

So here's the deal guys. There are more than two genders. How? Well, like this. When a human is born, there are 2 things that make up their sexual identity. 1st: their physical sex. in the scientific community, there are 4 physical sexes; if you have a penıs, vagına, neither, or both. the 2nd part is your gender; gender is how you sexually identify yourself, and yes it is a spectrum. I don't agree with people who try to identify as a different race or a non-human entity, but there are over 20 possible genders a person can identify with. get educated y'all.
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@Bender B, your claims are based on bogus science that is not peer reviewed, look it up. The fact that there is 95% correlation with physical sex and what you call sexuality shows that people who identify as something else are highly likely to have hormonal or psychological problems, NOT that there are more genders out there.
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@Bender B, I didn't say the WHO was bogus, although they've made the mistake to accept certain psychological research as science. What is bogus is the research on gender identity. It is all psychological research, thus why people say gender is a "social construct". But certain psychology research is different from scientific research, as they don't conduct peer reviews, testing, and trials. Phd psychologists can post papers and reach conclusions on gender without any kind of scientific scrutiny. Look them up, no one cites those papers! This is irresponsible and wrong, as they mislead people who are transgender or believe themselves to be something else... now Suicide rates among transgender people remain just as high or get even higher after surgery and hormone treatments, which shows the problem goes deeper than just acceptance from others. Waiting for your reply
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All this talk about him selling out or whatever going around, but he's shown himself to be a staunch advocate for proper science, and making claims based on unsubstantiated scientific evidence would be undermining everything he's stood for in the past, I'm sure there's stuff out there that supports what he says about this stuff at least to some degree, don't be so quick to dismiss it just because it sounds dumb to you and everyone else does it. Let the downvotes commence.
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@YUNoJump, yeah but he knows next to nothing about climate change and that's another thing he's been advocating a lot for. He was explaining blizzards or something to someone once and then later actual climate scientists basically said "leave the climate science to us" because he got almost everything wrong in his explanation. So he doesn't know everything about the subjects he advocates for is my point
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@Dexios S Divine, I'm trying to find the article I saw it in but all of Google is filled with that climate change denier yelling at him so I can't find it. And also that mentality is why a lot of people agree. Bill hasn't actually done science in like 20 or 30 years first off, secondly too many people are of the mindset where "Oh Bill Nye is right about this" and don't check what he says. Now, yes he says correct things a out physics and such but he is not a climate scientist, and he's acting like one nor is he a scientist at all. (I'm an engineer I can say we're not scientists)
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@Thatbright, "Engineering is the art of applying scientific and mathematical principles, experience, judgement, and common sense to make things that benefit people". A scientist is "a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences." I would assume that since an engineer applies scientific knowledge to do their job, they likely have expert knowledge in the physical science field, which by definition, makes you a scientist
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@airguitarpro, I get that but I'm saying he talks as if he is doing the actual science, but he is a mechanical engineer and he hasn't even practice in 20 or more years. If anyone else had those credentials and was doing the stuff he was we would be shunning them for speaking for things they don't know about
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There is no legitimate scientific evidence that alternative genders exist. In fact, it all points to there being two, male and female (including trans people because gender dysphoria is a real thing, however they are the opposite gender of their birth gender, not woman turned Viking longship or whatever)
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@Sven and Otar, the fact that you aren't anti-trans at least means you have some non-partisan in you, so I applaud that. Now the way I see it, we just let people call themselves what they want. Just not give them special rights, just let them be. Going around yelling "2 genders" won't accomplish anything with people who have already decided they're non-binary.
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@Welcommatt, I'm a social-libertarian, I have no issue with people doing whatever they want in their private lives, but demanding legitimate recognition when there's no evidence, the building of new bathrooms and accommodations, passing laws that can fine someone thousands of dollars for misgendering someone (NYC for example), and attempting to slander/censor people for being skeptical among other things is where I draw the line.
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@Sven and Otar, check the description. Your physical SEX is not a spectrum, you either have a penıs, vagına, both or neither. Gender is the psychological part and it is indeed a spectrum. Sexuality is the 3rd aspect and it is based on your sex, your gender, plus who you wanna bang. Stop being so close minded.
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@Bender B, believe it or not I was a Laci Green subscriber and took gender studies once upon a time. The only field where people say that gender is a spectrum is in gender studies, no other social science actually recognizes alternative genders (sociology/psychology). Behaving more masculine or feminine than the norm for your gender doesn't necessarily mean you're not female or male. It is a binary and it's a gradient within the binary, no compelling evidence has come out to prove otherwise.
