Does The Incredible Hulk not exist
@MrWonka, not technically in the MCU
The Incredible Hulk: am I a joke to you?
@MrWonka, fantastic four 2 waits in the distance
@MrWonka, if we don’t acknowledge it, it doesn’t exist. It can’t hurt us.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, The Incredible Hulk was the second MCU movie,right after Iron Man, which is why Tony Stark makes a cameo in the mid credits scene. The first Hulk movie was considered to be a non MCU movie, since the second one was a soft reboot.
In a manner of speaking, it was The Suicide Squad, as opposed to Suicide Squad.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, actually, it is officially a part of the MCU, confirmed out of universe by Feigie and in universe by its inclusion in What If.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, technically speaking, The Suicide Squad and Suicide Squad could both exist in the same timeline. Nothing in the second one directly contradicted anything from the first one.
@MrWonka, No. He was in your head all along. It wasn't your fault, Natasha, you need to let him go.
If we're talking MCU, Thor Dark World is pretty garbage, along with Iron Man 3...
@Pastry Pirate, nah iron man 2 sucks but 3 is redeemable
SPOILERS: Am I the only one who actually thought it wasn’t good? Just felt messy to me, not great pacing, some small plot holes, confusing concept of Ta Lo (where is it? On earth? In a different universe? Through a portal?), forced comedic relief via awkwafina, no explanation what abomination was doing there, I still don’t get why the pendants were so important, etc. I really liked some parts of it like the dad, Shang Chi as a character and the actor I liked. Cool fight scenes and things to come from this, I just didn’t love it as a movie. Maybe I just have never been into kung foo movies? Idk. Comment, I’d love to discuss.
Edit: more thoughts, that black and white masked character was also pointless yet was built up as like a main villain in some promos, weird. And I think that it’s goal of being pretty stand alone and not so linked to the rest of the MCU can work for non-MCU fans, but as someone who’s watched all of them, I always like to see that get worked in more.
@heybruh, I agree. The cinematography was good and the choreography was excellent, but other than that, the movie was nothing special.
The biggest problem for me is Sean himself (I will refer to him as that since practically no one actually refers to him as Shang Chi during the whole movie). Sean has no personality. He has no life goals, nothing he is working towards, no aspirations or worries. He is a passive protagonist, moved by the story instead of moving it. His friend was a similar blank slate, contributing nothing to the actual plot beyond a deus ex shot during the finale that would have been an impossible shot for anyone less skilled with a bow than Legolas, made in one try by a young woman with zero combat experience who had only first picked up a bow the day before.
The writing was pretty bad, and the story is too busy, with just way too many subplots.
Other than the inclusion of Wong at the end and at the fight arena, the one reference to the snap, and Abomination’s
one minute cameo appearance, there isn’t anything to tie the movie to the rest of the MCU. It feels very off theme.
As an action/sci fi movie, it was okay. As a superhero movie, it was generic and basic. As an MCU movie, it’s one of the worse ones, though still better than Iron Man 2 or Captain Marvel.
The villain actually manages to be both less interesting than The Mandarin from Iron Man 3 (including the reveal), and also less entertaining than Trevor in this movie.
What they should have done was ditch Akwafina and just use Ben Kingsley as the comic relief character. He’s far better at it, and having both was too much.
Badass fight scenes, though. Razorfist was a stupid enemy but the dude pulled it off nicely. Probably for the best that they never actually said his name throughout the movie, they already played that gag out in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 with Tazerface.
@heybruh, SPOILERS: So I agree that the movie has a lot of flaws, but I think the positives outweigh those, at least for me (The pendants were needed to unlock the map to Ta Lo iirc). I was never bored watching it, but there was nothing that absolutely floored me. Except for that first scene with the demon and the masked Ten Rings member. That horrified me and I loved it lol
@I Are Lebo, right, I wouldn’t put it at the bottom of rankings, but it’s bottom 5-ish for me. It also felt similar to black panther (minority cast, introducing new characters/worlds, works as a stand alone, etc) yet black panther pretty much nailed it, showing that a movie like this can be great, this one just wasn’t. And didn’t the dad already know how to get to Ta Lo? The pendants just make a magic water map of it? And that was in real life China, right? Just casually using magic? I feel like other MCU movies better explained/backed up the use of “magic” or advanced science etc, this one was left more abstract
@heybruh, the pendants showed them the path to Ta Lo. Not sure how you missed that
@I Are Lebo, "nothing special" you mean like most marvel movies? They have great graphics but are pretty lame story wise. Lots of plot holes or forced comedy.
@heybruh, black panther was pretty awful story wise. Pretty cool cg though
@Runnin with scissors, I mean it sounds like you just aren’t a marvel fan if you don’t like most of them. Which is fine, but I am, so I think as far as marvel movies go black panther was certainly one of the better ones, also was received that way by critics and fans
@heybruh, I haven't seen it, however you aren't the first person I've heard say that.
@heybruh, fans and critics are a dumb metric to use given most just try to go with popular culture.
I can and will give you 10+ reasons black panther wasnt a good movie in terms of story. Same with most marvel movies. I will say I dont like them but only because they dont focus on making a good story. I dont like movies that rely on graphics and choreography to be appealing. It's not so much an opinion as much as a fact about them. None of the marvel movies have received a best picture oscar and instead have won: best makeup, best effects, best wardrobe, best production, and best music for a motion picture.
