Real life Tony Stark
And where do these economic geniuses think that $90B went?
He didn’t burn it; he spent it! That means people got paid for products and services related to producing the rocket and making it go.
He gave that money away to working class people in exchange for services hat he doesn’t even really need.
Go sit on your sickle and hammer, commie scum.
@EatMyAss, people need to stop forgetting this. Similar to when people complain about movie budgets. Did you not see the credits?
@EatMyAss, while i agree that elon musk invests money back into businesses. Most businesses invest in machines that will put people out of work or do stock buybacks which will only enrich people that are already rich (note this does not create jobs). Also companies will give one time bonuses which were already planned, not permanent raises. I could go on but ultimately we are in a demand economy and for a demand economy to function people need to have purchasing power. How do you get more purchasing power? By giving people money that wont save it or put it back into the economy (aka the super rich). But this picture misses the point and is short sighted.
@Implicit88, it’s half and half in the manufacturing world. I work in a machine shop that has made parts for space x and in the aerospace industry there is no replacement for people. Maybe cheaper labor but to hold the tolerances for the parts requires experienced machinists, then quality to verify it, buying raw material from certified mills, processing houses for coating and paint, non destructive testing. There’s a lot of labor and services involved and money to pay for those for skills
@karibeson, no joke, just sitting waiting for the post credits scenes in marvel movies the sheer mass of people employed for 1 movie is incredible
@megamanx181x, agreed but those kinds of jobs are very limited. I do accounting in the manufacturing world and i have seem machines that are able to unload trucks store pallets, retrieve them, disassemble them load them into the machine. A person in only needed for verification.
@Implicit88, there is no stopping the progress of technology. Automation is going to happen whether we fight it or not. We are approaching a new age and we can adapt with it and thrive or get pulled through it kicking and screaming.
@megamanx181x, it’s the unskilled factory work that is going to become more and more automated, not the skilled engineering jobs.
@karibeson, while I agree with your comment, they should have just given the 300 million budget of John Carter to charity as even the focus groups said it would tank
@karibeson, who watches credits lol
@EatMyAss, $90 'M'
@Implicit88, loading perspective sure but I mean really depends what a#you are among. One-off parts require special handling and custom crates to load manually by hand, forklift drivers, shipping personal to use packaging material. I think you are working in only one small area that has some automation, you can remove the human aspect of machining. What you can lose is work going to another shop out of state.
@I Are Lebo, I agree with that it just seems the original subject has to Dow it’s space x which aerospace machining in general will never be automated. Trust me most engineers like myself are expendable cause we can’t run a machine.
@megamanx181x, most workers in general are expendable. There’s more people than jobs.
@Implicit88, couple questions.
How many poor people have hired you?
Are Machines not bought from another company that has to pay people to build the machines, who pay people to buy the materials, who pay people to mine the materials etc etc etc?
If he did not invest in building something, and innovating, would any employees anywhere have gained anything?
@megamanx181x, may I ask where you work? I work as the engineer at a machine shop in central California and we are the only shop on the area that can hold close tolerances. We have has a very hard time finding qualified people. It seems to me that the skills are dying off, at least in my area.
@LeRon James, I work as a quality engineer in Los Angeles. Location is probably one of the bigger reasons why it’s hard to find machinists in general. California is expensive to live in and a bunch of them live out in the sticks to afford homes while traveling 30-40 miles for work. Also the next generation of machinists are slowing down as well.
@big freedom, i am not arguing against innovation. I am arguing against a redistribution of wealth from the leas fortunate to the more fortunate. Its unsustainable and the reason many civilizations have fallen before us
@I Are Lebo, i agree there is no stop. However we shouldnt punish the working class for the sake of innovation. If the working class losses all there buying power the economy will fail.
@Implicit88, yes. We need to widen the tax base so everyone has a stake in the game. We keep the class-warfare going while the rich literally write the laws (through their bought and paid for senators) that keep their companies getting more and more power.
Stop pretending that one side (R’s or D’s) are good and the other side is bad. They are both bad and you should hold them both accountable for every law they pass.
@big freedom, i am not saying dem or reps are better both are corrupt and as far as i am concerned even a little corruption is bad. That is why i am only supporting congress members that dont take corporate money and want to repeal corporations "personhood" status.
@big freedom, the current theft of wealth from future generations is obscene in the worst way. Yet we continue to demand $1.10 worth of government, but only willing to pay $0.88
So we pass all the debt to the next generation. It’s fûcked up beyond belief. We will fail as a nation because of it.
@karibeson, you made a good point, but remember that the people involved in movies are not paid equally. The majority of a films budget goes to advertising, and the next largest shares tend to go to only a handful of the people involved.
@Implicit88, it’s not about punishment. It’s economics. There are more people than jobs, and the real blame I place on corporate entities pushing consumerism this hard. But regardless of the cause, the only true solution to this problem would be to move to a post scarcity society, and we aren’t there yet.
@I Are Lebo, we could easily get to a post scarcity society if we truly wanted to but people will cry socialism. We could literally power the usa via renewable energy and battery storage (or other forms of energy storage). California on its own produces a load of food. However, a more near term solution would be to give people jobs using tax money. People are already receiving this money, so why not just require them to help out. In addition, we really need to increase buying power as that will create the most jobs since it will make all businesses need to hire to meet demand
@Implicit88, what you are describing is not post scarcity, it’s burdening one group with providing the sustenance for all. That’s fiefdom, not post scarcity or socialism.
Post scarcity would be to have infinitely sustainable energy (wind and solar does not come anywhere near meeting the requirements) as well as a completely self running grow-op providing enough food to feed a surplus to every citizen.
