How to prove a point...
@Jtlightning2, "Do what you will. I've already won."
@Jtlightning2, I have a feeling that quote is gonna catch on.
@Jtlightning2, she also went on another talk show saying how she didn't care about being called darling. And then flipped shït when milo Ynopllese did it. (I spelled his name wrong and to lazy to look it up)
"Feminism is the word for trying to solve the issues of both sexes by focusing solely on one of them."
@I Are Lebo, Captain Kirk?! I love Star Wars!
@I Are Lebo, lol.
"Brett, you're too easily offended"
"I can't believe you just said that!"
As a person who considers herself a feminist, I’m very confused as to why people are so (for want of a better word) disgusted by feminism. In its core beliefs, feminism simply means gender equality. It means allowing men and women to be equal in today’s society. That can be different for everyone. It could mean women wanting equal pay as a man for performing the same job, or girls wanting to be able to walk down the street alone without being catcalled or concerned for their safety, or men wanting to be able to show tender (also for want of a better word, I’m very sleepy) emotions like women can. People that get extremely easily offended by simple things or say that men are misogynistic pigs are not feminists. They may call themselves that, but labeling men like that goes against the very core belief that I mentioned earlier: gender equality. Thanks for sticking with the long post, and I’d love to hear your perspective on the issue if you’ve got time!
@Docdoolittle, google 'no true scotsman' fellacy
@Docdoolittle, here's the thing. Feminism began with those ideals, but the vocal majority of feminists do not hold to those ideals. They generalize men, get offended extremely easily, and treat the world like their problems are the only ones that exist.
I'm sorry if you feel that doesn't make them "real feminists", but to the rest of the world there is no telling the difference between you.
Feminists often make extremely inflammatory remarks backing up ridiculous double standards with bad logic and outright sexism.
Do you know how many feminists think it's impossible for a woman to be sexist, but will go on at length about how all men are inherently mysogynestic pigs?
Did you know that spousal abuse happens at the exact same rate to men as it does to women? Were you aware that there are next to no support groups that will help male rape victims? Or that sexual harassment towards men is more rarely reported than female victims and is rarely taken seriously?
Both genders have their
own problems, but you will never bring about equality by focusing on only one of them.
For every feminist who understands these points and wants to fight for actual gender equality, there seem to be a dozen feminists who have no second thought about slapping a guy across the face, but will cry rape if he looks at her ass for too long.
The double standards are everywhere, and frankly I'm getting sick of it. It's the same as White Guilt. I'm not going to be shamed because I happen to have traits that someone else doesn't like.
These whiny pretentious cunts that call for mass censorship of language and take any and every opportunity to get outraged have taken feminism from you. They have taken your movement and have made it into a crusade for female superiority. They want a future where having a penis makes you a second class citizen, and they have taken the name Feminism to label it. It sucks, but much like SJWs, I don't think there's much you can do to revive that reputation.
@I Are Lebo, just hold on a second... we can say cunt on this app now????!!!!
@2807Ollie, you bet your cunty-est cunt day cunt hat we can.
@Docdoolittle, as a 33 year old male, I've had 5 jobs in my life so far all of which have had a female boss at the top, two of which owned their company's with their husbands working under them... my mother since I can remember has always worked for her self earning several times that of all of our male family friends and even today my partner earns way more than me, so you could say the feminist movement is a little lost on me as almost every female I've come into contact with is out performing every male
@2807Ollie, as far as I can tell the only swear words censored on here are shït and fück. Bitch, bastard, ass, and cunt are all uncensored.
@butternut squash, the feminist movement has become a joke for the same reasons that BLM is a joke. Sexism happens to all sexes, and racism happens to all races. The word "institutional" has nothing to do with basic discrimination, but you aren't going to fix issues with women by focusing solely on women, and they'll never fix race relations by focusing solely on black issues.
Not only that, but both groups seem to be blind to the massive improvements both women and black people have made in their rights over the last century.
They're defeated by their own members every time a feminist is openly bigoted against men or a BLM is openly racist towards white people.
Responding to oppression by oppressing others doesn't fix anything. It just shifts the problems back and forth through time.