They dont have good stories in terms of lacking plot holes or character development.
They are very sub par in story especially compared to movies such as there will be blood, parasite, jojo rabbit, the kings speech, Lincoln, etc.
@Runnin with scissors, I mean nothing special when compared to the rest of the MCU.
I’ve enjoyed most of them. I like power fantasy, I enjoy superheroes, and I don’t need all of my content to be pushing the envelope.
But Shang Chi was almost aggressively mediocre. Bland characters, bland story, confused lore. Great fight scenes are the movie’s sole strength, and there aren’t enough of them to carry the movie.
@heybruh, honestly, I though Black Panther was pretty mediocre.
I have a lot of problems with Wakanda from a narrative perspective. For one thing, they’re an ethnostate. More so, a historically xenophobic ethnostate that has hoarded resources and technology while allowing their neighbouring countries to be impoverished and enslaved. Not a good look, especially considering Wakanda’s first outreach centres were put in America of all places.
I liked Killmonger. He was a good villain.
@Runnin with scissors, I don’t disagree with you on your critiques of Marvel movies, but your premise is flawed. While judging by fans and critics is a bad metric, so is going by Oscar wins. The Oscars are a popularity contest, and action films are typically snubbed by them regardless of the quality.
@I Are Lebo, that's fair. I was using Oscar's as a similar way of judging them that may be considered more prestigious than critics or fans which are also popularity contests.
I like the super power and scifi stuff but I tend to like the darker scifi genre which marvel lacks because I find it more compelling and realistic as if we actually had super heros in our world.
I strongly dislike the praise they get while being mediocre. Like even if it's really bad slap marvel on it and it will still make a huge profit. It kinda ruins the movie to not have to make a story and still be massively popular.
@I Are Lebo, I still have seen them all but I havent paid for one because I dont find any value in them. Kinda like pirates of the Caribbean 4.
@Runnin with scissors, they’re popcorn flicks, meant to entertain without challenging, stuff you don’t really have to think about after the film is over.
The key is all in the writing. You can have good popcorn flicks like The Guardians of the Galaxy or Edge of Tomorrow, but it requires a screenplay written by people who understand how to do comedy properly, as well as having actual character arcs.
All of the biggest waste of time movies all share the same narrative flaws, with passive protagonists, uninteresting characters that end the movie the same as they started it, and an antagonist whose motives are either unclear or nonsensical.
Dark or light are matters of preference, but quality writing is something any movie critic can recognize, whether or not they’ve had an actual education in film.
Shangchi actually looked good
Eternals is gonna be huge flop tho
I liked it but the comic relief character (Katie? Katy?) was more cringe than funny
@WickedStyx, *ahem* according to the toys, it’s Marvel’s Katy
Mr Kim secretly bought out an entire theatre to raise ticket sales.
Shang Chi a flop? Clearly you don't know that China makes up one of the largest markets for movies. And I forget why....but something tells me they'll especially like this one. Also I e heard it's really good.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, it really is. One of my fav MCU films
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, it is very good, but I heard China is offended by it? Idk if that will affect box office too much or if it's a vocal minority
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, I have never seen a marvel movie with well shot action like in Shang Chi- my brain is still trying to process it. I’d definitely go see it if you can for that reason alone.
@dandyhandy, I plan definitely plan to. Im never one to go see a movie when it first comes out because I hate a packed theater which also increases your chances on annoying people. And since there's not a huge line up of movies to come out like most summers, I'll probably give it a few weeks before I check it out.
@Mantis Tobaggan, Yeah apparently folks in China think Simu Liu and Awkwafina are ugly, and also they are not fans of Shang-Chi in general due to his nemesis in the comics (but not in the movie) being an offensive stereotype. Don't quote me on that though, I didn't get that from a reliable source.
@SimonPetrikov, Not just the folks in China. They both definitely aren’t that good looking, but the movie was legit
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, that’s smart. Tbh you’d probably enjoy just as much even if it was spoiled, so this one doesn’t have an expiration date.
@SimonPetrikov,I think the main reason is a interview from like 4 years ago in which Liu recalled his parents telling him living in Communist China was hell and that people were constantly dying of starvation and shjtty living conditions. Liu is Canadian born.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, they own so much and second biggest ethnicity? Or joke?
@dandyhandy, I will see it. My father has seen it and loves it, big marvel and DC movie fan in general
@SimonPetrikov, they were kind of ugly but that dilf tho.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, except China panned it. They do not like Shang Chi and aren’t fans of Disney no matter how hard they pander.
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, it doesn’t have a China release date
@Hot Coffee, if it still doesn’t have a release date, it’s because it’s not releasing there.
@I Are Lebo, yep
Shang what? Oh that’s right idgaf cause ALFRED MOLINA BABYYYY LETS GOOOOOOO
Sorry, but in truth the movie did well in the box office and had a 92%/98% rotten tomatoes score
I mostly heard that the “flop” was going to happen in/because of China. I heard it didn’t test well there. It currently has no China release date.
Didn’t black widow flop