God that kid is unbearable
@Medic135, imagine how much money he is given for these interviews and speeches to act like this
@Medic135, just imagine if his school wasn't shot up and his classmates didn't die. I bet he wouldn't be doing this right now.
Death is a great motivator.
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, imagine his classmates died and he used it to make quick buck and fifteen minutes of fame. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine that.
@Dephenistrator, I swear he's gonna blow up and become the new Michael Moore
@ptitty1231, sadly moore will have to pass on his niche to some other degenerate so thats believable
@Dephenistrator, so wait, who's this?
@Jipz, david Hogg, a kid from a school that had a shooting turned into a cursing activist.
@Dephenistrator, I was actually referring to weight gain, you made it more sadly realistic
@ptitty1231, well I can possibly see that but maybe in a few decades. Takes time to pack on that much poundage
@Dephenistrator, so basically what you are saying is if something tragic happens dont talk about it cause you are just looking for fame/money/ratings? Not saying I agree with this kid but if you look at the data more people die from guns in the us than from terrorist yet we spend billions on terrorism prevention but little on gun death prevention. Just under 4k people have died from terrorism in the usa from 1995 yet 30k or so die from guns every year in the usa. About 30% are homicides while 70% are suicides. To say there is not a gun problem is like saying gravity doesnt exist. Now after looking at the data you can see where this kid is coming from.
@Implicit88, first off, suicides don't count because no guns won't help them find meaning in life, they will just kill themselves another simple method. Gun homicides are a far smaller number than gun deaths. Secondly your saying you don't agree with this kid and adding a "but" that justifies his toxic behavior which voids the first part of your sentence. Have you actually heard Hogg talk? Yes he's antigun, and so are quite a few thousand or million in this country yet many are more civil than Hogg. Next your assuming just as most do that people who don't want gun rights removed don't want to do anything about the problem because you've narrowed your possible solutions to only removing guns. No one on ANY side of this wants this to happen, and both want to stop it. In Broward county, police ignored a violent history of the shooter. He bought a gun where very strict laws were in place and he legally could not buy the gun because of his violent past, yet the background check was cleared-
@Implicit88, - anyway. If the gun laws are not even being enforced or regulated then maybe we should start by rooting out who's letting psychos buy guns? Maybe look into putting more security around schools of hundreds of children then one or two old security guards with a walkie talkie? A school shooting doesn't end until either the shooter has his fill and does himself in or cops bring the guns and take them out.
And if you want deatg statistics, more people died from murders in Chicago alone since 2000 than in iraq, so good job strict gun laws. Your saving Chicago.
@Dephenistrator, i merely stated we had a gun problem i gave no solutions to how to fix it. I also just state we don’t care as a nation about this enough given that we spend little $.And of course removing 100% of legal guns would not fix the issue. There are around 10k deaths a year from gun homicides, if you take the % and times it by the total you would get that, i broke it down to give the complete data. I am not justifying his behavior, but you can see why he is behaving that way. I am not saying if its right or wrong what he did. People can judge that on their own. I have heard him talk and i don’t agree with him. If you actually take a closer look at gun data its also very apparent we have a unique gun problem among 1st world countries. The obvious solution is a two pronged approach with gun control and psychiatric help for bad people. Gun control is easy. Managing or even identifying people with a propensity to kill, is not, and may even be impossible with current technology.
@Implicit88, if you look at the murder numbers in general we have a unique problem. That is what truly needs to be addressed. We haven't spent hardly anything on a solution because this country can't agree on a solution
@Dephenistrator, about 70% of homicides (total) are related to gun deaths. Removing guns wont decrease the # to 0 but it will put a dent in it. The country does agree on some gun control. Unfortunately powerful lobby people and gun manufacturers do not. Eliminate money in politics and everything will move forward much easier.
@Implicit88, eliminating guns will make murderers turn to the next best thing and make us like Britain protesting to remove knives. The problem is murderous intent. And really? Money? Have you been watching gun debates or are you a capitalism is evil flunky? Gun violence make gun companies look bad to. Please think
@Dephenistrator, more gun control means less gun sales. Large companies will always care about their bottom line as opposed to moral issues unless the two are one in the same. . Also, the propensity to commit an unlawful act increases and the ease of committing the act increases. Think about speeding while driving. NRA wants no gun control, a big lobbyist. According to polls about 60% of people think gun laws should be stricter.