@I Are Lebo, so just to clarify, are you saying just because one group is more vocal that's all the group can be? Just because that type of "feminist" is louder then anyone who considers them self a feminist has to hold the same beliefs? That's just what the beginning of your post sounded like and I wanted to make sure I understood
@I Are Lebo, ALSO I do see your point in your argument about domestic abuse and male rape victims. I actually have a male friend who was sexually assaulted at a party by an ex girlfriend and when he tried to tell people, all his friends just said "at least you got some" even though the situation clearly bothered him. That being said I believe that "true" feminism should also benefit men. The idea of sexism doesn't only hurt women but men too. Like you said it makes it easier to ignore men's struggles (such as not being able to report assault) because they're looked at as "women's problems" but feminism (which by definition tries to bring about equality of the sexes) wants to get rid of that. Feminism is what will one day bring you male rape support groups and make it possible for men to report abuse because the stigma of "men's problems" and "women's problems" will be gone.
@ skh159, feminism has been co opted. Like any group diverse enough to disagree on what the main goals are, the group is defined by who represents the group, and while there are still plenty of self proclaimed feminists who support gender equality the majority of self proclaimed feminists do not. They support female superiority.
Like it or not, there is no such thing a "true" feminist or a "fake" feminist. The group does not exist outside of those that self identify because all the group is is a set of ideological principles. It's a label self applied, not an an actual, physical, quantifiable set of rules.
Feminists have gotten rape support clinics installed all over the country. Those institutions refuse to provide any sort of support to male rape victims. If a man tries to attend a rape support group he is thrown from the building, often with support of the police.
The ONLY men's shelter in the entire United States is in the middle of the California desert.
Here's the thing,
@I Are Lebo, wait a minute though so are we saying all Christians are like the West Boro Baptists? Because they tend to show up in the news more, they "represent" Christianity in popular media? Or jihadist in Islam? Sorry but I can't agree with that way of thinking. Just because someone is is more seen in media with their opinion doesn't mean that they represent the whole group. That's pretty much the same as saying all frat boys are rapists because that's what we see. I can't talk about statistics but in my personal experience most frat boys are not sexually aggressive enough to rape someone.
actions speak louder than words. The actions of feminists speak very clearly that women matter more than men. That women are perpetual victims and that all men have to take responsibility for it.
I do not hold to these beliefs. I myself tend to bias towards women. I like women more than men. But the double standards in this society drive me crazy. Like how it's unacceptable for a man to hit a woman, but women can hit men all they like without repercussion. Like how if a woman wants to wear pants it's no issue but if a man wears a skirt he's liable to get lynched.
Not only are the double standards everywhere but the double speak is, too. If a man doesn't hold open a door for a woman he's a misogynistic pig who doesn't respect women, but if he does hold the door open he's a misogynistic pig who thinks women are weak.
The standards many feminists hold for men are literally impossible. When a man and a woman are in an intimate relationship and the morning after they have sex he gropes
@I Are Lebo, I don't disagree with you that the double standards are a huge issue. I think it's harmful to human beings as a whole to say "men are evil." I just urge you to see past the loud angry minority and see the large majority. I bet if you thought about it you're a feminist, too. I'm sure there are women in your life that you care about and you want a world where they can go outside and not feel threatened by the MINORITY of men who catcall, and I'm sure that you want them to have all the same rights as a man. That being said you ALSO want men to have the same rights as women. That's what true feminism is. Like you said, if you wanna wear a skirt as a man you should damn well go for it. That's what feminism is supposed to mean, not just improving the lives of women but more... I don't know what a good way to say it but maybe de stigmatizing femininity. If that makes sense?
her boob playfully and she charges him with sexual assault (this is a real case that happened), and yet women like that have zero compunction against grabbing a guy's genitals when they're horny.
I myself have had a girlfriend that I was with for less than six months engage in sex with me while I was still asleep. Personally, in that situation I didn't have any complaints beyond "don't expect me to do anything", but if I had had a problem I would have made my displeasure clear to her.
This attitude of women simultaneously being oppressed and oppressing is so ridiculously hypocritical that I lose all patience for it.
It's unfortunate for the feminists that started feminism to promote gender equality, the parties doing these awful sexist things are doing so under the umbrella of feminism.
There is no visible, outward distinction between a feminist who believes in gender equality and one who believes in female superiority. Some in the second group think they're in the first group.
@ skh159, it does make sense. The problem is, you are not dismissing the loud angry minority of women who are fighting for female superiority. You're dismissing the loud angry portion that make up a substantial amount, if not an actual MAJORITY.
Cat calling is not a threat. Threatening behaviour is. Fighting against cat callers is futile, because there will ALWAYS be assholes. This is not an important issue, because it isn't solvable. Most cat callers do it specifically because they know they shouldn't. It's like with rapists. Rapists (of both genders) don't rape because they don't know better. They rape because they don't care.