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@Sven and Otar, @Uranusisbig http://web.archive.org/web/20170130022356/http://apps.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/ That's an article from the world health organization http://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/hip/us/hip_us_pearsonhighered/samplechapter/0132448300.pdf That is a link to a sociology article about gender http://people.virginia.edu/~ser6f/udry.pdf That is a link to a 1994 article about gender. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender That is a link to the Wikipedia page detailing how the difference in gender and sex came to be, first proposed by John Money in 1955. @Uranusisbig here are your fact checked, peer reviewed, non bogus sources.
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@Sven and Otar, "The social sciences have a branch devoted to gender studies. Other sciences, such as sexology and neuroscience, are also interested in the subject. While the social sciences sometimes approach gender as a social construct, and gender studies particularly do, research in the natural sciences investigates whether biological differences in males and females influence the development of gender in humans; both inform debate about how far biological differences influence the formation of gender identity. In the English literature, there is also a trichotomy between biological sex, psychological gender, and social gender role. This framework first appeared in a paper on transsexualism in 1978"
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@Bender B, additionally, while this isn't the best argument for my point, why should I accept that gender is a gradient when less than .4% of people identify as alternative to the male female binary? Even being gracious and bumping them up to 1% if it's just people afraid to come out or whatever, shouldn't we see a larger number than that if it truly is a gradient? Shouldn't we expect to see some kind of bell curve(s) centered around classical male and female with alternative genders falling off in popularity on either side of the bell-curve?
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@Sven and Otar, I'm confused as to what you are trying to say. Are you saying that because only 70 million people identify as non binary, it must be false? I understand that you are saying that the percentage of people who feel this way is very small, but that doesn't mean what they have to say is invalid.
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@Bender B, note, I didn't say it completely disproves your point, however because it doesn't match the statistical models that are reliable for essentially every other subject, it is suspect. Especially considering the social gains that can be made within certain political circles for being apart of oppressed groups (having been in these circles as a bi man, I can speak from experience that it doesn't matter the stigma applied from outside the circle, but rather whether you are praised/coddled/defended by "friends" within the circle. Social gains outside don't matter, what matters is whether you gain approval within the in-group), it does seem rather suspicious.
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@Sven and Otar, also please recognize how hard it is to get an accurate picture of how many non binary people there are. Many people are afraid of answering in censuses for fear of exposure and the backlash that will cause, as there is a huge number of people who will go out of their way to try and hurt someone that believes they don't fall into the category of man and woman. Also, most censuses list the non binary option as 'other' or 'transgender', which has sparked its own argument within the LGBTQ community about how they are labeled and addressed. My point is that it is pointless to argue that gender is not a spectrum, or even sexuality for that matter. The whole point of what I'm trying to say, and the LGBTQ community as a whole is that we should stop discriminating against them, because it doesn't even matter. People will be what they want and bang who they want, and that shouldn't be anyone else's business than the people involved.
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@Bender B, I have my background in psychology and I work with kids in the field, including trans-gendered kids. I do not agree with you. Social science has tried to argue this "gender is a social construct" idea for a long time. But the overwhelming data in both biology (studying hormones, body and brain structure, brain chemistry and studying the habits and behaviors of chimpanzees and bonobos) and psychology (studying behaviors, emotional well-being longitudinal studies, and merging all of it with our understanding of biology) makes it pretty clear that sex is a real distinction that cannot be so easily thrown away. Trans-genderism is real but is extremely complex, the fact that people just throw around terms like non-binary and gender fluid is incredibly frustrating, especially to a lot of transgendered people.
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@TheColossalTitan, check my sources. Especially when I quoted "research in the natural sciences investigates whether biological differences in males and females influence the development of gender in humans; both inform debate about how far biological differences influence the formation of gender identity."