@Implicit88, very simply, no. Gun suppression equals less sales. People can still buy guns unless you are talking about the ridiculous extreme of banning them.
i used to think gun laws need to be stricter until i noticed they already were. every time something happens there already were laws in place NOT enforced. That is a far more dire first step needed. No one talks if increasing penalties for officials failing to do there job screening background checks because that's not in a gun store.
@Dephenistrator, I understand his desire for activism, I do not condone how he goes about it and I think he is wrong in his desires. Less death is good, his ideas not only would not achieve this goal but would be damaging to others also just look at him
@Implicit88, we do have a solution. Ban pistols; the ones that cause the most deaths. Urban neighborhoods are ruined by these. But Democrats don’t want to listen. Every time someone says “ban handguns” their reply is “YOU ARE INSENSITIVE AND THOSE BIG GUNS ARE OBVIOUSLY SCARIER!!!”
I grew up in the hood. I’ve seen this crap firsthand. Also, more black become felons by just carrying handguns than any other insignificant event. Handguns are the problem.
Anyone want to touch this one?
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, ooh uh, this coming from the same ppl that think those small plastic signs on bathroom doors have been keeping sexual deviants from going into the wrong bathroom all this time. Too long I think.
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, not with a 30 foot pole
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, ez. 1. Sharks do not have a concept of right and wrong, good and evil, etc. Whereas humans obviously do. Sharks don't see a "shark free" zone and think "ooh, easy prey, I'm going to go in there and do some easy killing.
2. The problem is there are always going to be bad people in this world, and I'm not willing to give up my human right to protect myself because some dípshít has an opinion that somebody else should take care of them and protect them.
This is a stupid analogy, and whoever thought of this is bad and should feel bad.
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, criminals brandishing guns run up to a building, see a no guns sign and stop. They are distressed and go home. The sign and laws saved the innocent.... except that would never happen.
Before arguing me the effectiveness of an antigun zone argue me, tell me how stupid a criminal would have to be to brandish a gun in a place where every single person has a gun. The only reason the gunman is scary is because he's the only one so no one can stop him until police bring their guns
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, my dumb @ss actually thought this was about sharks at first I was like who tf made a shark free zone that would never work sharks can't read
@Dephenistrator, except the vast majority of shooting arent premeditated mass murders. A disturbing number of gun deaths happen accidentally by stupid or uniformed people messing around with things they shouldn't. A criminal may not have regard for a no gun sign but an elementary student that doesnt know the ramifications of bringing a gun to school may see those signs and understand that they shouldn't do that
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, Where would we even get that many sharks? Would we have to breed them in captivity?
@TheWhiteWolf, the vast majority of shootings are drug related. Most gun deaths are suicides. Most school shootings are premeditated. I don't know if you're messing with me or if you're so misinformed that you got all your points wrong.
@PoliticalOtters, about 500 of about 16,000 non-suicide gun deaths are accidental or unintentional annually. That number is about half of what it was 20 years ago thanks to education and awareness programs that have been instituted since. A "gun free zone" may not stop anyone but it does help to educate children as to the risks firearms pose at a young age. No one with any intelligence would argue that a gun free zone stops intentional homicides
@TheWhiteWolf, elementary students don't even listen to keeping shoes or no running in the halls signs so that seems far beyond the point. Your not talking about victims are gun free zones, you are talking about reckless parenting or handling which could be applied to many other non weapon objects in greater numbers than guns. That sign isn't going to educate and save a kids life whatsoever. Plus you arguing education is misdirection since the arguments that install gun free zones are always debate from active shooters. Your arguments would have more bite in a very different discussion about guns, but not this one.
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, *poke*
@Medic135, I was hovering my thumb while reading and accidentally thumbed you down. I feel like a monster o.o
@Harvester, I forgive you
@A Math Dealer, right there with you until I read the comments. I was sitting here thinking "this makes no fvckin sense"
@Pvt BB Ghanoush, yeah I got this. Sharks aren’t asked to wait patiently for authorities to arrive to protect them from other sharks that are attacking them.
