As someone from California: yeah pretty much
Wait I thought CA was relatively normal. Unless you are talking about economy size, agricultural production, or not being florida.
@Runnin with scissors, CA has occasionally had a single thought opposing the concept of GUNS EAGLES MILITARY OIL YEEHAW so they will never be truly accepted by the rest of America
@YUNoJump, yes the state has that stance but it hasn’t detrimentally destroyed the state or caused chaos. People still own plenty of fire arms just not in fully automatic, those who owned them before the north Hollywood shoot out were bonded in, and I know many people who still don’t follow the laws and modify their weapons. We’re not anti oil but we have air quality problems that were very bad given the state was designed to be a car culture way of living. I don’t believe we are going to ever be completely off gasoline cars for a while but I don’t see what wrong having a newer car that has more power and saves more gas than they were ever designed back twenty years ago. We have six major military bases in Southern California alone and an aerospace industry that caters to the military so I don’t buy that part of being against the military.
@megamanx181x, fully automatic weapons are regulated under the NFA, and no new automatic is supposed to be obtainable for an average citizen after the 1986 ban. Lockheed Martin is leaving California. The utter lack of firearm knowledge from the legislature, it's impossible to obtain some of the safest and most common firearms on the market because of this. The firearms in used in that shootout we're illegally modified, and federally illegal. There is a $100 annual tax on electric cars set to start in 2020, plus loss of eletric car incentives.
@Jakobian, your right and to my knowledge they don’t sell them but those who like their guns and want to stay in California find their ways around it just like anyone else. On that matter I think it’s personal preference how much you want to deal with the laws, in any cases I openly respect people’s decisions on how they want to tolerate it and move on. Lockheed is just one major manufacturer, I been working in aerospace for the last 12 years and there will always be a California branch. Boeing and Northrop are not going to leave the state entirely because that’s a logistic nightmare. Yes some facilities are closing but there will be some sticking around. Hence I prefer to work in supply shops then the main buyer. I blame the electric car incentives cause the state wants to upgrade public transportation. Personally I’ll vote to end that cause it’s still not going to motivate most people to use it. What other weapons besides handguns, shotguns do you need that aren’t safe enough to buy?
@megamanx181x, most of the safer handguns are illegal to sell in California. There are people who hunt for a living, and thus need rifles. Many farmers and ranchers across the US use the ArmaLite AR-15 platform for keeping their stock safe from wolves, coyotes, foxes, etc.
@Jakobian, I understand that but that’s not a handgun, that’s a rifle. I know that’s a whole separate issue and I agree with that people who live in more rural areas need those weapons but you kind of confused me as to why you would group that rifle under safer “handguns”. I don’t understand why that would prevent newer models of handguns from being sold in California that have these what I assume newer safety features being here. Wouldn’t the issue with a handgun being no double stack magazines?
@megamanx181x, any new handgun model designed after 2014 must have microstamping in two separate locations on the casing to be considered for acceptance onto the California not unsafe handgun roster. Currently there is no safe and feasible way to comply to this; furthermore, California charges manufacturers to have their grandfathered models be available for continued sale. If all manufacturers suddenly decided to stop payment, no new handgun could be sold in California
@megamanx181x, also, it's not double stack that's the issue, they believe no normal civilian should need more than 10 rounds for self defense
@Jakobian, you're my hero. Mainly because I didn't have to type what you just said. California law has created a defacto ban on new handguns meaning in a few years there will be no new handguns sold in CA and the ones already here will slowly dwindle.
@Jakobian, fascinating, I never knew this. So what kind of handguns are gun shops selling then in the mean time?
@Jakobian, I can see the point to that as well, I agree on it but at the same time it’s seems to be dozens of factors depending on the situation and where you live and what may happen. One part is literally defending your home and another is being confronted by multiple people. Maybe you want need more than ten and maybe you do. Personally I don’t have the answers and I understand the logic for both sides but it is what it is. If you live in a frequent state of fear or violence that you need that many rounds to defend yourself maybe there’s a bigger problem overall. None the less maybe the laws should be divided depended on county instead.
