“I want you to recreate the same nostalgic feeling I had from my childhood”
The fans weren't angry about Solo being made, per se. They were upset by how Lucasfilm was handling the criticism (now backlash) from the TLJ as well as news of certain creative decisions from the people working on it as well as the shill sites. I, for one, was actually pretty excited to hear about a Han Solo film in production before TLJ. H*ck I was even excited about a separate trilogy from RJ. But then the whole fiasco with TLJ happened and Lucasfilm dismissing fan criticism by calling them sexist and racist while being what they accused us of while doing it. After that, I was wary of anything new in Star Wars so long as there was a political agenda involved among the employees at Lucasfilm.
@Agent New Mexico, I actually liked the Solo movie, thought it was one of the better ones.
@Oujosh29, It was really freaking good, everyone that saw it admits that, it's just that SW audiences don't trust the reviews anymore and they're boycotting Lucas Arts
@Oujosh29, So did I. Had it not been for the actions of the people over at Lucasfilm, I think this film could've been incredibly successful. However, their decision with Lando's sexuality, their intention for L3 to be taken seriously, and the way they kept trying to make the movie-goers worry about Emphys's gender, all before the film was released really dragged it down before it even had a chance. This is all in addition to what the people in charge of Lucasfilm creative did. Aside from that, though, I really enjoyed Donald Glover's performance as Lando and Woody Harrelson's character.
@Agent New Mexico, I have no idea what you’re talking about in regards to any of that pre-release stuff. Thank god. But then again, I try and stay away from any spoilers so that I go into the movies fresh.
@Agent New Mexico, I think what it really boils down too are overzealous media outlets running with a sliver of fact they can spin into some sensational political headline to get clicks (i.e. Lando’s “pansexuality”) It certainly doesn’t help that Lucasfilm throws a bone to these websites and won’t defend their fans caught in the crossfire of sjw media vs. alt-right culture warriors.
We want a good movie. We don't want a transformers series. We don't want a mary sue. We want relatable characters, an actual plot, consistency with the other movies, with the same seriousness that the other movies had.
Yes the prequels might not have been great stand alone movies, but they fit in with the saga. They were good SW movies. The current direction SW if taking is cram a bunch of stuff that KK wants into it. They think "oh what makes a film good is the effects, the nationality, and the characters political ideals"
@Tentastic, idk, I’d say that the characters are pretty relatable.
-finn questioned the life he had so he decided to leave. But it wasn’t because he wants to save the universe, he just wanted to be free.
-Rey just wants to find out who/what she is and what her role in life is
-Kylo is the most relatable star wars villain. He has feelings instead of just being some evil guy. I mean vader was like that, but not until the end of the 3rd movie.
it’s completely consistent with star wars, especially when it comes to the force. The prequels treated it like a super power, the new ones treat it much more spiritually like in the originals.
And if you wanna talk politics, star wars has aways been political. Especially the prequels, far more so than the new ones.
The movies are serious. At least they’re 10 times more serious than Phantom Menace and Clones, which feature fart jokes, and I’d say there on par in originals in seriousness. Star Wars was always kinda light hearted anyway
@K1l, Finn was simply a coward that tried and failed to properly escape a battle, Rey was just brought into the drama because the droid ran into her, Kylo just had bitchfits about being evil
@K1l, Finn was simply a coward that tried and failed to properly escape a battle, Rey was just brought into the drama because the droid ran into her, Kylo just had b1tchf1ts about being evil. Their characters were just tropes and cliches...
@Tentastic, how about not killing off canon. I would have been happy then.
@ Seductive Cheeto, If that is all you got from the characters, you’re horrible at analyzing.
Finn was taken from birth and was brainwashed into believing the first orders lies. It takes a lot of bravery to question everything, make his own decision and leave something like that, knowing they would try to kill him at every chance possible. He even risked his life to save everyo
Rey was abandoned as a child at an unfamiliar place. She basically had to raise herself, working just to survive day to day. She just wants to know who and what she is. The thing inside of her (the force) terrifies her and thatms why she goes to luke for help.
Kylo felt betrayed by his own uncle, who he thought was trying to kill him. He fell into the lap of someone who took his side and said he wanted to help. Instead, he was manipulated, but throughout the movies he’s been really conflicted. Killing his father tore him apart mentally and he couldn’t even bring himsef to shoot the shot to kill his mother.
@K1l, You can analyze all you want, but the simple fact that you were able to say the entire backstory and meaning of these characters in 2 or 3 sentences each goes to show how shallow they are...