As I said, feminism began with lofty, admirable goals, but even the feminists who DO still want gender equality do so by focusing solely on women's issues, and that's futile. You will NEVER achieve gender equality by only focusing on women.
I mean, let's be real here. The word feminism is female centric. It does not mean equality, it means "focused on women"
@I Are Lebo, first let me start by saying I'm greatly enjoying this discussion we're having, it's rare to have a such a level headed, intelligent conversation not just on the internet but a lot of places nowadays. Ok now back to my point. I think that there are a lot more people who are feminists than you think. If we're going from the main idea of feminism (men and women should be treated equal) then most people could be considered feminist and very few of them are the "loud angry" of either type. Speaking from personal experience, most feminists that I know (people such as friends and neighbors and the such) are people who want men and women to BOTH have better lives. I actually watched a documentary last year with my roommate (she's a social work major so she had to write a paper on it) called Miss Representation (it's pretty much why feminism still needs to exists, though I don't agree with everything it says) and another called The Mask You Live In (pretty much the male...
@ skh159, you are misrepresenting me. I did not say the feminists that want female superiority are all feminists. I simply said that they ARE feminists.
The Westbourough baptist church ARE Christians.
ISIS and Al Queda ARE Muslims.
Just because the majority of the group disagrees with the fringe doesn't mean the fringe aren't a part of the group.
The WBC are 'real' Christians right up until the day that Christianity as a whole rises up to throw them out.
ISIS are 'real' Muslims right up until the day that Muslims as a whole rise up to throw them out.
And man hating femenazis are 'real' feminists up until the day that feminists as a whole rise up to throw them out.
If someone stands up to speak for you and says things that you disagree with, but you remain silent, then they ARE speaking for you.
@ skh159, counterpart about how misogyny is harmful for men too) they're REALLY interesting and I highly suggest watching them. In them they talked about how part of the problem of misogyny is that it teaches boys that being feminine is "bad" and that's where some of this overly aggressive behavior comes from, like a pendulum swinging the other way. My point is, feminism at its core is meant to help humanity as a whole not just women, but I'll give you that it's sort of a misnomer but in the beginning of feminism it made sense as women were the oppressed group. As a feminist I would love to see a world where it's not "men do this and women do that" rather its people do what fits. To be more specific on a smaller scale instead of "the husband mows the lawn and the wife cooks" ideal it's whoever wants to do either chore and they both get done. I don't know I guess what I'm trying to say is that most people you meet in your daily like can be considered feminists and that I want you to
@ skh159, I get it. I really do. I used to consider myself a feminist. Unfortunately you are fighting a losing battle. Feminism has been co opted to mean female superiority and SJWs who fight over irrelevant non-issues. If your priority is fixing the imbalances in this world, come up with a new name for your venture and keep fighting the good fight.
But fighting to rebrand feminism back to its origins is a waste of time. It won't work as long as you have man hating bigots that also call themselves feminists, and there's no real way to get rid of them. Let them have their feminism title, they've already stripped most of its credibility away.
@ skh159, also I'm enjoying this debate as well. I like to say "I don't have to agree with someone to respect them" and I try very hard to live by that.
@ skh159, try and look past the feminist you see in media. Know that there are a lot more of us out there who want the best for both women AND MEN than those who just attack men because that's what feminism is supposed to mean. It just sucks that what I refer to as "fake" feminists took that word and made it something bad. I'm just trying to show that there are more feminists out there than them. It's just hard to use that word now that a lot of people identify feminism with man hating so not a whole lot of people use that term anymore. Maybe we just need a new word because I feel like you and I fall on the same level of "men and women should be equal" its just I use the word feminist and you don't.
@ skh159, let me put it this way. The swastika was taken from the Buddhist symbol for peace. That symbol used to represent symmetry and balance. Now, because of Hitler and the Nazis, that same symbol represents intolerance, hatred, and genocide. There's no going back to representing peace. That symbol has been ruined.
It doesn't even take that much to ruin a symbol. Hollywood ruined the pentacle. The five pointed star was a pagan symbol for femininity, referencing the fact that Venus (commonly attributed to and named after the goddess of womanhood) traces a perfect pentacle across the sky. Hollywood turned that symbol into a satanic image and that image stuck.
