If people here were responsible and actually held accountable for their actions without the blame being put on everything else, there wouldn't be a problem
@Kangaroo Jacked, I'm all for guns, but the only thing I'm against is making open carry a social norm. First of all, it's not tactical at all. If you really need your gun in public, you are most likely using it on someone else with a gun. They'll shoot you first since they knew you had one. Plus, seeing everyone with a gun openly WILL make some people uncomfortable (not me, but some people). Concealed carry is way better. I also think that some restrictions on mag size and automatic weapons is too far. 99% of civilians getting automatic weapons are just fun enthusiasts who know what they're doing.
@acsdog, *gun, not fun
@acsdog, no, you meant fun enthusiasts.
@acsdog, 99% might be enthusiasts, but what about the 1%? If that 1% has an automatic weapon, he can do much more damage than if he had just a pistol. I agree with you're other points and I truly am sorry for those enthusiasts, but I don't think it's worth what that 1% could do with it
@acsdog, @necillen, people who go through the long, arduous process of obtaining an automatic weapon are NOT going to use it on other people. Hasn't happened since the early 90s and those were AKs. Also, do you think people are going to go into a place and start shooting people if they know there is a chance that those people have weapons? Fvck no! Additionally, open carry might make some people uncomfortable, but fvck them if it makes me feel safer.
@nevillelin, so you'd rather give up a liberty, for a little more security? You know that's how tyrannical governments start, right?
@Bench, would I rather give up a liberty? That is a bit of a loaded question, as any sort of government at all leads to loss of liberty. An equally reasonable statement is "would you rather have no security, so you could get a little more liberty? You know that's how anarchy starts, right"
@Fistdeepinu , ok, I am not familiar with the regulations, so if what you say is true, you may have a point. I am not saying all weapons should be banned, but I am in favor of heavier regulations on guns
@nevillelin, no, having a government doesn't lead to a loss of liberty. The people who are scared and can't do things for themselves, and expect the government to take care of them is what leads to losses of liberty. And to your question, my answer is no, because we need security, I understand that, because there are always low lifes out there. But you don't give up your rights because of the 1% of bad thing in this country, and then expect the government to take care of you. That's a slippery slope my friend.
@Bench, having a government requires losing some liberties. Otherwise, you would be able to drive as fast as you would like, or start drinking at the age of 12. These loss of liberties come with the government, and liberty vs security is an inverse relationship. No one is going to be perfectly agreed on what the perfect point on that inverse scale would be, which is why we're having a discussion right now :)
@Fistdeepinu , My dad and everyone at his buisness are conceld weapons carriers only because they work in one of the worst towns in California and they have been held up at gunpoint before.
@nevillelin, yeah, but now you're comparing liberties that are not of equal merit. A 12 year old drinking vs the 1% of shoot ups is not very comparable. And you're right, there will never be an agreeable definition of what should be done, but there's a line that the government shouldn't be able to cross, and once you let them do, you won't be able to push them back over. What if I said this, a kid walking into school with a knife and stabbed 10 kids before being stopped, should the government ban all knives and sharp objects?
@Bench, My response would be that a kid with a knife is far less dangerous and easier to stop than a kid with a firearm. Also, I never said that the government should ban all firearms, a more appropriate depiction of my opinion would be to ban knives from children and those with mental illnesses, and only allow those who demonstrate that they are of sound mind to purchase them. If you read my read my response to Fist's second comment, you would see that I support heavier regulation rather than banning of firearms. Thank you for responding with logical arguments and not by getting upset and name calling, by the way.
@nevillelin, I thought you were for all gun banning, and if you're not well then we are good. Haha I must not have read your first comments clearly enough. I don't think Joe Schmo should be able to walk down to the liquor store and buy what M-etc gun he wants. That would be ridiculous.
@nevillelin, and yeah, I was reading some comments earlier, and thought I was the only person who could be civil. Thank you. Lol
@Bench, yeah, even some of the ones who started out reasonable ended up pretty bad. Nice talking to you, even if it turns out our discussion was pointless.
