Why do people hate the gaming community? Politicians hate us, internet bloggers hate us, the white soccer mom Karen hates us, and ea hates us
Ok, people have to realize that this isn’t a real argument by this point, right?..... Right? That’s like saying “well violence was around before people started drinking liquor, therefore alcohol has never ever lead to increased aggression ever”. Now nobody hates to admit this as much as I, a frequent violent video game player, do but it’s pretty agreed upon in the psychological community that people who regularly consume violent content are more likely to perform aggressive behaviours. It’s not exactly a new concept either.
@Fuggles, weren’t there studies by the psychological community that that was false? And it all came down to just crappy parenting
@Richard Cypher, nah. Observational learning/operant conditioning is pretty certain on the matter. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s not gonna be like a “oh a kid shot someone in GTA, now they’re gonna shoot up their school” sort of situation, but kids who consume more violent media (of all types) tend to display more aggressive behaviours.
@Fuggles, I'm pretty sure studies have actually found the reverse to be true, that being that violent video games actually serve as an outlet for aggression rather than being a cause of it. Which makes sense, because the average person is able to tell fantasy from reality, and as such realizes that it's better to let it out in a consequence free environment than it is to do so in the real world. I'm fairly certain that studies have also shown them to help with stress.
I'd also note that I never hear anyone say anything like this about songs, movies, tv shows, or books that have violent themes. And I'd like to say that I don't believe that it's impossible for violent media to influence the occurrence of violent tendencies in people, so long as those people are too young to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, thus making it the parents' fault and not the violent media's.
@Marida Cruz, i actually did a research project on this a few years ago and even back then they said there is no clear link between aggressive behavior and violent video games. Its just that some people are disposed to violent behaviors because of many other environmental and, yes, even hereditary factors. Humans came from warring clans of wandering nomads, it can be said we literally came from violence. Its almost in our nature, but no this new thing thats only been around for a few decades is what makes people violent... not the entirety of humanity's past, which is what i speculate to be the biggest factor
@Fuggles, Adam ruins everything. Enough said.
@blind, I wouldn't trust that show too much. And wouldn't it also make sense that people who have violent tendencies would gravitate towards violent content? Also since video games have become available violent crime have gone down, but I will admit that Correlation does not necessarily mean Causation.
@KingRothtar, I've been playing resident evil since I was 7 and mortal kombat since it came out, and I'm the least violent person. Parents just want an excuse to use instead of blaming themselves.
@blind, haha I played Diablo and Doom from around that age as well. I think personally it is parenting, my parents played with me at time or had me watch them play and they made sure I knew the difference between fantasy and real life. I mean "If" violent content makes you violent then you would think all the people that play Chaotic DandD characters must be violent too right?
@KingRothtar, the most violent!
@Fuggles, pretty sure that viewpoint has been updated in recent years - the psych community on my campus widely regards video games to be non-factors when assessing any type of potential future violent behaviors, I believe it was explained as correlation and not causation (similar to old stigma about marijuana being a gateway substance)
@Marida Cruz, from what I’ve heard, “outlets” don’t actually work. That whole theory came from some bastardized watered down version of Freuds theory of Catharsis which is based on “venting” and “getting things out of your system” and we now know is hella wrong.
I would like to say that the increase in aggressive behaviours I’ve been referring to is seen in kids who consumed many types of violent content, it isn’t strictly related to video games, so it applies to things like violent tv and movies and stuff as well.
@blind, “my grandmother smoked cigarettes her entire life and she lived to the old age of 95, therefore cigarettes aren’t bad for you”
@Fuggles, as you said, it occurs in kids, who are incapable of buying violent games, books, or movies themselves, and who are too young to tell fantasy from reality. This also shows that, as I said, it is likely a result of poor parenting and not the fault of the violent media itself. The people who originally claimed violent media to cause violence in the first place were parents who were upset about content of the clearly labeled games that they knowingly purchased for their children. You'll find that studies also show parents are almost always unwilling to admit that they themselves are the ones in the wrong, and that they believe other people are the ones responsible for their child's failings, not them.
@Marida Cruz, every generation picks a new recreation to vilify and explain violent outbursts. It’s been blamed on cartoons as well as comic books in the past. Personally, I think it’s brought on by people not taking responsibility in a child’s upbringing. Poor parenting leads to poorly adjusted children and then adults.
@Fuggles, I’m only going to say this once, if your kid can’t understand the difference between consumer entertainment and real life, then there is much more than the video game to blame. If I read Edgar Allen Poe and then chop up a grandpa and stuff his dismembered corpse under the floorboards, then I’m an absolute, unhinged lunatic and Poe is a genius writer.
Smoking literally can be proven to be bad for you as it isn’t just correlation, cigarette smoke, either directly administered or through second hand, has been scientifically proven through chemical mechanisms to destroy the lungs and have adverse effects on your body. Video games and TV do have adverse effects on the human body, like eye strain, but violence has nothing to do with it.