Feminism was once a good thing but as I said it has been co opted and corrupted. You can either spend all your time futilely trying to undo that or you can focus on the actual issues and keep moving forward.
@I Are Lebo, ok I can see what you're saying and it makes sense. I think the only place where I disagree with you is that I don't think that the term feminist is irreparably ruined. I think, and it just might be in my state/area, that most people that I know don't yet identify feminism with the crazy people (i know that that's not a perfect way to phrase that but I'm simultaneously writing an essay in Spanish and my brain is having a harder time recalling English words so I apologize for getting a bit lazy in my word choice and such). Pretty much I think you're right, if we all as people turn and say to these people (I say people because it's not all women) that's not what feminism is then we can redeem the word. It just takes all of us to do it.
@ skh159, I believe we have more or less reached a consensus in a way and I'm pretty proud of us. Also if you love reading batshît crazy things then you can check out this article some male (I include his gender because it's rare you see a male with this perspective) professor wrote in our school paper http://www.lanthorn.com/article/2017/09/opinion-column-anchor-up-culture-at-gvsu and google louie the laker for some context. It doesn't really do much for this argument but it's kind of funny because it's dumb in my opinion. Especially if you know the school I go to. EDIT: by consensus I don't mean we agree I just mean I don't think either of us is going to change our opinion I just don't think we're really arguing different points. Kind of like a "same opinion different name" kind of situation.
@ skh159, I get it. Just an FYI, you can't copy URLs from here and there's a zero percent chance that I'm going to painstakingly copy that.
On a local level feminism may not be that corrupted but on the internet it absolutely has been.
It would be better to adopt a name that doesn't lean towards women more than men. The problem with feminism is in its very name. Stupid people (which are the majority of people) can not comprehend that feminism doesn't mean women first. And I don't blame them because ALL feminists believe, at their core, that women are disenfranchised everywhere. In many places this is still true, but the majority of the United States does NOT have that apply.
@I Are Lebo, it gives you enough information to google. It's worth it. Also, as a feminist, I don't believe women are disenfranchised everywhere. We as a people have made AMAZING strides in first world countries for women. The main "fight" definitely should be focused on other areas such as some countries in the Middle East for example. I do, however, believe that there's still stereotypes to be broken and attitudes to slowly be evolved away in these more "modern thinking" countries, for lack of a better term. Like, for example, the idea that there are right and wrong ways to be a woman. And that "women belong in the kitchen" which I realize is often a joke but I have definitely heard plenty of times as not a joke.
@I Are Lebo, listen I don't think we are ever going to totally bend to the other persons opinion and could probably discuss for a LONG time so how about we just agree on something and move on knowing we had a calm reasonable argument on the internet today. A feat in and of itself. I suggest that maybe misogyny and misanthropy wouldn't even be a problem if humans weren't quite so stupid?
@ skh159, here's the inherent problem with feminism. You bring up stereotypes about there being a right way and a wrong way to be a woman, but completely omit that there are exactly the same standards and expectations for men. That leads to situations where women feel free to shoot down certain men as dating partners for being too short, but get outraged at men who reject certain women as dating partners for being too fat.
By focusing only on the issues of one sex, you will NEVER achieve equality. ALL feminists suffer from the flaw, because it's core feminism is NOT about making men and women equal, it's about raising women to meet men, without consideration of there being areas where men and women are already equal, and without consideration of areas where women are considered superior.
Because I do agree with you that in general humans are idiots. The problem with feminism is it is inherently women centric. Feminism was doomed to ultimate failure long before these man haters joined
the group to have an excuse for their own sexism against men.
I've joked about it before, but I absolutely agree with The Amazing Atheist, aka TJ Kirk when he said that "Feminism is a system that seeks to achieve equality between the genders by focusing solely on one of them."
You have to focus on both groups. You have to become aware of your own double standards, and work on fixing your own double standards before you can help anyone else fix theirs. It's not about recognizing privilege, it's about recognizing hypocrisy.
@I Are Lebo, ok hold up a minute if you look back at my previous arguments you'll see that I tie both standards for women AND men into a struggle involved with feminism. I only provided an example for women because I can only speak to my personal experience because I don't have statistics for you. It's simply untrue to say ALL feminists only focus on women. Sorry if I seem a little ticked it's just that I spent like 3 hours on Thursday helping my friend write a paper in response to the article I shared about how it's wrong to say that it's bad for men to be "masculine." I agree that there are areas where women are considered superior which is unfair (such as parenting looking at custody cases) but please don't think that ALL feminists are only concerned about women. If you look at my previous comments you'll see that's untrue
@ skh159, I will clarify then. I don't think ALL feminists only care about women. However, every single feminist that I have personally encountered or seen over the internet is PRIMARILY concerned with women. For nearly every single feminist that I have seen, male issues are an afterthought if they're mentioned at all.