@PoliticalOtters, well that just ain’t right if a basic handgun can’t be properly manufactured and sold. I’m going to look more into that cause while I’m not a huge gun person I do believe the minimum should be allowed and properly purchased.
@megamanx181x, look up "handgun roster The CalGuns Foundation" they do a pretty good job of explaing the de facto handgun ban
@megamanx181x, Glock released Gen 5 G17s and G19s not too long ago, we can only buy Gen 3. All Ruger handguns cannot be sold new. Updated Beretta M9s can't be sold new. It's a long list, but I hope you understand the point
@PoliticalOtters, thanks for the info, I’m starting to learn from others with different views on a smaller level. I prefer to know both sides as possible and I think it’s better by talking to person one on one.
@Runnin with scissors, California is kind of normal if you go really far north, the rest of America ignores socal and pretends it isn't there
@Runnin with scissors, they bitch about California because they can't stand the fact that progressive policies don't necessarily lead to financial ruin.
@megamanx181x, California isn’t frowned on because of their gun stance or oil use Texans mock the entire left coast because of the liberal approach to money. They have some of the most ridiculous taxes and social programs. For instance they will literally pay gang members not to kill people. That is actually in their budget and the only requirement to get money is not killing.
@Fac3pa1m, except they are leading to financial ruin! Driving business away and continuing to fund the absolute theft that is the “bullet train” along with hundreds of overlapping social welfare programs. The state is trying as hard as it can to be the first state to go bankrupt.
@YUNoJump, also it's legal to poo in the streets there,they give out free needles for drug addicts, and they allow illegal citizens to vote, as well as name parks and public places after a Mexican supremacist movements.
@BigJohnson86, that program is experimental for only one city up north, it’s not a widely standard social program. For what it’s worth it is working and the evolution of that is move gang members into getting their GED and eventual jobs. This is the actual description: The city is not paying $1.5 million out of its general fund to give stipends to gang members; the stipends are funded by private donations and it's not guaranteed that $1.5 million in stipends will be distributed. The city of Sacramento has contracted with a charitable organization in a pilot program aimed at ending gun violence; the city will provide $1.5 million in matching funds over three years to implement the program.
@big freedom, How do you become the world's 5th largest economy if you're driving business away? How do you go bankrupt with a $9 billion budget surplus? Try thinking for yourself sometime. California may not be perfect, but I'd rather live there than one of the impoverished conservative sh!thole states like Louisiana or Mississippi.
@BlazingBowman, if they're citizens then they're not illegal. That's kinda how that works.
@megamanx181x, first off you literally just contradicted yourself by admitting the city matches those funds. Secondly more than one city currently uses it and more are considering it. You copied the snopes article they did and even they can’t say it’s not true, but go find an interview with the mayor where they ask him. He admits they are literally paying them not to be violent. And the crime rates are currently lower but it goes up and down like it does in all cities peaking in 2015 after the programs inception. The idea that it works or doesn’t work is irrelevant to me though. Try telling Texans they have to pay people to not rob them. Let me know how well it goes
@Fac3pa1m, Because of the location and lucky circumstance that led Silicon Valley being where it is. CA is what it is in SPITE of the liberal policies. The budget surplus is bûllshît! The bullet train will cost $100BILLION before it’s done and it’ll never be done. Unfunded pension liability that’s about to become due will dwarf the cost of the bullet train.
No new water storage built since 1970’s and the population has doubled. Weird.
Live wherever you want. I escaped from CA this year because I’m sick of single party control that is literally making the state a banana republic.
@BigJohnson86, no your right I contradicted myself because I hadn’t realized it spread and being tested outside of Richmond but it’s a matching with private donors. The program is obviously working but it involves social working for these people. Vice did an episode on it and it’s shown to be positive but as I said before his only represents a small portion of California in general. I wouldn’t believe this would work in Los angles in bigger neighborhoods. Secondly why would anyone tell Texas to do that? I mean if that municipal wants to experiment with the program in some cities in its own state then that’s their deal? Idk if am missing something here but I don’t recall seeing people pushing this topic onto other states.
@Fac3pa1m, when someone makes $150k/year and not afford the cost of living.