@Dephenistrator, your argument is just like communism, great in theory right up until you involve other humans. In this place where everyone has a gun, the gunman is afraid, but so am I. Because I don't trust my average fellow citizen with a butter knife, nevermind Amanda the soccer mom whose eye twitches every time her kids ask for candy or Bob Johnson the red hat wearing senior citizen with palsy and a surety that them girly boys is out to see him in the bathroom.
@RedKel23, except that this has been done in practice and still is in areas and they have the lowest gun violence in the country.
@Dephenistrator, just a quick fact update on this one. The 5 highest states per capita rates for gun violence are Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Oklahoma. Not exactly areas where there are low rates of firearm ownership...
@A Blunt Object, so examples like this do not exist? Guess you can only see things from one angle.
Population: 2.7 mil / 2.15 mil
Median household income: $38,600 / $37,000
Conceal carry: No / Yes
Gun stores: 0 / 184 plus 1,500 retailers
Homicides 2012: 1,806 / 207
Homicides per 100k (the stat used to determine your 5 states): 38.4 / 9.6
@A Math Dealer, my god I've read 20+ comments and been here for 5 to 10 minutes and until I read your comment I had no clue this was about guns... I have thought this was about sharks this entire time and thought it was just a super weird super specific thing that's happening somewhere, and people then started to use guns as an analogy for the shark thing. This makes so much more sense omg. I'm also from the UK so guns and shootings and stuff aren't really a thing that happens often, if at all. See my thought towards this, that I've just came up with on the spot, is that making guns illegal now will have no effect, they are already widespread and when made illegal, that doesn't change the fact that they are everywhere and therefore still easily obtainable. Like the UK for instance, (I don't know my stuff for 100% accuracy so don't shjt on me if I'm not perfectly correct guys) but guns here and concealed carrys etc have never been a thing, and
@A Math Dealer, therefore far less people have guns and far less people have had them from the start. The people who do have them have permits and such. It still doesn't stop people from getting guns illegally but they are far less widespread and a fair bit harder to get a hold of than in the US. Then you got the fact that you can just go in to a supermarket and buy guns (places do do background checks and stuff, but not all of them, but my point is that it is still a thing, where it isn't everywhere else) my main point is that it's beyond "making guns illegal" at this point. Yes it could help a bit, from just any person getting a gun and shooting something up, but its not going to stop how easy it will be to still get one if the person still desires. Then there's the whole thing of the American amendments and stuff that makes the illegalisation that much more difficult.
@A Math Dealer, I like the idea of gun free zones, but that does make things more difficult, it means that area likely will have to be constantly monitored, maybe even searches/scanners etc, and then there's the fact that it doesn't stop someone from still bring a gun and shooting up the place, and as someone said above, if no one has guns on them it does leave them defenceless, but you shouldn't be firing your gun towards an attacker with civilians around unless you are actually qualified to do so. So gun free zone or no gun free zone, people shouldny be firing at other people unless qualified to do so, and either zones still doesn't prevent shooters. I don't think that this is the answer, because you shooting the shooter doesn't solve the problem of too many guns etc. I could add more but I'll leave it at this, I realise how far I've dug and I know people will respond and I don't have too much care to keep going because nothing I say will change anything, just adding my thoughts
@Bench, those who give up freedom for security deserve neither
@Dephenistrator, well if we're talking about things that have been put into practice that have reduced gun violence, some places have severely limited civilian gun ownership and put restrictions on how you can obtain them and gun violence dropped to the point of negligible. But that probably doesn't fit your narrative. I'm not against guns, I have a decent collection. I'm against mixing stupid people and guns, and there's a lot of stupid out there.
@RedKel23, ok, but who gets to decide who’s “too stupid” to have guns? I don’t want some bureaucrat 2000 miles away deciding that people are no longer able to defend themselves against tyranny, because the gun owner happens to side with a different political preference.
@Dephenistrator, I’m confused. According to your stats the answer is to flood the area with gun access? But I thought that Chicago was the bastion of gun control not working since guns were everywhere. And if that’s true, shouldn’t Chicago be the safest place, since the answer to school shootings is more guns in schools?