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@Bender B, if that's where it ended I'd be fine with it. But LGBTQ lobbyists are passing laws fining people for misgendering others, legislating demands for businesses to accommodate them with building alternate bathrooms, and demanding official legal recognition when there has yet to be enough scientific consensus (I will look over the links you provided) to prove definitively one way or another. That's when it becomes my business because I don't like it when the government starts telling me additional things that I can and cannot do. (P.s. That's why I bumped up the percentage of alternate genders 150% just in the extreme case that we only have 40% of people currently reporting out of fear. That's why I prefaced it with "even being gracious" because it's what I was doing, being gracious and helping your argument by admitting that if it were legitimate, there could be more people who are just afraid to identify themselves)
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@Sven and Otar, I don't agree with lifting the LGBTQ ABOVE the general population, but I see no problem in altering the way we speak to and about people in general to make a lot of people feel more comfortable. It should not be legal to discriminate against someone for being LGBTQ, just like how it shouldn't be legal to discriminate against someone's religion or race. Should there be a fine? No, but I also have not heard of that happening, and I live in the most annoyingly liberal place in the world (Boulder, Colorado). The bathroom thing is really not a big deal, most business here either have single person bathrooms that obviously can be used by anyone, and the very few places that have multiple person bathrooms just have only stalls, no urinals, which feels fine to me as I see no difference in standing to pee at a urinal or standing to pee in a toilet stall. But that's literally only like 2 places and are very new, so the jury is still out on them as I am just one person.
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@Bender B, suspicious that it's contrived. I used to run in a circle of political activists for LGBTQ people and I know from personal experience how the power dynamics work within those societies, the more oppressed of a group you were apart of, the more social power you had and more praise you were lavished with. It's addicting, especially when you don't have a solid social life irl at the time, getting praised by these monikers on the internet was the closest thing to friends you had, so I can easily see how fabricating additional oppressions would be beneficial for someone within these circles
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@TheColossalTitan, those sources are from universities, acclaimed scientists, heckin heck one of the sources is the World Health Organization, not just some random person. They are from people who live, breathe, and work in the field of study. If you think yourself above anyone than you are a part of the problem.
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@Sven and Otar, you seem to be focusing on people who want to gain political power, but the majority of LGBTQ seem to not be seeking power, but rather just acceptance. By the way, have either of you seen Heineken's new add campaign? They did a fantastic job and I'm not being sarcastic. Go look up Heineken ad and I'm sure it's the first to pop up. Very interesting
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@Bender B, I don't think someone should legally be able to discriminate in so far as hiring someone, giving them a loan, marriage, etc. so long as it's between two consenting adults. But demanding over the top legal action is ridiculous. I spoke of bathrooms because an LGBTQ organization just coerced my financially struggling university to undertake new construction to build a third group of bathrooms in all buildings for non-binaries. It's on the verge of bankruptcy as it is, now taking millions out to build new bathrooms is seriously bringing it even closer to that edge. It's ludicrous that they should have to spend that much to accommodate a measly few dozen students, but that's where LGBTQ activists are and the oppression they're fighting against now
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@Bender B, not political power. Social power within their in-group. They want to move up the social ladder of their "friends" in these groups because they lack the skills to build their own social lives outside of these groups. I am speaking out of personal experience having been in these groups myself once upon a time
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@Sven and Otar, well that seems to be where it is for you specifically, so I can understand why that feels like too much. As neither of us belong to the group in question, since we both identify as man/male, I think we should just give it a rest. I am sorry however that the area your university chose to invest in was that one, it does indeed seem too expensive and over the top from your perspective, and if I worked at that uni I would have put the money elsewhere and probably used low budget solutions to try to bring about change, maybe having a speaker come to campus or just letting the students start a group/fraternity so that they could raise money on their own for what they need.
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@Bender B, they already have a group, they used that money to threaten the university with a discrimination law suit because it was cheaper for them. This is the reality of modern leftist political activism, they want to strong-arm detractors either through legal/fiscal action or now physical violence (see the free speech tiffs antifa is causing at Berkeley, attempting to assault those who just want free speech protected). I highly recommend you watch the Rubin Report's episode with Cassie Jaye (leftist feminist), Lauren Southern (conservative), and Sam Harris (classical liberal) to give you an idea of how the left is strong-arming anyone who isn't in line with their ideology regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum
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@Sven and Otar, well I don't agree with suing to get your way, so I'm not condoning that, I am curious however as to which state you attend uni in? Also, since the left is not in power right now, I'll have to slightly disagree at least as far as the big big picture, as their ability to strong arm can only go so far as these local issues affecting smaller areas. I have seen many cases of the right side strong arming women and the LGBTQ into coercion using similar tactics. Regardless, I live in the most liberal place in the world, and we really don't have any form of political violence. Maybe it's cause they're all too damn high lol.