When SF has turned the entire city into a crack den with shît, literally human shît, on the streets, when 1/3 of the state would rather succeed than remain. Somethings wrong.
time for think for you to start thinking for yourself. Get out of the confirmation bias bubble you’ve trapped yourself in and open your eyes to reality.
@megamanx181x, there we go AGAIN WITH OBVIOUSLY WORKING. I don’t disagree with a social program focused on employing gang members(effectively) to get them off the streets. I disagree with taking city money and giving it to charity. If they don’t need it they shouldn’t be taking it and encouraging people to donate themselves.
The Texas comment was meant to address the pic because it’s an example of the rest of the country looking at California as though they’re insane because that’s what started this.
@BigJohnson86, well... what can we do if that’s what they want to do? I mean sure to some it looks like a good thing and others it doesn’t. Now I’m starting to understand why some people want the state divided from north and south so they handle things differently. I didn’t think that tiny program was being blown up on the news out of state and well I honestly don’t care. Richmond is a small city that’s heavily minority and struggling with crime, if it’s works great if not oh well. I just think the news should be more specific on the actions one city does is not a reflection of the entire state. For me I don’t like in L.A. we had a gas tax that is being used to expand public transportation that no one is going to use. I rather see that money go toward the homeless and the mentally ill that are now in many major cities.
@megamanx181x, Fox was never gonna pass on the chance to mock California over something that sounds so dumb. To be fair that’s not even the dumbest tax imo. San Francisco gives out free needles to junkies and now has such a bad problem with needles downtown that it’s 18 peoples full time job to pick up used needles.
@BigJohnson86, I’m guessing they are copying Amsterdam or some other euro country that gives clean needles in order to reduce HIV spreading about drug addicts. Honestly there are so many ways in trying to handle this and neither works: we send them to prison and we waste money and space when they should be in rehab, no one wants to open mental hospitals and clinics to help them, they don’t want to be helped and continue their spiral and some innocent people get affected by robbery or assault. to so what else is there? Be Vlad the impaler and just kill them off and start clean? Can’t win at anything and seriously I’m sick and tired from BOTH sides of the media attacking every state for every policy and action. Let’s be the true American we are and not give a shvt about anyone or anything other then ourselves and live in our respective states and cities where we feel comfortable.
@megamanx181x, my solution has always been privatized prisons. If you want rehab you should be required to turn yourself in. Forgiveness has to be earned and being sorry only after you’re caught isn’t earning it. The arguments against that are that they’re in humane and don’t work. And my response is have you been to a current prison? They’re terrible places already and don’t work. This at least will save billions of dollars every year
@BigJohnson86, my cousin works as a correctional officer and my view is there are many that deserve to be in there and rot. There are others than made dumb mistakes that if they dont get a second chance they will repeat the mistakes again and go back right in preventing some piece of garbage from being there longer due to over crowding. Since we have to be humane as were a democracy a lot of these scum bags have to be given health care and other services they don’t deserve. Try to convince the government to take their control away from prisons without the over sight that things are going south and you have people complaining. Idk anymore, I just wish things where back the way they were we didn’t get into other states way of doing things. Everyone is a critic and unhappy and wants to start a debate about everything.
@Fac3pa1m, do a quick google search for “least business friendly state” let me know what you come up with.
@Fac3pa1m, did I say citizens? I said illegal immigrants. And not just through legal shikanari either. They voted on a bill that would allow illegal immigrants participate in school board elections.
@megamanx181x, you seem to want to give almost everyone a second chance but you’re forgetting that you’re supposed to earn them. I’ve got no problem with simple things like decriminalizing pot or given first offenders on misdemeanors a chance to repent before prison. Things like military service at least a boot camp style system would give them a chance to deserve a second chance. A lot of volunteer work through halfway houses is another viable concept. But to say felons deserve a chance without paying the price is akin to giving them permission. Prison overcrowding would be helped the most by people not committing crimes. That’s the part some people forget. It’s nice to say that overcrowding is bad but let’s not act like they didn’t do something and don’t deserve to be punished. Privatized prisons in my version would be anyone with parole in the next 10 years and people with more than that left or lifers are separated from them. gets rapists and murderers away from those less violent
@BigJohnson86, 5he philippines model, when I was in Iloilo, there was a huge sign that said drug addicts and mules, you have been warned, turn yourself in or be shot.