Plus they are still cliched as all hell and almost blatant copies of characters from past installments
@ Seductive Cheeto, Luke was simply a farm boy who wanted to leave. Leia was the daughter of a head rebel who was captured. and Han was just a hired gun. Obi-wan is a old mentor just bound to die by the evil doer. What do you know I can also describe the og characters with tropes and cliches
@Killing instincts , oh okay so therefore because you think the characters were shallow back then it's okay for them to be shallow now, silly of me to judge a movie by it's own merit
@ Seductive Cheeto, he’s not calling the og characters shallow, he’s showing that you can boil down any characters backstory to one sentence or less.
Batman is just a billionaire superhero whose parents died, Harry Potter is just a wizard whose parents died, Hannibal Lecter is just a crazy cannibal.
None of the characters I just listed are shallow, but I can make them sound like they are when I put it that way. You’re doing the same thing, just unironically
@K1l, but that's the thing, other than what you said about the TLJ characters, what else was different?
@ Seductive Cheeto, forgive me for trying to show you the arguement of "they are tropes and cliches" is one of the stupidest, since no character is exactly the same. the OG trilogy isn't just tropes and cliches anymore because they had 41 years to develop. the force awakens crew has had only 3. Star wars always developed it's characters behind scenes so why they can't do that now I have no idea why.
@Killing instincts , Its okay, just try to get better at giving arguments.
@ Seductive Cheeto, reread my comment describing their characters. That’s a pretty decent amount of fleshing out considering they’re brand new characters and have had only two movies with a third installment to give even more.
Their characters are the same as and even above the average standard when it comes to backstory and development.
How much do you want from them? The only way the characters could be flushed out much more is if they were given several more movies focused singularly on them. They don’t even need much more. They’re 3 dimensional and it gives us their reasoning, motivation, and how they’re connected to the overall story - that should be enough.
@K1l, What I want from characters is for them to change, to grow into someone different and overcome their weaknesses. Finn is still just a traitor, he isn't even allowed to fight for the rebellion, and the only moments that he can have to overcome his cowardice are ruined by Rose. Rey never becomes anything more than tough girl who is an orphan. Kylo is just a Darth Vader wannabe who kills his master, but other than just who he kills, his character doesn't change.
If you think those are deep characters you must be watching some pretty dumb popcorn movies
@ Seductive Cheeto,
There is a third movie for them to change and overcome their weaknesses. Don’t forget this a trilogy, it’s rare that characters develop that much in the first two parts of a trilogy. But, it’s their actions, relationships and things that happen to them in the first two that changes them in the final chapter.
Regardless, characters did grow.
Kylo is battling his confliction. His darker side is still getting the best of him, but his good side broke through when he killed snoke to save rey, last movie he was trying to kill her. Also, killing his father tore him apart even more and he wasn’t able to kill his mother. - That’s a lot of development, especially for an antagonist considering again, the story isn’t even complete.
Finn pulled a brave move by leaving the first order, but he was still a coward. He overcame that to save rey from Starkiller and he fought Kylo ren. Second movie he was still afraid, but he overcame that again by risking his life (continued)
@ Seductive Cheeto,
Rey originally wanted to go back to Jakku to wait for her parents. She was still holding on, but she was able to not go back because she realized her future is more important than her past. Second movie: She found out there is something inside of her. It scares her, so she goes for help to control it. She is still curious about her past but she learns her parents were nobody. Now, she’s pretty much completely let go. Also, she went from wanting to kill Kylo in the first movie to understanding him and trying to help in the second. - that’s a good amount of development considering her story still isn’t over
-Luke went from a grumpy old man who despised the jedi and his past to accepting his actions and who he is. He returns to the force after realizing he can make a difference. He ends up saving the entire resistance. That’s a lot of change considering he was spanned out over one movie.
@ Seductive Cheeto, plus, im aware that these characters aren’t extremely deep, but they don’t need to have the same amount of depth as characters such as Walter White and the likes. While star wars is character driven, it doesn’t solely rely on development like certain other types of stories do. Star Wars is mostly a world building snd story driven type of genre. The characters are as deep as they need to be, and I’d say even more so than most characters in the prequels and original trilogy.
@Tentastic, if you want great continuity, power scaling, and story watch dragon ball z then watch super. After analyzing that come back to star wars and enjoy a balanced movie.