I don't mean to generalize, I was trying to reference my own experience.
Even you come across to me as someone who is more concerned with women than with across the board equality. It's a learned problem, not an inherent one. You have women's problems thrust in your face, and men's issues are quietly ignored.
Do you know how many men are hit by women? The vast majority move on without complaint, and those that do are labeled "pussies" and looked down for "letting a girl beat them up".
@ skh159, watch a YouTube video by Aba and Preach titled "Women hitting men", or their video on why women don't like short people.
They're informative and funny. Good personalities.
@I Are Lebo, ok I understand you better now. I do have to say that personally I think it's all tied together. Having double standards for either group hurts the other. I'll admit that i probably do lean towards women more but that's because I'm a woman and I've experienced sexism (not majorly mind you but first world sexism). That's generally just a human trait, to fight for your own group. You seem like you're more concerned with men's rights and if that's you in your picture then I'm assuming it's because you're male and you've probably experienced some sort of sexism because of that. There's nothing wrong with supporting the group you fall into. That also doesn't mean I can't see the issues that men face in the modern age. That doesn't mean I'm not concerned with equality across the board. I think that having these inequalities based on sex is just stupid no matter the gender.
@ skh159, I have to be honest about my own hypocrisy here. I actually don't care much about men's issues. I honestly think that men who are abuses by their wives need to man up and make their displeasure clear and stand up for themselves. With abused women I tend to lean more towards "just leave him".
In general I'm more against double standards more than I'm actually FOR things. What bothers me isn't a woman that cuts off her husbands penis for demanding a divorce. What bothers me isn't even a popular female talk show openly laughing about this on national television (although I think Sharon Osbourne is a disgusting cunt and if I met her I'd ask her to her face if she still thinks genital mutilation is fabulous). What bothers me is that we live in a world where a man will get fired if he says anything even remotely sexist, but women have a free pass. What bothers me is a man who lands a satellite on a goddamn COMET and then gets widely criticized due to his taste in clothing.
@ skh159, feminism as a group focuses on the small picture, again and again. They blow up about things that do not matter, and ignore issues that do. Feminists tend to ignore ANY information that challenges their worldview, which is a big part of why they keep bringing up the wage gap, which is a disingenuous number arrived at by ignoring all variables that give a result that challenges their claim.
When a woman takes a year off from work to raise a child, and then comes back, in some cases doing this two or even three times over the course of a career, and flips out that her male coworkers who have stayed there working while she was away are making more money than her, I begin to worry about the future of the species.
Feminism has become a bad joke. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but this is the blunt truth.
@Docdoolittle, you’re very right in this post but unfortunately a lot of feminists that you see on media follow that extremely offensive and wanting women to have more rights than men category. Unfortunately those people have destroyed the word for the real feminists
@memebros4, is that not what I said?
@ skh159, hey, I just wanna say thanks again for the great debate. I enjoyed it immensely and I enjoyed rereading through it just now even more. You made your points very eloquently, and while we definitely disagree on the value of the feminist group, we do seem to share similar attitudes towards gender equality and how we should just treat each other well, as human beings.
@I Are Lebo, yeah man it's been great I hope to see you around
This is fantastic xD
Just read the title of the debate “pet names, are they offensive?” FFS! we as a species have significant problems over and above this absolute tripe! This petty self-indulgent crap boils my piss!
I wouldn't say I'm easily offended, but that was actually pretty crappy of him to say, especially on TV in front of tons of people. That's such an ingrained an
d bigoted stereotype in modern culture that really it's just an immature jab that people thow out when they have nothing better to say.
Okay, I may have a strong hatred for faux-feminism, but there is absolutely no need for that kind of comment. Yes, feminist can be offended by certain things that are worth being upset about (just like everyone), and yes, faux-feminists tend to be offended by cheese and the air around us if it so much as touches a man, this is just bigotry, and he's purposely trying to piss off not just this person, but all feminists, good or bad. TL:DR this guy sucks, and it makes me salty
@yourleftnut, what do you mean? He literally said femenists get offended too easily, and she immediately prooved his point. She acts like its the worst thing he could have said.