@BigJohnson86, not everyone, and of course they all did something to warrant being there. Some have the willing to want to reform and some can’t see that that option is available to them. They must serve their sentence but at the same time those who can and want to get services for emotional help and good standings to get a job once they leave the prison should have that offered. Not many prisons do so as the approach is just stay and do your time, some people are mentally not aware there are options to them or believe they can change. Of course there are many that will never change and be there forever and that’s their problem. I read the pros and cons of privatization but I don’t think given the way corporations work you will be able to make the changes needed. They won’t pay correctional officer a good wage to house super violent and dangerous offenders. Violence in those prisons could be much higher which can result in lawsuits for not trying to stop it.
@megamanx181x, no I want feds to have the super violent. I want companies to run those that stand any decent sort of chance to be reformed to work. You keep talking about us giving them second chances cuz they want them. They need to EARN THEM. A system where we take first time offenders and offer them what would amount to bring a military reservist which comes with boot camp and the 1 week a month 2 weeks a year will let them earn a second chance. It also gives them a small wage health benefits and college assistance. It also gives them drug testing to keep them honest. If they can’t meet this with everything being offered then they aren’t gonna change with anything we can give them. Privatized prisoners will become acclimated to a conventional job but not have any of the perks that job is supposed to get you. It punishes them, helps society by lowering costs, and gives them a chance at redemption. Most of the jobs we can give them are farmed overseas so it’s not firing people either
@BigJohnson86, I agree with what your saying just ok confused what you mean by earning them. If they are already doing the time and they are asking to be enrolled in whatever program/service to get better is that not enough? Sorry if you repeat yourself I’m trying to understand where the earning part comes in vs they are asking to be part of the improvement.
@megamanx181x, you want people currently doing time to not have to be there because they’ll just became more bitter and likely to go back to crime. I say you don’t just let them out and have proposed various options to reform/punish them so they can deserve a second chance. You’ve done nothing but say we need mental hospitals for addicts and that there are prisoners who don’t need to be in there . You can’t say we need change and not have a plan. That’s called whining. Everything you think is wrong you need to make a plan to actually fix it. Then debate it with people who disagree to find the flaws and fix those. That’s how you can actually help change things.
@BigJohnson86, I get that but I am still confused what you mean by earning the help. I can explain myself in more detail and reiterate: regardless of the crime you have to serve your time, depending on the nature of the crime and the individual that shows they are capable of reform and not repeating offenses I believe they should be told there are options for them to use in prison to give them a chance to be better citizens once they leave. I am aware and know there are MANY who will not qualify for this, some individuals have behavioral problems in which simply being locked up won’t rehabilitate them but they still need to do their time regardless. Some MIGHT be reformed with mental health services while many others will not. I am not saying for them to just be pulled out of the prisons and not pay for the crime. There is SOME cases that just being in a cell won’t correct them because they have bigger issues. I agree with you that a private prison for low level crimes is better.
@megamanx181x, what services do you want to offer? Most prisons will let you earn a GED and you can even do some college correspondence classes. When paroled (early for good behavior) you get a basic (although largely ineffectual) network to help with job search. They will help identify jobs that won’t care as much about your criminal past. How much more help do you wanna give them? My requirements for earning this level we currently have are to complete your time in prison where good behavior gets out early and then actively trying to stay away from crime. You seem to want to give them more for less and that’s not earning it to me.
@BigJohnson86, ok now I understand your view point, thank you for clarifying that. Not all prisons offer those programs, and of course a lot of rests on choice if they want to. To go in a personal matter I had a cousin who went to prison for drugs and attempted assault, he did his time but the other problem is he has issues. Issues that continue to cloud his judgment and anger problems. Had he not gotten counseling/mental services that were offered to him he probably be a lot worst. Not all prisons are run the same way and if the options are not present then some will fall again and go back in. I believe in the preventative approach of trying to explain to those that have the potential to benefit from it. I believe that some can prevent committing crimes if they continue to seek mental health services while trying to find a job and integrate back into society. Some of them relapse because they can’t find a job or a decent one, and other have mental problems to repeat offenses.