@ Seductive Cheeto, preach
The fans want the new movies to magically inspire the same feelings they had as the original trilogy, which they saw as children, all the while failing to understand that no movie, Star Wars or otherwise, will ever instill that childlike sense of wonder ever again.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, I don't know, the only two of the new movies that didn't have that effect on me were Rogue One (none of the characters were original or fleshed out enough) and TLJ (some poor dialogue and plot decisions), and even then both of those movies had moments that had me sitting in awe of what I was watching, and neither of them were bad.
@Suicide Squad Sucks, I actually just wanted them to stop with the dumb SJW propaganda. Like the big interviews were they kept referring to Rey as the first strong female character in Star Wars. Even the the interview with the writers for Solo did the dumb propaganda crap by declaring that they had retconned Lando into a pansexual. Then there was the calling anyone who thought Finn, when he first appeared in the Force awakens, was a poorly made character, a racist. Hell TLJ had half the movie dedicated to just ranting about Income inequalities and animal abuse when they went to the casino planet. Then there is the endless blaming of “white men” being at fault for their poor story telling and bad reviews. All that crud being shoved into the faces of the people who called out the movies for what they were, garbage, and just simply wanted a good story without essentially being told they are deplorable only pushed them farther away.
@ThatGuyx79, if anything, the fans wanted to stop being told that because they have different values than the snobby leftist Hollywood elite, that they are some how garbage people.
That's sadly pretty much the gist of it.
Of course the new ones won’t live up to expectations. People remember the Star Wars movies fondly because of nostalgia, not because they’re great movies. In my opinion the whole franchise is meh because I have zero nostalgia for it. Now that Disney owns LucasFilm they’re just gonna bleed the franchise dry but make millions if not billions in the process so they don’t give a shjt
Obi Wan Movie
So are people taking the movie maker's side now?
This post doesn't make any sense. Obviously we want a different movie, because if we got the same movie it wouldn't be worth seeing. We want a different movie that is actually good and not full of plot holes. That's it. Make a good movie.
@PottedPlant, name one plot hole in The Last Jedi
@K1l, why would the first order follow the resistance for 18 hours with ALL of their ships? If they just send one ship in FRONT of the resistance they win movie over
@K1l, that the entire thing happened in the span of like 18 hours. People on this ap before have defended that but no, even light speed you cant go from across the galaxy in a couple hours. Finns/Rose's mission was done in hours, including flying to the planet, getting jail, and flying back. Also Rey couldn't have been that close to them (they were in a remote hidden part of the galaxy) and she made it in time.
And they just happen to get locked in jail with the exact hacker they need who had a means of escape but waited for them to use it? They may not be a loop hole but that's bs writing
@K1l, why does holdo not tell poe, and everyone for that matter, the plan of escape? If she does, resistance escape, no need for rose, and they still have a decent sized resistance group and a base of operations.
@K1l, why can snoke “feel [kylo’s] every move” and yet NOT feel him moving the lightsaber with the force?
@K1l, what happened to the knights of ren? Why is phasma a useless character, why does hux want to talk to poe instead of just blowing his ship up, etc etc
@K1l, not to mention how rey is somehow some master user of the force now, after STILL no training, i guess you can just mention the force in star wars now and you are a master.
@Oujosh29, Who’s to say they can’t go across the galaxy in a few hours? No other movie has said that it’s impossible.
None of those are plot holes. Like at all. It’s all possible and it made sense for the movie. Nobody’s ever questioned how characters get from place to place so quickly in any of the other movies. At this point, you’re just nitpicking.
Like you could say the exact same thing for how luke was able to get from dagobah to cloud so quickly. Empire strikes back takes place over a pretty short period of time too. How did luke have all this time to train and get back? If it wasn’t a “plot hole” then, it isn’t now.
@The nOly One, they explained that their ships were going as fast as they can without being in lightspeed. They couldn’t have just sent their ship in front because they were going their max speeds already.
And she didn’t tell poe her plan because she only knew him as reckless pilot who just got demoted. She didn’t trust him. And clearly, she did tell others because they loaded the escape ships. Not everyone is on a need to know basis for plans, it’s likely Holdo only told a few who needed to know for it to work. In the military, not everybody is told everything. They’re just given orders and they follow them.
@K1l, it wasn't a plot then because we don't know how much time he spent traveling. He had a vision (who knows when) then left. When he left tatoine on the falcon they hung out a bit and showed a little bit of travel time. With tlj there was literally a ticking clock so we know they basically just teleported there. So yes,its a plot hole.
