that truly don't hold water, though. I think you're reading too much into the drug issues of this country. I think the real answer is less nefarious. And I don't think the drug war was racist. I think, while flawed, the intent was to have a positive result and break / prevent addictions.
@BlazingBowman, Because that was literally stated as being the agenda of the war on drugs. To steer public opinion toward the idea that the drug epidemic was synonymous with the black “epidemic”. “We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities”.
@Berntley, no berntley im questioning why YOU think black people and drug addicts are synonymous. Not why they thought so. Ill get to the illogical parts of assuming that the drug war is why everything that was wrong in the black community was caused by this action in a little bit. But why do you think that black people just cant follow the law.
@RogueKnight, Maybe there were some involved who really thought they were helping. I don’t know if you saw the quote I posted, though. It’s from Nixon’s domestic policy advisor, stating that the clear and specific intent for firing up the war on drugs was to disrupt black communities and anti war liberal groups, and to demonize them in the public eye. This is something I plan to look more into, but like I said, on the topic of inference and context, this is something that was clear to me anyway.
And yeah, I know that voting is going to continue to be the downfall of the American political system unless many, many more voters wake up and look outside party lines, and it’s much more likely that things will end in collapse and probably Revolution. I was just trying to avoid looking any more apocalyptic.
@BlazingBowman, Because of a bunch of socioeconomic factors that you’re gonna tell me are totally made up and irrelevant. And this doesn’t mean that I don’t think people should be held responsible for their own actions. However, I do work first hand with drug addicts and the mentally ill, and there’s really just a lot more factors in play than just “if you do the crime, you serve the time”, and it goes straight back to the downtrodden American population being used largely as scapegoats and political pawns. And I really would love to further this discussion, but we’re opening up a whole new can of worms, and I actually have a lot of plans tonight. I’ll be happy to read what you have to say, but I’m about to be on the road, so won’t be able to respond. Peace out, man.
@Berntley, k then peace. I dont think black people are scapegoats to anything especially nowadays when a black guy can rob a store charge a cop get shot and have an entire nation outraged that he was killed.
@Berntley, don't get me wrong I don't like the cops at all but the idea that they go out every night just to target blacks is ridiculous and as for the war on drugs I'm from Staten Island which is pretty much pill capital and trust me white guys r targeted and harassed by the cops plenty idk any of my friends that weren't stopped and harassed at least once one of my friends got dragged outta his car and beaten they broke his ribs and a couple of fingers and guess what he's white so the cops r just pieces of sh t that hate everyone
@sgc6610, First of all, we aren’t talking about right now. We are talking about the start and the height of the drug war, which I’ve provided first hand account of the fact that it was started for the sole purpose of attacking groups of people that the president didn’t like, primarily blacks.
Second, your one dude getting beat up by cops is not proof that there is no racism in the force. That’s fallacious, and you know it. It’s still very well known that black people are disproportionately targeted by police, and they still have a higher rate of conviction with harsher sentencing that white people who have committed equal or even worse crimes. This is a known dynamic, that apparently some people won’t recognize until only 100% of arrests are of black people.
@Berntley, all I'm saying is out of all the blacks and whites I know almost every white guy has had at least 1 or 2 bad interactions with police some of the black guys too but not all
@sgc6610, And of all the people I know, pretty much none of them have ever been roughed up by the police, but because I can look outside my own life and personal circle, I’m able to recognize that there’s more to it than just my own first and secondhand experiences. I’m with you that police brutality is a raceless issue overall. They’re authoritarian dickbags who think they’re above the law, but to say that there’s no race related matters that need tending to at the same time is outright ignorant. In the public eye, as well as the police, people are just more on alert when they’re in the presence of an unknown black man, as opposed to white, and this leads to more calls to dispatch, more police encounters over minor issues, some that escalate, some that end in death. This of course feeds into the generations old dynamic amongst black communities that police are the enemy, and why wouldn’t it, when the police force has been used as a pointed tool to keep the black communities afraid?
@HammerOfHerertics, it’s definitely poor wording. He meant that Although Bush was a Republican, he still found middle ground with Democrats to pass beneficial policy. Or at least that’s my interpretation
@MagnumSizedDong, name and shame. Who downvoted.