@megamanx181x, I’m not positive but I believe prisons are required to provide educational services. I know juvie is. And preventative services require the individual to want them. I’m fine with massively reduced time for people that turn themselves in and request help. That shows a desire to change that should be rewarded. But other than the basic health services offered I don’t support the cost associated with helping people who don’t want to change. Wanting to change when you’re being punished is a 4 year olds tactic. I don’t believe it from prisoners either. You have 1 cousin who did it. Almost my entire family has done time for drugs. None of us changed until we had a come to Jesus moment and some of them are still finding it. If you think most people aren’t that way you need to go talk to some
@BigJohnson86, I never said to offer it those who can’t or won’t ever change, i iterate that several times those people are lost causes. I said many times there a bunch of people who will never leave the prison and that’s their problem. Look man I am not arguing to reform everyone, some people are literally lost causes that deserve to really be in a hole and just die off. But we do have something of a problem where mental health services are looked over and not taken seriously to be benefit. Of course it also comes down to for that person to seek the help as well, but I don’t think it hurts to have social workers find the potential in those who can benefit from it. Either they resist and say no (then f them) and others might realize it is good for them. I agree with a lot of things you say just not every prison offer the same things. Education services are cheaper than counseling/mental services. Im sorry wasting your time on such pointless stuff, I’m going back to just funny comments
@megamanx181x, you have repeatedly said that, but you haven’t defined who you think can be reformed. You haven’t figured out how to pay for it. And you haven’t put any limits on it. You just have the idea that there are people who need help. That’s great but not terribly useful.
@BigJohnson86, of course I don’t have the idea on how to pay for it, if I wanted to make this my life issue I could have that information. All I have is ideas and ideas that need to be deconstructed, audited, evaluated, price tag slapped and whatever else that needs to be explained. I’m not an expert and we were just talking out loud, I didn’t even think I let my mind go into over drive talking about this on a comedy app. Did you honestly expect me to have that detailed of an explanation??
@megamanx181x, yes I do. I don’t state anything political without being prepared to defend it. I said it earlier but I’ll say it again. If you want change but don’t have a plan it’s called whining. If you think people won’t get on you for whining you’re either not very bright or your friends are way too nice. I’ve written papers on prison and welfare reform. It’s why I’m comfortable discussing it. You don’t see me getting into it on topics I don’t have an idea about for that reason
@BigJohnson86, well that explains a lot. Dude I’m not whining if I had any idea that was your passion and you have already written papers on it I would have kept it to myself. This entire time I was assuming this was just a normal conversation, then again I don’t know you personally and I wasn’t expecting to change your mind on the topic. I’m just talking out loud, I’m obviously not a person of authority on the matter but I thought this entire conversation was just open forum. Look I respect you for your knowledge because I did learn some stuff from you but maybe you want to lead into the part where you already an authority on it? If I had the time and effort to do more on the subject I would but all this was just an opinion not an attempted pitch or dissertation. Or were you getting off on seeing me make a fool of myself to test on your knowledge?