And people like her say a lot of worse shît about men. "Misogynistic pigs" "theyre all rapisits"
Fúck this bitch
@yourleftnut, i get what you mean man but people like her are exactly what hes talking about. And even if you dont agree with it, its all for laughs on here. We aren't trying to start wars
@Duncan5769, yeah, fvck her, but still, this guy is being an aßhole just for the sake of a cheap joke
@Ginger Incorporated, like I said, I got salty. If I didn't vent, it'd piss me off for a good while. Aspergers is a bītch like that
@yourleftnut, what he said was harmless. Her overreaction does not mean he is not allowed to speak his mind.
As morty once said "Maybe people who create things arent worried about your delicate sensibilities. Maybe the species that communicate through the filter of your comfort are less evolved then the ones that just communicate... and maybe the public giving a shít about your feelings, is a one way ticket to extinction"
@Duncan5769, and it kinda was the worst thing he could have said. She was invited to the newscast to preach about feminism, and this guy just shat all over her lifestyle on live television like it was nothing.
@yourleftnut, i don’t see my other comment, so I’ll assume that FP ate it, regardless here is my argument to that, and I’m going to skip the part where I try to change someone elses views, I just want to get mine across. If I die, and someone just lays into me at the funeral, full on destroy your life funny roast, if anyone stops them, I will rise from the grave I swear. I don’t care how insulting it gets, because if it’s funny, it’s fair game. Because I appreciate humor, I don’t get offended at jokes.
@yourleftnut, he shat all over her lifestyle? Wtf. Now youre sounding like one of them
@yourleftnut, this isn’t to say that you are, this isn’t me calling you out, this is “I wish everyone could let it roll off and laugh, see the funny side. “ She didn’t, a lot of people don’t. But I wish they did.
@Duncan5769, well, I'm sure you'd be pretty pissed off if someone said "people who watch sports are mindless nimrods" or "anime is for children" or "God is a lie created by the old government to make the masses more malleable for peace". My point being is that he wasn't just joking, he insulted her. On live television. For millions to see. And you know what, maybe I am "one of them". I truly believe in equality. Not just for women, but for everyone. Anyways, this is getting out of hand, and I have work tomorrow, so I bid this thread adieu.
@yourleftnut, my rights don't end where your feelings begin.
Or this: you do not have the right to not be offended.
@yourleftnut, Actually i dont watch sports or anime, and im an athiest. But if you said people who play video games are losers, or all athiest go to hell, or people who watch walking dead have no taste in tv, I wouldnt care. You think what you want, and ill think what i want. It has no effect over my life in the end.
But he was absolutly joking, he didnt insult her directly, and if she wasnt so short tempered she wouldnt have walked away looking like a fool.
@yourleftnut, and if you think that woman is for equality, you are wrong. She wants to be more equal then men. Try listening to some of the horrible shít shes said about men. And yet not one man said this is outrageous, and you know why? Because crazy guys kill people. Crazy girls become fake femeists
@Duncan5769, I was going to come up with something witty/intellectual to reply with, but it's not worth my time. You're being too literal, and not taking both sides of the argument into account, you're only trying to knock me down at this point. If it makes you feel high and mighty, I concede defeat, but only because you aren't worthy of my time, and I simply don't care to waste any more of it
@yourleftnut, ah yes. Like a true femenist. Doesnt do literal, and victimizes themselves
@yourleftnut, I have actually seen the full debate/interview and she had that coming
@Duncan5769, ah yes, spoken like a true bigot. Picks on the little details, ignores the big picture, and still has to have the last laugh, even after the dust has settled. I can practically see the gears in your head spinning, squeaking out "yes, he concedes defeat, now to say something I've already said before, but with more detail!". I'm going to bed, so fvck you, and have a nice night.
@yourleftnut, How is this bigotry?
*claims hes a feminist*
*Gets easily offended*
*Prooves this meme correct.
@another Aussie, that's great, but he didn't have insult every feminist alive.
@yourleftnut, You seem to be ignoring the fact that feminism is a political ideology. So you can't say that insulting feminism is the same as insulting sports fans or anime fans.
@Duncan5769, I didn't claim I was a feminist, aßwipe, I said I might be one. And no, I'm not a feminist, since it doesn't stand for true equality. if anything, I'm an equalist, but it's not a fitting title, since I'm pretty sure it's current meaning has something to do with communism
@yourleftnut, hey guys! I found the feminist
@yourleftnut, "and you know what maybe i am one of them" were you exact words when I said youre souning like an extremist feminist.