@TheyCallMeTaterSalad, probably that berntley guy
@The nOly One, no matter your politics that guy's a bit of a cunt.
@TheyCallMeTaterSalad, "a bit"
@TheyCallMeTaterSalad, no no some random person..
@MagnumSizedDong, WELL FVCK HIM TOO THEN. WE'RE ON A BABY HUNT AND DONT THINK WE DONT KNOW HOW TO WEEEEEEED EM OUT
@MagnumSizedDong, that one’s also a cûnt. Comes and and downvotes everything then disappears for awhile.
@The nOly One, Nope, not I. I actually don’t downvote very often. Even when I disagree, unless someone is being downright inflammatory. Hashtag wholesome doesn’t hurt anybody. I also didn’t downvote Uncle or Hammer up there.
It looks like hes talking but I cant Read his lips
Your political feelings aside, I think it's good to salute the good people in this world who tried to make it a better place
@PassengerPenguin, Absolutely. If you see any, you let me know.
@Berntley, I'd love to know what your contributions to this world have been
@salty joe, No you wouldn’t. You’d love to hear that I work as a barista at Starbucks with a liberal arts degree. Alas, I am but a lowly community support worker for my local mental health agency. All I do is tend to those in my community with mental illness, helping them keep up on their health appointments, making sure they get the medications they need, taking them to the store for groceries, providing emotional support when it’s needed, and making sure they’re able to maintain an independent lifestyle rather than being institutionalized or out on the street. Unfortunately, I don’t have much to contribute in the way of promoting war and instability overseas or targeting minority groups on a massive scale.
Me crying?..Damn right I am
Im not aware of the context but i have an idea, can someone clarify for me tho
@abelgray, Supposed to be George Bush Sr. arriving in the afterlife, but I gotta say, that’s not how I typically picture Hell
@abelgray, Oh, and for some reason the little girl from Clifford is there.
@Berntley, i got that part im asking about the ones who welcomed him
@abelgray, yeah who is the blonde one?
@abelgray, One would be Barbara, I believe. No clue about the little girl.
@Berntley, that is George Sr. and Barbara's daughter (George W Bush's younger sister) who died early in her childhood
@abelgray, Oh. Apparently they had a three year old daughter who passed away.
@Berntley, thank you, i didnt want to be right sadly
@Berntley, it’s his 3 year old daughter that died of leukemia
@Berntley, you're a real prick.
@fivefingerdeathmunch, Admittedly, if I’d known about his daughter, I may have bit my tongue on this one, as it was meant to be just a little quip. Losing a child is always sad, I don’t care the circumstances, and yes, even bad men feel that one.
@Berntley, I highly doubt your tongue has any scars.
@CynicalSirr, I actually don’t talk much, but no, when I’ve got something to say, I’m not one to mince words.
Guys i know this has nothing to do with the meme but i need some advice me and a friend of my friend was planing to go to a convention for a month the convention is this sunday and i just asked if he was gonna come this morning he said yes and i bouth the tickets and he just bailed on 5 mins ago i dunno what to do
@mrdoggo, yikes. What kind of convention? Do you have any other friends? If the convention means a lot to you you should go anyways. If it was just a reason to hangout with your friend, then sell the tickets and move on
@Genesis Rhapsodos , its a gaming convention i asked another friend he didnt respond yet i am gonna go either way but just feel bad about him bailing on me but ill move thanks for the advice
@mrdoggo, thats pretty shjtty of them to bail on you last minute, but I hope you have fun regardless
@Genesis Rhapsodos , thank you
@mrdoggo, you should still go, and take pics and have loads of fun. You don't need others to validate your happiness my dude, if you like gaming, go have fun at a gaming convention! Hope you have a great time!
@mrdoggo, sorry to hear, whatever happens don’t let it bother you from having a good time. If you go by your self or with another buddy, once you get there try to forget all the complications and have fun. I’ve ruined my own good time fretting over little things that can’t be changed
I wonder if all the people he let die of aids will be waiting for him too. Rlly dinks u dink
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They waited? Did they have some other place to go?
@Truthcat, i think its saying they waited at the gates for him, instead of going on inside.