@megamanx181x, it is open forum, but I’m unsure why you feel like you aren’t gonna get crushed for talking without knowing. I’m in no way an authority nor it is a passion of mine. I’m an engineer not a political scientist. Writing papers on something in college on theoretical changes to prison system doesn’t make you an expert. If me being an expert was all that was required to change your mind your opinion wasn’t good enough to begin with. The thing I “get off” on is having productive debate. My solutions have their own problems not all of which I managed to figure out. Your ideas never got flushed out because you don’t want to do the research, which is fine, but you’ve been arguing with me all day when you could’ve solidified your own ideas in your head then presented them to be critiqued. There would’ve been a discussion on the merits and flaws exposed to potentially be solved. Saying there’s a problem without proposing a solution is whining.You’re the one who started down this road
@BigJohnson86, of course I started this road and I’m owning up to that. Personally I don’t like try to get in over my head on things I’m not fully detailed on, your not an expert but you already have a head start on the matter cause you wrote a paper on it. I haven’t written a paper in ten years and my pursue on additional knowledge is based on how much more I need to know. Maybe cause this is text that i couldn’t understand the tone on what we’re getting at but I accept the blame. I wasn’t honestly arguing with you as my form of discussion usually doesn’t get that nitty gritty into detail but then again I shouldn’t assume anything anymore when it comes to politics. Again my fault cause I assumed the conversation to be one way. I haven’t changed my mind but I have been enlighten on some aspects I never read before and I thank you for that. Maybe cause I find you funny in past comments that I wanted to show some idea of the subject
@megamanx181x, what you need to do is look up prison reform and education statistics. Then determine your personal line for reform and get an expected number of people to reform. Then look up salary for social workers and therapists and math out how much you need for your program based on how many you need. Then find a slice of the pie to cut that pays for it or find a creative tax. This is an hour maybe 2 worth of google research plus however long it takes to crystallize your own thoughts. I encourage everyone to speak their mind but you always gotta remember every idea isn’t a good one. Everyone has bad ideas that get crushed so anytime you pitch a concept your opening yourself up to it
@BigJohnson86, I get the variables required to work it out, but as I said before I wasn’t expecting to sale the approach or present it that way. I underestimated where I’m at and who you are that subjects like this you expect technical and full answers that I wasn’t ready for. Yes not all ideas are good but I’m just use to having discussions explained from a theory level and not already math worked out level. I am aware of that any open discussion you can be critiqued, I’m 32 I’m well aware of getting my ass handed to me if I’m not ready to walk the walk. I think my ideas are still right and so are yours but that’s where we have our differences of opinions which I respect. Sorry for the mess of a time.
@Fac3pa1m, and I almost forgot! CA has decriminalized crime! Crime in SF has become so rampant that entire organizations will not come back for their annual conferences.
Oh, that’s right... it’s only for “non violent crimes” right? But let’s see, what exactly constitutes a “non violent crime” now in CA? raping a drugged or unconscious victim, intimately touching someone who is unlawfully restrained, incest, pimping a minor, indecent exposure and possessing child pornography.
Source. Prop 57, and the LA Times
Seriously. How can you still defend them?
Oh that’s what Florida looks like?
@jdopps13, no the country looks at Florida like that special cousin you have and you just kinda let him do his own thing. California keeps trying to tell everyone to be like them when literally no one off that coast wants to do
California is crack
@Dephenistrator, no, but sometimes it seems like the people running it are practically ODing on it
@Jakobian, how so? Unless you live in a crappy part of ANY city I don’t see how California is doing bad.
@Dephenistrator, how so?
@megamanx181x, my family and I used to live in silicon valley, until we were priced out of the area. My dad's a software engineer for an advertising company, he's on the team that designs solutions for their internal customer databases and servers, backend not front. One of the cities, I believe Cupertino, passed an ordinance that no building my have bay or garage door facing El Camino Real. The governing body of the state believe that banning something for aesthetics and ergonomics, without changing basic function, is logical. The continuesly ignore the supremacy clause of the US Constitution. They have shown contemplating for the maximum possible evolution of technology, by legislating that, before they can be sold, certain object have yet uninvented technology that would potentially take decades to anywhere near feasible. Having a debt that rivals some countries. Highest povety rate in US. Businesses are leaving because of over taxation.
@megamanx181x, just look at this, I'm not sure if it's all true, but a lot of it is.
@Jakobian, well that’s a huge difference compared to Los Angeles county, I understand where your coming from cause I in a small city where our homes are considered historic and they dictate how we can improve aesthetics of our homes. Im sorry that your situation is obviously much worst but the fact that Cupertino caters to the technology industry like that is the reason why the state has high revenue. It’s not fair or right but you go anywhere else it’s the basis of everything: money talks. Anaheim where Disneyland is located is pushed around and gives tax breaks to the mouse because they want something from the tourists and park goers vs not getting much. Yes you are right that both people and some business are leaving the state but for what leaves others come in and fill the gap. I think every state has its own niche in industry and some things are not going to last or meant to. Just like everything in life some parts work out and others don’t.