We have reached neither point. A lot of people bring up the point about the food wastage in the USA being able to solve famine overseas, but these people are not pragmatic. There is no viable cost effective way to transport this food.
@I Are Lebo, oh yeah, I never said the pay distribution was fair lol, just that people got paid. Like you said, a majority goes to marketing and I’m sure the next is the talent.
@karibeson, it’s more about the names that bring value to the project than the talent. Usually that’s actors but sometimes it’s directors.
@I Are Lebo, my thoughts exactly. I now realize this is unnecessary because of the upvote. Silly me.
@EatMyAss, you just made me orgasm
So far I like where Elon Musk is going with things. I mean did we not just embark on the next space race?!
@CrazyCrichton , to be clear, I realize it's expensive and I'm sure it has its cons. I'm just saying I like the idea of space travel and a few other things he has mentioned.
I seriously despise these kind of self righteous, small minded, mental midgets who, always find it reprehensible that somebody would dare spend money on anything other than charity. They are only looking for someone pat them on the back for looking so concerned about the strife of others when in reality, they are simply envious that someone else has something they desire so much.
@anal muffin, yep. ignoring the fact that poverty isn't a "$90M fix", this original poster just wants attention.
considering the circumstances of this bottom-tier meme, he got what he wanted :[
It should be illegal to criticize Elon Musk. He is a science god much like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. His will be the drill to pierce the heavens
@killer memestar, don't forget to nuke Mars
@killer memestar, neil degrasse tyson is a douche
@killer memestar, bill nye is an engineer
@killer memestar, and elon isn't even a scientist
@killer memestar, everyone praises Elon but he has not shown the benefits of the reusable rockets. Yes impressive that he landed one but he has not actually reused any rocket meaning we cant trust him that it is reusable. Also there are downsides to reusable rockets such as reduced payload weight. Many of Elons other science projects will never be practical. He is just a guy spending lots of cash not doing much but building hype for many things that will never happen.
@Poland S T R O N G, that is true, but if you look at the history of technology that is exactly how progress is made, we wouldnt have many things if it werent for eccentric inventors making hundreds of things that might never work just to find 1 thing that will.
@killer memestar, you should always be allowed to criticize, just do so responsibly and critically.
@killer memestar, while I agree with your statement about elon musk, I find it ironic that you compare him to neil and bill, two of the biggest wankers within science
@Poland S T R O N G, amazing. Everything you said is wrong. They have launched rockets that have already been launched then landed. Just because YOU don’t see the benefit, does not mean it doesn’t exist.
@big freedom, the engine was reused not the entire thing. Also they have not saved any money. NASA reused the space shuttle many times but the refurbishment cost out weighted the use. Although the flacon 9 is not as complex and will be easier to get back into order they still payed to much. We'll have to see how Elon makes a initial cost to save money down the road.
@Poland S T R O N G, omfg. You don’t understand anything about rocketry. The engine is the effing rocket. The space shuttle was payload that needed the rocket to get into orbit. Without it, it was just a cool looking plane.
The ability to reuse the launch engine (rocket) completely changes the cost of launching payloads into space.
Just because you don’t understand it, does not make it less valuable.
@big freedom, but it has not saved any money at the moment
@Poland S T R O N G, aaaand? Do you know how long it took Amazon to make a profit? Companies put A LOT into investing knowing that it will take years to see a return.
Just because you don’t understand business doesn’t mean that profits need to be instantaneous.
Besides. It's his money, he can do whatever the F he wants with it.
Edit: I didn't know it was in taxpayer money. Sorry, I was just copying what I heard from the H3H3 podcast. I'll go sit in the dunce chair now.
@Sam da ram, um, it’s federal grant money he is spending. All he knows is how to scam for money. If you’re going to give him credit, use that.
@Sam da ram, it's taxpayer money. He's received over 5 billion in government subsidies for spaceX and Tesla.
I don't disagree with the picture but I just felt like being that guy tonight. You know, the annoying one who corrects people?
@Hoopscallion, just saying the govt throwing it out there because they effed up at NASA
Steering clear of all the politics. But I️ just want to ask, how does a single passenger vehicle test the payload capacity of the falcon heavy?
@J Boogie, Well it both does and doesn't. On most first flights for rockets there is a massive chance of exploding. Because of that the techies tend to avoid putting anything of value into the cargo holds. However you can't shoot a completely empty rocket, it will function differently, nor can you shoot it completely full, it costs far more fuel to test and leads to bigger explosions and debris. So, you go for a nice middle ground for testing cargo weight distribution reaction in the systems and in this case, toss in a car to massively drum up free publicity. That is how the car ends up 'soft' testing the payload capacity of a falcon heavy.
They still need to pay higher taxes
And for every Elon Musk there are ten billionaires wasting money on cross shaped swimming pools to thank Jeebus for making them rich.
Because they hire idiots like you.
I suppose they expected him to not advance the newest space program@with more potential than NASA, and instead write blank checks to people who are considered “in poverty” because they would make less money working a 9-5 than working the welfare system.
Every idiot on funnypics turns into a scholar when reminded we need to tax the rich.
So... does the critic know where we can get supper cheap ROCKETS? I imagine they can be bought in bulk from 1 person who makes ROCKETS.
Did I mention we’re dealing with ROCKETS? Space travel? An industry that requires paying for countless staff at different, expensive rates because you need to buy; materials, manufacture experimental parts, produce fuel, spend time (thus money, only calculations for testing experimental rockets).
I’D SAY IT NOT ROCKET SCIENCE THAT THIS IS EXPENSIVE BUT IT ACTUALLY FVCKING IS!
@Sambob, I mean it's not like if you cheap out and go with lowest bidder parts anythings gonna, explode, or anything