@Bench, that's the whole point of government (giving up some freedom for security and various other services)
@acsdog, open carry is to protect citizens police can't do everything so it's up to individuals and if we face a serious invasion or war on our home front our greatest line of defense is the nation's people.
@Bench, you deserved the update I gave you! Lol
@nevillelin, I don't think you know the real idealism behind anarchy.
@funny pic veteran, I referred not to the ideals and values of anarchy, but rather the practice of it
@nevillelin, peace is the practice. But those who make peaceful revolution possible, make violent revolution inevitable
@funny pic veteran, veteran, I understand what you're saying, but I felt the need to clarify what meant by anarchy, as there are multiple definitions. I meant "1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority" and not "c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government"
@nevillelin, yes but people often associated the common misconception of chaos with anarchy it's an idea of a utopia if you will.
@funny pic veteran, I understand that veteran, but my definition was from Merriam-Webster, and as you can see, the definition I used was the primary and secondary definitions, and utopia was the tertiary definition
@nevillelin, lol that's a perfect analogy for this topic and mainstream media
@funny pic veteran, veteran, I understand that there are two different meanings of anarchy, but the utopia you speak of is the far less common use of the word. Both are legitimate definitions, and it is not a misconception or misunderstanding of anarchy that people use, but simply the first definition rather than the second
@funny pic veteran, however, you are correct that if one discusses the secondary definition, most people will misunderstand, as they are unfamiliar with the topic
@nevillelin, Yea when i said that I meant it more as when I tell people I'm an anarchist they think my hobbies are flipping cars and throwing moltovs into stores Haha most people think anarchy is just another word for chaos
@nevillelin, people have way to much hate on these topics
@funny pic veteran, it's such a shame when people misunderstand. Also, I've had two different political discussions today without anyone getting upset. Today is a good day :)
@nevillelin, lol I find immature and ignorant people tend to overreact and hate when you're opinions differ from their own, I love to debate though you can see things through others eyes and a lot of the time I can find some common ground.
@acsdog, if I was going to rob a store and I saw a guy with a gun I would leave because 1.many robbers have a knife or other weapon, not a gun and 2. Most robbers want some quick money, they don't want to murder someone unless something goes horribly wrong.
@nevillelin, people who are enthusiasts can get proper permitting. I worked for a security company and the owner dealt firearms (legally) as a hobby. He has acquired the necessary permits to own sell and fabricate fully automatic weapons. It's not tough if you are devoted to it. I agree with you, and I am a strong advocate for the second amendment.
@Your Grandmas Tits, wow that's tough to get in Cali. I have my permit for Oregon but recently moved to so cal. You pretty much have to be law enforcement to get a ccl in California.
@AverageWhiteBoy, I've heard but my dad made it a requirement for all his workers to have it because he works in Stockton at a tattoo shop so a lot of dangerous things happen
@funny pic veteran, exactly. What happens when big government gets the ball rolling and micromanages everything? When we have no power and no control over our own regulations? That what hitler did. He starts by taking firearms from citizens. Eventually it got to the point where you could be shot on site for not turning in your firearms. Law abiding Jews would be on their way to the police station to turn in their firearms and would be shot in the street before they could. Eventually hitler had absolute power and a nation was unable to defend themselves.
@ToolOGT92, when you obtain a concealed carry license you take a class (in most states) and you are taught the legalities of intercepting a shooter. First rule is not to engage or intervene if they are not immediately harming or in the process of doing so. You're right, you should never intercept a robbery because most criminals are after petty cash. When they intent to hurt someone it becomes a different story.
@AverageWhiteBoy, I agree, I wish concealed carry permits weren't so expensive, in my state it costs about $500 or more to qualify and after that it is still a "may issue" not a "will issue".
@ToolOGT92, wow where do you live? In Oregon you pay for the class which is run by a private party (my boss had a class and didn't charge me to take his course) then it's just a small filing fee from the county. It's a guarantee if the instructed signed off on the paperwork.
@AverageWhiteBoy, in Delaware you have to take the class, get five references, put your name and intent in the paper and a bunch of other stupid fees. In the Delaware/Maryland area people are buying guns like crazy because of our fascist government and I think the state likes the fact that they can deny permits to people for any reason. The courses that are certified by the state are overpriced.