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@Bender B, Pennsylvania. This violence is in retaliation for not maintaining political power. Just watch the interviews, Dave Rubin is a former member of The Young Turks who left due to being an actual liberal wanting to listen to both sides so he started his own show interviewing people. The left may no longer have political power in terms of seats in office, however they have it in spades when it comes to angry young people. You cannot deny the gross amount of violence that's happened due to antifa and the other leftist protests, it really is appalling that out of the entire Berkeley riots that happened earlier this month, the media solely focused on one girl getting punched when in reality, she actually tried to punch the guy first and he was defending himself in the midst of a riot instigated solely by the protesters and not the conservatives coming to speak
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@TheColossalTitan, as a transgender person, i have not met a single other trans person who is frustrated by non-binary people existing. "otherkin" and such delegitimizes us, yes, but non-binary genders don't. most of the western world just isn't ready for it yet, although one country added gender-neutral pronouns to their language and one state in the US added an "other" option to their sex markers on IDs, so that's progress. I myself would identify myself as somewhat non-binary, though I just tell others that I'm a trans guy because it's far easier.
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@Ruupasya, First, I am glad that you and no-one you know is bothered by it. I dislike when people feel frustrated, distressed or as you said delegitimized. I have met many transgender people, many were my friends during college and many more are teenagers that I have worked with over the past few years. All of them (the ones I have spoken to on this issue) have stated expressed feelings of frustration and delegitimization about "non-binary" and "gender fluid" labels. Personally, I don't care if someone wants to argue they are non-binary, gender fluid or even fairykin. How you identify and how you feel is your business. But pretending that the scientific consensus is that gender fluid is a real thing, and/or mandating that other people use whatever words make you feel happy does not fly with me. If you have to force something by gunpoint 1, people are never going to go for it and 2, how real is it really?
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@Ruupasya, That is a different story. You are talking about voluntarily accepting the pronouns this person prefers. I do the same thing. But when laws are placed on the books that uphold those preferences by gunpoint, I will oppose it. I am male and identify as such. But if people wanted to call me a woman, or a douchebag, or a fvckface. That is their right and telling them they can't is just stupid and dangerous.
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@TheColossalTitan, but the same thing applies on a larger scale. if NB people want a third gender option on government forms, why not allow that? it hurts literally no one. even abolishing the gender marker entirely wouldn't really be a big deal. so why do people care so much about something that doesn't affect them at all?
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@Bender B, I'm not dug in in any way, if the articles you provide have legitimacy in their rationale and logic behind them I'll be more likely to change my view. There is always progress to be made when discussing with people of differing views *if* you are truly open-minded and willing to change your opinion based on new knowledge. Colossal has some very telling personal experience and expertise in this field supporting their claims, and so it'd take a phenomenally well-constructed argument to change their mind on the subject, however I'm willing to bet they'd be so inclined if the evidence actually lined up differently
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@Sven and Otar, Oh certainly. Psychology is a constantly evolving and changing field. And also (as I mentioned) this is a hotly debated topic. But the preponderance of evidence does not support many of the sentiments that have been expressed here. I would of course change my mind if that changes, and I often do. Honestly about 3 years ago I was heavily in support of this idea of the spectrum of gender but the more research and experience I have gained has swayed me back and forth to rest somewhere towards the middle but further away from the 9000 genders idea. But I always support tolerance (to the degree it doesn't infringe upon our rights)
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@Welcommatt, The one place I would totally support enforcement of a 'two gender' policy is dating as most people still define gender by genitalia. Identify however you like in your head, but if I say "interested in women" I mean I'm looking for someone with XX chromosomes and no penis - someone with man-junk turns up claiming to be a woman, it's not going to be a good date.
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Honestly this show is terribly disappointing. I went in expecting some interesting science similar to his old show mixed with Mythbusters for the older crowd but instead its a talk show with a bit of science thrown in. As a talk show it works and brings up and discusses some controversial ideas but the science falls flat and its just not a great show to watch
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Whom you wish to form the beast with two backs with doesn't add genders to the listing. Hypothetically, let's say a person named Bob wants to tap the ever loving shjt out of a bear using his phallus. Is Bob's gender "male" or "beartapper"? Preeeeettty sure you know the answer to that. It's one thing to be progressive and I actually adored Bill Nye, but he's sold out on logic on this particular issue, and seems to be following a slippery slope off the deep end. RIP Childhood.
Ok so for those of you criticizing my home boy Bill: He's referring to sexuality, not gender. Sexuality is a spectrum (if you have ever heard of bisexual people, you should understand) Gender has to do with who you are. Sexuality has to do with who you wanna fvck.