@Jakobian, I do agree that the poverty rate we are at is because housing is too expensive. Idk how if ever the state can find a way to balance it but I’m that happy to vote the appropriate laws to make it better. I believe California just doesn’t work out for those without some kind of degree or the right skill set to have steady work. Weren’t not doing that bad but there are states far worst but none the less it’s like any other state: some people benefit and some don’t. Not fair and not right but that’s the struggle of finding a decent place to live based on your job skills.
@Jakobian, well right there what you said is a bit bias, your not sure if it’s true and already you feel burned by the way the state is going. Believe me I feel bad for you that your not benefiting from the state here but I gotta ask, why are you still here? You seem like a smart enough guy with an idea where you feel better off and happier, why stay in California then? Millions of people go thru this where based on their views and life style are probably going to move somewhere it’s better for them. You make it sound like California is supposed to be at this level where everyone is doing well and that’s not possible anywhere. Yea I’m not happy with how expensive it is to live here especially since I just got a home recently at the help of my parents but I’m doing ok. I know many others are not but if you can’t find a better solution for yourself why make yourself angry and stick around here?
@megamanx181x, I said I do not know if it is all true, but I have researched many of these and found them to be mostly accurate. I am a college student living with my parents, they refuse to leave California. I personally would prefer to see California go through a Reformation and put it's citizens at the top of it's priorities rather than profit. And before you say anything, yes I would like the US to do the same. Just lookup Californias election process for electing a governer, it's unbalanced and flooded with Democrats. If no dissenting party can gain power, what is it called
@Jakobian, well I notice the site you referenced is very right wing orientated. If you want a neutral view on things I don’t thing it helps to research sites that lean specifically to your views. If I went and googled information just from a liberal point of view I will find facts that benefit me and we be in an endless argument about who is right and wrong. Well it’s not unbalanced because that’s what the people vote for, there are more democrats than republican and that why it’s still a democratic state. I wouldn’t argue the same thing that happens in other states that always has the same political party winning all the time. That’s just the culture and majority of anywhere you go. San Antonio has a lot liberals there but still wins as republican, but people learn to live with it and stay there. If your parents want to stay that will prevent you from leaving the state after college? Or you depend on them right now during your studies that you can’t move our right now?
@megamanx181x, my research was conducted before I found this list, I actively looked for a list that had everything I had found, which is why I said I was not sure about all points on the list. It is something I will be studying further, though
@Jakobian, good for you man and hey remember one thing: I wish for you to find happiness. I’m sorry this state isn’t working out for you as individual and me and others who have a different political view don’t take pleasure in seeing yourself like this. The only thing I see now is this country is never really united, we have many places to live in that will better cater our beliefs and wants. It shouldn’t be that way but having different demographics and cultures will do that. Try not to be too upset right now cause I am assuming your young in college. Make the best of it and when you have your degree and job opportunities go and find the place that makes you feel like it’s Home. Granted many of us won’t leave and tolerate the way the area is but genuinely I hope you you succeed and find that right place that brings out the best in you.
What do any of the states know about normal?!?! The only normal one here is Puerto Rico, and he’s not even a state, yet!
Coffee (among everything else) now causes cancer in California specifically
The Babadook must be Florida then
I left CA this year. So fûcking happy to be gone. As soon as that unfunded pension liability comes due, I’ll still be forced to pay their taxes, since all of the other states will be forced to bail-out CA.
@big freedom, congratz! Im still here for now. One day ill escape to Alaska maybe.
All I’ll say is California is like the 3rd Reich of recycling. I have never had to sift through so much trash to separate the trash into the respective recyclables it’s madness
Is this that sh*t from Babadook
Guys does anybody know a site where i can check rent prices or the like state to state?
@injit, apartment finder, Craig’s list, Zillow. It’s not going to give you state wide numbers tho, that wouldn’t help you. Find a town where you want to live/work, and check the local prices.
@big freedom, thank you.