@ToolOGT92, just another way for Uncle Sam to make a pretty penny on freedom. I love my country, I'm prior service in the army and I would die for America, freedom and my family, but I'll be damned if I live to see big government overrun our constitutional rights. It's a sad day when we see the vast majority of law abiding Americans punished for the crimes of the few criminals and mentally ill. That's why I'm considering joining a local militia.
Than people don't toast toast. Toasters toast toast...-jaden smith
@TheRev93, Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast. -Jasper Redd
@TheRev93, toasters toast bread
@TheRev93, bread goes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
@ScaryMikeScarinMikes, toast don't go in a toaster, bread does. - Edd
I think drunk driving is actually a really good analogy; ultimately, the consequences are due to a lack of judgement on the person's part, but the consequences are amplified due to the gun/car.
@World Eater, that is a very understandable point of view
Well, based on the thumbs up and down I have concluded most of the people on here are pro gun rights.
@Toothlessdiva, unfortunately yes you are probably right
@Fox News , not sure if you just don't like guns or you're making a joke about Fox News not liking guns
@Toothlessdiva, which is a good thing because it means most people here have their head on straight.
Guns don't kill people Nuh uh I kill people.. with guns pow
Not sure if anyone is going to scroll down far enough to see this, but i think there should be a quarterly test that measures a person's physical and mental condition before they are issued a gun license and a gun... Less liabilities and even lesser crazies with guns
here's my take on guns. If you have a mental illness or a criminal record you should not be able to buy a gun. If you buy any gun, whether it be new or used it should be registered (like a car), some people made a big deal out of it, but just like a car, some people should be allowed to operate a gun. Bullets should also be registered to make them easier to trace (I don't know if thats already a thing). And open carry is just a problem waiting to happen, it scares people and it might eventually scare the wrong person (someone who doesn't know about it, or someone who doesn't know theres a really), and people will get injured or die. And finally guns can kill people, theres been plenty of cases of guns self firing (whether they fall, or something just goes wrong), guns were meant to protect sane law abiding citizens from potential danger, and only sane law abiding citizens should have the privilege to own a gun. Just my two cents
@D0N RAM0N, most for what you said was obvious and not needed. As far as open carry - I'd rather have tons of people in a store with me with guns on their hips then have them hidden. This way I know for sure who to avoid, and perhaps it makes the mentally ill person about to do a shooting think twice and leave that store.
@JuhJuhJuhJimmy, maybe you're right about that scenario with open carry
@D0N RAM0N, before you make a statement on gun control you should be familiar with guns and how they work
@JuhJuhJuhJimmy, in most cases, someone who is mentally ill enough to think shooting people is a good idea wouldn't really care who else has a gun
@The Fvck Train, yea that's why I said perhaps Sherlock
@D0N RAM0N, self fire? Have you ever shot a firearm? Even a defective weapon WILL NOT injure a single person if the operator handles it properly. Last summer I was on the range with my brother. We are both prior service. He was chambering a reloaded round with a defective primer. His 40 went off as the round loaded and fired right into the ground just feet from me. I was loading my 12 gauge rift next to him. He practiced safe handling techniques an as a result we were both safe. Even the most dangerous and defective firearm is totally inept if it is handled like, well like any gun, with safety. Never point it at something you don't want to shoot, trigger discipline. There is your safety.
I think the right to bear arms is important, but every argument I've heard against more gun laws is acting as if they're taking away every gun ever. I think it's important that people can't get devices created only to harm people while in an impaired mental state, either mad, or crazy or intoxicated.
If we didn't have writing implements, we couldn't miss spell words. If we didn't have cars, no one could drive drunk. If we didn't have eating utensils, we wouldn't be able to eat as much.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, and if we didn't have guns, not as many people would get killed
@AlaskanBu11Worm, and if the world didn't have idiots like you it would be a better place. Without all those inventions modern society couldn't function, and you, with your minuscule amount of intellect, wouldn't survive. Nice logic, moron.
@Texacan, lol hhahaaha why are you so butthurt? calling people moron and stuff, didn't your mom teach you respect?