@airguitarpro, I’m going to assume you have no background in any sort of psychology and then completely discount your comment, because it is clear you have no real understanding of the field.
@Fuggles, Oof, my friend, I’ll tell you a quick psychology fact that someone as well versed in the science as you should understand: correlation does not equal causation, and you, my friend, have been assuming (incorrectly) that it does. Maybe next time, show a bit more humility in your demeanor, because you’ve come across as a self-appointed seer, but your comments come across as blatantly ignorant in this field. As @Marida Cruz has already debunked your diatribe, I see no real reason to continue this clearly one sided conversation. Goodnight.
@airguitarpro, you do realize that longitudinal, controlled studies have been conducted on the matter, and they’ve come up in my favour. So this isn’t correlation and your kicker of an argument is meaningless. Unless of course the several psychology textbooks I hold in my hands on the matter are ALL lying. Though if you wish to go to bed, I won’t try to stop you as there isn’t much you can say that will make me believe you’re more of an expert on the matter than the respected psychologists who have all told me you’re wrong.
@Fuggles, You shouldn’t try to debate this idea with self-described gamers because they already accept the answer they want to be true and then work back from there, instead of facts first. Need more unbiased research.
The argument that its just “bad parents” looking for someone to blame, is partially true, because the fact a parent would let there young kid play some of those games kinda makes them a bad parent. I don’t see how they can consider some of the games out there as “stress relief”. I used to have to take breaks as a kid cause I noticed how frustrated I was getting when I couldn’t beat a “boss”.
Someone made a good point to me one time. If media and visual images couldn’t influence people’s actions at all then advertisers would not spend literally billions of dollars to try and sell their product. Obviously it works, whether we “feel” like it does or not.
@Fuggles, total violence is way lower with each subsequent generation. There is literally no evidence suggesting video games cause violence. As for your assumption that more violent content means an increase in violent behavior, the two may clearly be correlation but to jump to a causation conclusion would need a ton of merit. One must not also forget the social impact of society and of ones environment outside of the aggressive behaviors.
@Snarfel Burger, if violent games were causation for violent behavior we would easily see an exponential increase in violent crime. Yet total violent time has gone down since the invention of games. There is also a difference between an advertisement and i game, but i would agree that advertisement can influence a lot of people, its actually effective in a lot of areas, but this is actually fading among the new demographics, partly because of the increase in information.
@tard in space, there’s been a couple studies the past 2 years showing a relationship between violent video games/tv and violent behavior- and I’d be inclined to believe it when you think about how impressionable people are in general.
It essentially normalizes the behavior according to the study.
To be honest it should be kind of obvious that humans are influenced by games and shows, otherwise companies wouldn’t spend so much money on advertising- look at how successful the Marlboro ads were in getting people to smoke
@Fuggles, phycology textbooks are really outdated. One topic is something like depression, it is categorized as a mental imbalance but new research has shown its not a chemical imbalance and more of a social expectation vs personal complex.
@ajr12100, also I believe the APA does consider violent games a risk factor for aggressive behavior
@Implicit88, you do realize that that argument doesn’t work right? The whole “well our society is getting less aggressive, therefore nothing causes aggression” thing is silly. It’s like saying “well meth is a new drug, and lifespans have increased since it’s creation, so therefore meth isn’t bad for you.”
As well, the jump from correlation to causation is actually really easy to make. All you need to do is set up a design where you manipulate the variables and have a control and Bam! You can assume causation. It’s actually very easy, and is what psychologists have done with longitudinal studies to determine the causal link between violent media and aggressive behaviours.
@Fuggles, a controlled study is extremely hard. You would have to start with a group of individuals with the same exact personality then control every attribute of human life. It cant be done in a humane way. Every aspect of someones life cant be controlled. Plus there would need to be at least a double blind study done. My example is basically a counter to yours. If cause x increases y, but x increases and y decreases there are other factors at play.
@Implicit88, if you have a large enough sample you don’t need to control for every single personality type as it is assumed that your sample size will do it for you.
The loss of overall aggression is pretty simply due to advancing in society. It’s a pretty common theme that the more developed a country gets, the more civil its people become. Nobody is saying that violent media is causing our society to regress and be more aggressive than it was, say 100 years ago, we’re saying that if you have two identical kids and you sit one kid down in front of graphically violent content for hours every week and the other in front of yarn documentaries, the one who watched violence is going to show more aggressive behaviours than the other.
@Fuggles, idk man, id be pretty pissed if i had to watch something about yarn for a couple hours
(Only said this for comic relief)
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that there is no causation between the two.
*Game of thrones spoiler*
Jk I'm not gonna ruin anything
I mean either way I don't really care if it does or doesn't. I know that sounds harsh but when I get a beer at a bar I don't feel guilty that some people are alcoholics, or if I treat myself to a bowl of ice cream I don't feel like I'm making anybody else diabetic.