I guess my question is it simply enough to curb gun access in an area like Chicago did or hit the issue at the federal level since citizens could legally buy guns in a neighboring state and take them to another?
@big freedom, I don't either, I 100% agree with you. I was just pointing out the flaw in the argument that if everyone is armed we'll be safer. I don't think anyone has a true solution. I think it starts with education on responsible gun ownership, true background checks, and recurring tests. It doesn't really solve the problems around criminals having guns or people,finding ways to obtain them illegally, but it's reasonable to consider.
@RedKel23, ahh. I see. To be fair, debating whether “everyone” is armed is hyperbole. Just like I don’t want bureaucrats telling me I can’t be armed, I definitely don’t want anyone having to be armed if they don’t wish to be.
@Bench, should be SHOT
@nepheal, a lot of gun related deaths in Chicago (and other big cities llike LA, NY, Detroit) happen with illegally purchased firearms. The point being a criminal is a criminal, they dont care whether the law says they cant own a firearm because they dont listen to the law regardless
@nepheal, thats what fox news will tell you. That those signs keep people safe. Maybe they should have had some@in rogers office
@RedKel23, the problem is that even if every gun disappeared from the earth magically, not one is going to stop killing eachother. Britian did this kind of thing and now people are marching to ban knives. Deaths by other means spikes because violent intent doesn't disappear.
@nepheal, Chicago is a bastion of gun control laws not working for anyone but the bad guys, it's the best example that criminals will always get guns and curbing your right to defend yourself is ignorant.
@Dephenistrator, my point wasn't that guns should be banned. My point is that your statement giving everyone guns works because of the statistical results in places it has been implemented is countered by far better results in places where they have been banned. Statistics can lie. Both have side effects that are arguably terrible.
@The nOly One, I mean how so? They haven’t had a handgun ban since 2010 and have allowed conceal carry since 2012. So what laws are you referring?
@nepheal, Any law? A criminal that wants to get there hands on illegal contraband, whether that be guns, drugs, etc.. will find any way to do so, I’m not saying that there is a strict gun ban in those areas, what I’m saying is that those who are pushing for gun bans don’t realize that criminals will still find ways to purchase guns illegally.
@Dephenistrator, there’s no angles with facts. Illinois has less firearm deaths per capita than Texas. You can cherry pick statistics all you want, but states by and large determine gun laws more than local municipalities do. Also, if you’re trying to make this partisan you shouldn’t use 2 cities that have been under Democratic control for decades...
BTW, I’m not anti or pro guns, but if your contention is that it’s safer with more you’re ill-informed at best...
@A Blunt Object, yes, I'll feel much safer around violent crime without a way to defend myself. I'm so ill informed
@Dephenistrator, you think you have no defenses if you don’t have a gun? That’s a tragic way to live. My sympathies...
@A Blunt Object, my sympathies to every killed by a lone guman that could have had a gun. The part that makes them so destructive is no one else can pull out a gun and shoot back, they know their prey is helpless. That's why cops need to come and bring the guns to end the problem unless you get lucky and there's a good guy with a gun around.
@Dephenistrator, I get it dude, you need a gun to feel like you have some semblance of control in the world.
That’s cool, but this good guy with a gun myth is a pretty poor argument. Do you think the kind of person who thinks to themselves, hey I’m gonna shoot a place up is a logical thinker, or that the average person can positively identify a shooter quickly in a dimly lit crowded area?
It’s a silly argument. I don’t begrudge you or anyone for wanting or owning a gun. Just be honest about the reasons. It’s a constitutionally protected right, we don’t need to make excuses for wanting one...
@A Blunt Object, i don't have time for liars
@Dephenistrator, funny, that’s why I called you out initially!
@The nOly One, but my point is how is it the example if there is no gun control ban. And obviously having more guns around isn’t solving the issue, just more death. Plus I can go to another state that has lax gun control laws, so I don’t need to buy them illegally in Chicago even if there was a ban. It’s a poor example.
@Dephenistrator, what makes them so destructive is they no long fear death or value life. They don’t try to run away, they shoot until shot. A good guy with a gun may end it sooner but a lot of ppl will still get hurt or killed.