And if you knew shít about shít, you'd know femanisim is about equality for ALL genders. So you'd still be a femanisit just not a femanazi
@Duncan5769, "maybe" and "actually" aren't the same fvcking thing. And if you knew shīt about shīt, while feminism claims to be about equality for all genders, it's mostly about women's rights, and at this point, it's more and more about a forced equality for women on a basis of men having better privileges for certain things, but very little to nothing to do with men being equal to women when it comes to women having better privileges on other things.
@yourleftnut, you're an idiot
@The Common Shaman, I AM?? OH NO!! MY LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!! there, you happy? Make you feel good?
you really implied you were a femanist when you said that line.
And yes femanisim does mainly focus on womans rights but the definition of it is "the believe in gender equality for the sexes" While they fight to make rape be taken more seriously (which is made hard by feminazis claiming everything is rape) and many other thing invlolving womans rights,they also fight for mens right. Like how when men vote they have to sign a selctive service cars pretty much making them elegable for the draft while woman do not. (Not that im advocating we sraft woman, just that we stop drafting) Woman get to choose about parenthood. They can abort it, give it up for adoption without even telling the father, or even surrendwr the baby and are freed of all legal obligation of it. But a guy knocks a woman up by mistake and he doesnt want it because he cant afford it and she has it anyways, that man is going to be paying thousands because of that. And there are femenists fighting those issues right now
@The Common Shaman, well that's good, because I don't give a shīt what you think, dīckwipe.
@yourleftnut, you're proving everybody else's point, and the point of the picture. You're pathetic.
@yourleftnut, says the one who keeps acknowledging all these comments. Sure, you don't give a shīt. But we both know that's not true
@The Common Shaman, I'm pathetic? You're being so pathetic, you feel the need to call other people pathetic. But like I said, I don't care what you think of me, but your going to say it anyways, because "I'm" the pathetic one, and "I'm" the idiot
@yourleftnut, oh fück off you lefty. You kind of people are unable to take a joke. That is the problem with the left nowadays, they don't know how to have an argument. You kind of people just shout racist or bigotry when your presented with a subject you don't know how to come back from. At least back in the day people from the left were actually capable of justifying their points of view without pepper spraying people in the face.
@yourleftnut, You keep claiming bigotry, but I've yet to see it anywhere. So where is it? Are you implying that making fun of feminism is bigotry now? Since it's a political ideology, that'd mean that making fun of Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, Nazis, etc. should also be considered bigotry.
@yourleftnut, are you close enough to have an aneurism yet? I'd like to put you out of your suffering for yours, and everybody else's sake
@Alexander E Jones, ha, lefty. Considering I'm "yourleftnut". But to be frank, I'm uneducated in the affairs of "right vs. Left" politics, so almost none of that made sense to me. And obviously, I do know how to have have an argument, considering I did just have one for about an hour (without pepper spraying anyone) and I also know how to look at both sides of an argument when making a counterargument. Notice how I didn't resort to petty insults in the middle (*ahem* like someone did) of it. My arguments, if I feel the need to have a serious one, mostly conform to logos, rather than ethos or pathos. He was using mostly pathos just to piss me off (which I will admit he did) rather than have a serious argument. He even changed the subject at the end, which, in his attempt to seem superior, contradicted a lot of what he said innitially.
@CriTiKa1, making fun of anyone is bigotry. Making fun of [noun] is to belittle said [noun], making that person seem bigger (in a sense). He used ethos at several points to make me feel insignificant, and to make him seem better. "Wtf. Now you're sounding like one of them" and "ah yes. Like a true feminist. Doesn't do literal, and victimizes themselves" are just two examples. I'm trying to have an actual argument, and he's just trying to make petty remarks, like it's below him to actually try.
@The Common Shaman, "but like I said, I don't care what you think of me, but your going to say it anyways, because "I'm" the pathetic one, and "I'm" the idiot"
@yourleftnut, and I still got you coming back. Ironic
@The Common Shaman, true. I'm sure you'll tire yourself out eventually, after, like, 2, maybe 3 more useless comments. It's just amusing to me that while you act high and mighty about me replying back to you, your still excited for my reply. I'm toying with you, but you let me. You want me to. You crave my attention. You could prove me wrong by not replying, but I know you will. Only difference is, this will be my last comment. Or is it?