@K1l, didnt trust him? He was clearly a well known pilot and what was he going to do, tell the first order? Because her not telling him led to the other option, mutiny. Need to know is a real thing sure, but it's also important to keep your troops morale up. Letting them know the plan isnt to just die is a big one
@K1l, the first order could have lightsped a couple of their ships in front, thats what I was saying, nothing was preventing the first order from lightspeed only the resistance. Also, my point was EVERYONE should have been on that need to know, thats their plan for survival, in order to keep the troops from committing mutiny you need to tell people how they will live. And its blatantly obvious that no one knew holdo’s plan because people on the bridge helped poe to commit mutiny, so they certainly didnt know. My point is both sides should have made one very simple decision to win the day and neither did so now they both lose
@Oujosh29, what are you referring to? Tatooine wasn’t even in Empire Strikes back and Luke didn’t even ride in the falcon. Besides, why bother showing us boring travel time? We know she traveled, we don’t need to be shown every single little thing to understand what’s going on.
Don’t you remember what happened at the beginning of the movie? Poe got demoted by Leia. Holdo even said she doesn’t like “cocky flyboys” right to his face. So she was already biased and him being demoted probably fed into that. And bringing about a mutiny was a little uncalled for. He may have not liked nor understood the decisions, but the higher ups made a decision and he should’ve respected that.
Here's an amazing idea for a star wars movie series. Follow the books and do some on the Vong wars. Would be epic
A company that tells me not to watch their movies because I'm a white Male. Also, a movie that's not hamfisting me a set of political beliefs at every turn.
When I found out Luke didn't go dark I lost all interest in saga .
"53 comments" Oh lord the three things that get people to argue online is Politics, religion, and the new starwars movies...
but still everyone goes watching it
I know this community is amazing! Thanks for being awesome and posting / commenting really funny stuff! If any of you pray and wouldn't mind saying a very short quick one for a stranger online... I've got my big MCAT exam tomorrow and am really stressed!
I told a friend the minor tweaks I would've made to TLJ and I think it would've made most fans happy.
When Yoda first arrived, I would've cut to the scene showing the Falcon delayed due to mechanical issues, possibly porg related. Rey and Chewie frantically checking things. Then back to Luke and Yoda for their discussion. Yoda tells Luke here must help, "the chosen one, she is"
Lightning strikes the tree, Rey and Chewie run up to check on Luke. No sign of him. They go back to the Falcon and quickly get it to start. They leave unaware Luke is hidden on board a la Obi Wan.
Plan continues as normal Rey faces Kylo alone. Gets captured. Luke makes himself known to Chewie and goes to face Kylo and Snoke to rescue Rey. Luke enters the ship and makes his way toward Snoke/Rey/Kylo through a corridor full of Praetorian Guards armed like they were in the throne room. He goes through them like Vader at the end of Rogue One.
He enters the thrown room as Kylo kills Snoke.
@Azyoulikeit, Using telekinesis he's using the weapons of the fallen guards as well as his green lightsaber to fight off the additional guards. Kylo, enraged by his presence and willingness to help Rey attacks her. Kylo/Rey brief lightsaber fight as Luke finishes off the guards. Once done, he calls her to leave and sends the Praetorian guards weapons to block Kylo. Rey and Luke escape to the planet, where Luke makes his last stand in person when Kylo shows up.
@Azyoulikeit, that sounds pretty awesome but I feel like having a peacful ending looking at 2 suns was more poetic. His journey ended the same way it started. It also introduced a new force ability that I really like. Honestly, there’s a lot of the movie I would like to change, but I’d keep that the same
@K1l, I'll admit, the two suns was nice symmetry. But an Obi Wan exit where he stops the bad guy to help the good guys escape and joins the force and disappears would also be very fitting, imo. Also, since his hand was mechanical, I would've had it drop to the ground with a clunk. What did you think of Yoda calling Rey the chosen one? I could see it explained a few ways in episode 9. Either that the chosen one is reincarnated by the force whenever balance is needed and it started with Anakin. Then have that as why look hasn't seen the force ghost of his father since Rey was born. Or, since Luke did have a wife in the legends, make her his daughter. I know a lot of people want that. I'm not sure myself. But, if that were chosen, his pregnant wife could have been captured and reportedly killed during travel when in fact she wasn't known to the enemy so she's enslaved and her daughter sold off. If family then make it a chosen lineage, some good, some evil to keep the force balanced.