The frustrating part is what to do about it. It’s a multifaceted issue and one that hits deep with a lot of people.
@nepheal, you can still illegally buy a firearm, even without a gun ban (which is done every day in America), and criminals buy and kill with illegally obtained firearms all the time, which is my point, those firearms and murders wouldn’t be decreased by a gun ban
@A Blunt Object, part of the reason for Chicago lower death by gun, is that the drs there are so good at dealing with gsw’s. Don’t blame someone else for cherry picking data if you’re going to do the same thing. Instead of deaths look at number of people shot (not including suicides).
@big freedom, Chicago has a higher death rate due to firearms than Houston, if I claimed it didn’t that would be false. If you expand the sample size to the state level though Texas has a higher rate than Illinois.
The point that was being contended was that more guns = less gun violence, and the data shows that to be false. Accessibility and poverty levels are usually the main drivers.
@A Blunt Object, there are a lot of statistics beyond “higher death rate due to guns” and correlation =\= causation.
Switzerland has almost 100% gun ownership and almost 0% gun deaths. Therefore more guns = safer according to the way you’re cherry picking stats.
@big freedom, Switzerland has about 27 guns per 100 people that’s hardly 100%. The US is over 120 per 100 people. So thanks for proving my point I guess...
@A Blunt Object, or 45.7 guns/100 people. but you pick whatever stat you like. Whereas US has 88, but that has a lot to do with a smaller number of people owning a larger collection of guns.
Don’t cherry pick stats.
The biggest lie ever told was a statistic. Or Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
@big freedom, not sure where you’re finding 88, the lowest I can see from a reputable source is 112 for the US. We can debate the Swiss number, but it’s still a far cry from 100% or US ownership levels.
Not for nothing, I’m not arguing against gun ownership, just the belief that it creates a safer environment. You might feel safer with one, and that’s ok, but the data shows something else. Serbia and Yemen are #2 and #3 in per capita ownership behind the US, and we wouldn’t argue that those are safe places.
As always I appreciate the debate. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
I’ll just say it. Fück liberals
@IronBelly, dang that's brave. Especially on this app /s
@SkizleDNizleS, Has the app finally become conservative? I haven't paid much attention to the comments in the last couple years, but you all still seem more liberal than conservative.
@ archiethesailor, most people our age are becoming more conservative in general
@WelI Obviously, I've been enjoying seeing a more conservative gen z, I just haven't noticed it on FP.
@IronBelly, fück both sides, nothing but a dick swinging contest between them and people like me get none of the benefits
@IronBelly, app is actually very conservative in nature. Saying f u to all liberals is whats wrong with society. You basically are “my way or the highway”. That mentality is detrimental to humanity.
@Implicit88, I agree, but I think the app can be liberal or conservative depending on who's on or who's vocal at the moment. I think uncut tends to be more conservative but again it wobbles around.
@Dephenistrator, yes it is true that it does fluctuate, i think at the moment commenters are leading conservative. The thing that gets me the most is when people just omit the other side.
@Implicit88, yeah, that got me mad at Google news during the election. I read comments on news sites as well and I gotta say, as bad as things are we are still more civilized than other forums out there
@ archiethesailor, I thought we had a really good balance going myself, I've made some conservative buddies here. A few liberal buddies too! And there's of course the super lefty nut jobs
@Medic135, I think that's good that you can get along with both sides. Here's hoping that goes better for you than it did for me
@IronBelly, you cûnt
Seriously... I fûcking hate that little fàggot. What a dumb mother fûcker. He’s brainwashing more idiots with his nonsensical teenage thoughts. It’s scary how we take anyone’s thoughts under 25 WAY too seriously. Just because your school got shot up doesn’t mean you know how life works, gun laws work or anything else he preaches.
Under this metaphor we would have control of sharks and could have them attack people. If you think people get killed a lot now imagine if we had this power.
@BigJohnson86, so we’re all Aquaman?
Except Shark nets making a shark free zone kinda work
@theprofprofessor, and so does shutting the fuk up
@tfrosty, are you salty because they're right?
@TheMonkeyGod, lol nope
@theprofprofessor, the shark analogy falls apart from the start. Nobody's suggesting that we stop school shootings by shooting up more schools.