@yourleftnut, whatever you want to tell yourself
@yourleftnut, I thought you were going to bed a long time ago?
@towelbot, well, I was, but obviously my emotions got the better of me. But that's rather obvious, isn't it?
@yourleftnut, I understand. Emotions can suck sometimes. I'd suggest trying to just take a deep breath anyway and forget it. Maybe get back into it in the morning. Never underestimate a good nights rest!
@towelbot, true dat, homey, true dat
@yourleftnut, let the anger grip you! Give in to the left side. Soon you will see that anyone who disagrees with you is... a... wait for it... say it with me now, I know you want to... they are FASCIST SCUM!!!!!
@yourleftnut, bro, didn't you say you were going to bed like an hour ago? Just go to sleep, but apply aloe to the burned areas before you do. Otherwise you might get blisters.
@yourleftnut, I can feel the fedoras emanate from you.
@yourleftnut, please see my response above to Docdoolittle regarding your classification of "faux-feminists". Unfortunately there is not such a thing. There are feminists who are reasonable and feminists who are not, but they are all feminists. Just like how all Christians are Christians regardless of if they self identify as Lutheran or Baptist or Catholic or whatever.
The problem with feminism, and this is a problem that you clearly share, as evidenced by your comments on here, is the tightly held belief that someone being offended is cause to censor whatever offended them. This is extremely childish thinking. Confronting the things that offend us and understanding them gives us an opportunity to learn. But feminists have gotten it into their heads that their feelings trump other people's rights and I am not alone in denouncing that ideal.
No topic is off limits for conversation, and no topic is off limits to joke about. Freedom of Speech is important to me, and while you are free
to disagree with something someone says, and you're even free to be offended by it, you are NOT free to remove their freedom to say it.
The idea that you equate ridicule with bigotry is infantile. The notion that people should not be allowed to mock something they don't agree with or find disreputable, like double standard spewing feminists, is silly. Free speech isn't about being free to speak as long as you don't bother anybody. It's about being free to share feelings and ideas FREELY.
Besides, both you and this lady are buying into the stereotype. Prove it wrong! Dismiss it like an adult and move on. THAT'S the proper response, not indignant rage.
@yourleftnut, First off, you clearly have no idea what bigotry is. Second, feminism isn't a person. It's an ideology, as I've stated multiple times. The joke he made was making fun of the ideology. Are all the people that have joked about Trump or Clinton bigots? Are jokes about Nazism bigoted?
@I Are Lebo, thank you for so eloquently stating what every rational person on here reading this is thinking
@nothingofimport, it was my pleasure. I'm sick of assholes like this yourleftnut who think THEY should be allowed to say whatever they want, but that other people shouldn't be allowed to say this. Or this. Or that. Or that other thing. Or that....
They don't understand that if they ever won their fight, we all lose. The moment you ban a word from being allowed to be spoken, you create a precedent to allow another group to ban words THEY don't like. Then very quickly you lose the freedom of speech because speech becomes a minefield of things you simply aren't allowed to say.
There are many things one probably should not say, but there must never be things that you can not say.
@I Are Lebo, i think youeleftnut will have to change his account after this
@yourleftnut, I hope that you will respond to me because I am not trying to harass you or belittle you. I am trying to get you to see WHY your stance is incorrect so that we can achieve some form of harmonious agreement. Without learning and expanding our points of view, we will never grow as people. So if you have a counter argument for why my point of view is incorrect I urge you to share it.
I will not mock you or insult you.
@big freedom, late reply, but that was very well put and quite nicely sums up a big chunk of the argument for freedom.
Me and you disagree on a number of issues, but I think we mostly agree about freedom.
@yourleftnut, I have to admit, I'm quite disappointed. Unlike some others on this thread I have not insulted you in any way beyond downvoting those of your comments that I particularly disagreed with. I welcome you to counter my arguments with arguments of your own. Debate and discourse are opportunities for learning each other's points of view and perspective breeds wisdom.
But seriously, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I said.
Lol. We stopped at 666 up votes.
The hero that we deserve
I am so tired of all the anti feminism propaganda. "Oh I'm FunnyPics, I hate femanism I'm so edgy!"
The best thing I've ever seen on this app!
"I won't be on your show again if you don't let me respond to that"
@The Lord of the shjt i meant to upvote this not downvote
I think I have a crush on him
I have a fetish of blasting on feminist faces. It's really hard to come by