@Rtas Vadum, no argument that it's a shyt analogy in every direction.
@theprofprofessor, shark nets make it harder for non-sharks to enjoy the zone.
@theprofprofessor, yes but the term “sharks” refer to the gun. But you say adding more sharks would help prevent against shark attacks. That is an incorrect analogy, as sharks wouldn’t be the one committing shark attacks it would be people who used sharks to attack. As a shark can independently attack its own victims, as guns can not on their own, this doesn’t “hold water” (lol). And we have seen that even if the real perpetrators (shark riders, or shark users) that commit the violence even use whales (buses, trucks, etc) piranhas (knives) and even exploding puffer fishes (bombs).
@Hockman9, When did I say anything about adding sharks? At most I was implying that their analogy is terrible
Nah, nah, if you want to deal with sharks, you need a killer whale. Probably get a Shamu army out there and BAM shark problem's gone. Of course, then you have to worry about paying their insurance fees...
@SimonPetrikov, we have a smart thinker here!
@Dephenistrator, I get it. Machine gun nests by the school entrance. That’ll deter them.
@nepheal, those aren't very mobile so no.
Normally I would advocate for gun control, but honestly the concept of training our own sharks to fight wild sharks just sounds freaking radical and I wholly support it.
They’re called dolphins, and they exist and deter sharks. Kind of like good citizens with guns exist and deter active shooters
I just failed no nut november
Shark attacks are caused by people making mistakes that cause sharks to think a person is a fish. For example, if sun shines off of someone’s ring, any shark will think it’s a fish’s scales and bite your arm off by mistake.
Imagine thinking a night club is analogous to an animal's native habitat. Imagine thinking a gun shoots people due to its instincts without any external actions.
Jeez, can’t even make a joke with the gun loving turds around. “But it’s for my protection!”, yeah it’s for your small dick. The rest of us are just fine without them thanks 🤷🏻♂️☺️
@SEPULTURA81, ok dumbass 😂 someone's never been mugged
@SEPULTURA81, I can’t affect your right to not own a gun. Thankfully you can’t affect my right to own one.
@Medic135, I have been actually, used my fists. Thankfully didn’t have a gun so nobody died, pretty simple huh?
@big freedom, username checks out. Free to do what they tell you.
@SEPULTURA81, more like you're lucky they didn't have one, but have fun in your safety bubble
@SEPULTURA81, wait what? So someone tried to mug you without a weapon? What’d they do, menacingly shout “give me your wallet” while striking a karate pose?
@Medic135, have no fun in your fear bubble.
@SEPULTURA81, I'm not afraid friend, I know I'll survive
@prxjxct, right?? If I was gonna mug someone I'd at least fake having a weapon
@SEPULTURA81, Ay, I’m not trying to bug ya, and I’m not chirping ya, but I am genuinely curious about what happened eh? I mean, if you want to share the story, that is!
@Medic135, yeah, you’d think at least a finger under the shirt, bare minimum.
@prxjxct, there was 3 of them, me in my own, cornered. I took a few slaps for sure but got off better than they did, just adrenaline kicking in I guess. Knocked 2 down, 1 was clean out, and chocked the other guy till he started begging. I had a black eye and bloody nose. Which is my point I guess, no guns so nobody died.
At least he is doing something. As Americans we should be proud young people are standing up for what they believe in instead of just being insufferable trolls.
@Belesarius, what is he “doing”. He’s using activism and emotion instead of logic and reason. His “ideas” have no basis in fact. He’s an emotional twit who is playing on others emotions. We don’t and shouldn’t make laws based on emotion and what “feels good” we make them, or at least we should, on what is effective and within the constitution.
@Belesarius, “The pathetic f***ers that want to keep killing our children, they could have blood from children splattered all over their faces and they wouldn’t take action because they all still see those dollar signs,”
“At this point its like when your old-a** parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage’ and you’re like, ‘Ok give me the f***ing phone’ and you take it and you get it done in one second. Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government because our parents don’t know how to use a f***ing democracy so we have to do it.”
- Hogg, he is nothing but a troll
Just looking at the comments here and....thank god I don't live in America :')