@Just a raccoon, respect for those that deserve it, not human trash like you.
@Texacan, man you are funny! I'm a trash because I have a different opinion! Man you are the picture of intelligence!
@Just a raccoon, you are trash because you hate freedom, you are brainless because you think guns are the problem, and you are a mental incompetent for thinking it's better to be a victim than to defend yourself.
@Texacan, i don't hate freedom, I hate school shootings and how many there are. I'm still in school and any kid with an assault rifle can bust through the doors and gun down as many kids as he can because it's perfectly legal and available for him to do so.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, and you'd be a helluva lot safer if you carried a gun. Defense needs to be proactive, you can't just sit on your ass and hope nothing bad ever happens. Taking guns away IS taking freedom away, and it only make everyone less safe, and makes it easier for criminals (including politicians) to have there way with you.
@Texacan, *their way with you.
@Just a raccoon, I would also presume the texacan is also calling you an ignorant person and acting "butt hurt" because you trashed on Texas and made it seem like a bad place -.-
@Texacan, lol im screenshoting this man you are hilarous hahah i hate freedom? never said that and im not a victim bro, no one is being attacked
@Just a raccoon, being able to protect yourself is what makes people free. Without guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, protection is a lot harder to accomplish.
@Texacan, its OK dude. Some people just don't have their head on straight.
@Texacan, beacause canada is not a free? portugal is not free? france is not free? AND THEY ARE ALL UNSAFE!? oh no!
@Just a raccoon, yeah, and not realizing that they arn't free is what makes you foolish. The reason Germany didn't invade the Swiss in WW2 isn't because they were neutral, it's because every citizen was armed.
@Texacan, so you are;saying contru with guns are the only ones safe and free. wow. amazing!
@Just a raccoon, yes, and historical evidence supports my logic, just as it refutes yours.
@Texacan, ohhh okay, you are one of those that think america is the better contry of the world, yea im going to stop replying to you because you are worse than I thought.
@Just a raccoon, so you admit defeat? Thanks!
@Texacan, yup, knew it. your just a kid wanting to "win". there is no defeat or winner lol you should not buy app that are 18+
@Just a raccoon, says the 12 year old, smh.
@Texacan, hahaha typical kid okayokay, you defeated me! lol hope you are feeling happy with that.
@Just a raccoon, reached the end of your mental capacity have you? Sad.
@Just a raccoon, sorry but you sound like a moron. Having a gun to protect yourself means you are safer. PLEASE explain a way in which you're not.
@JuhJuhJuhJimmy, have a great day
@AlaskanBu11Worm, you obviously don't know anything about having to buy a gun. It's not legal for a KID to own a gun. Just to take a gun out of your house, it has to be registered so that the govt knows you have it. Regardless, there are so many guns made already, the black market would still make it possible for people to find a gun and take it to a school. Please explain to me why it's a bad idea to have more people in that school that are able to defend kids like you?
@AlaskanBu11Worm, its also estimated that guns are used 50000 times per month to defend a life without firing a shot. Considering that the amount of school shootings, firearm deaths and accidental firearm deaths have gone down since the 1990s I would say that more guns are a good thing. Your case of emotions without facts are illogical and can easily be dismantled in seconds.
@Just a raccoon, I agree with you in some parts you said, Canada is very free! Just because we don't carry guns everywhere doesn't mean we aren't a free country, yet I'm on the edge of deciding whether guns are "safe" or not. Sure, they supply as good protection for reasonable people, yet they also make it way easier for a person to snap and go on a killing spree. You aren't against freedom, I'll agree to that. You have valid points and non valid points. Now, watch me get down-voted to oblivion because I stated my opinions and some people are too ignorant to even comprehend the fact that other intelligent beings can think differently than themselves. Good day!
@AlaskanBu11Worm, from the wise words of Eddie Izzard. "Guns don't kill people, but they do help. You wouldn't have as much success walking around and yelling 'BANG BANG'"
@David Freaking Bowie, thank you for agreeing for some of my arguments.
@mooseterbate, because no one was murdered before guns, right? I wonder what Julius Caesar would think about that...
@David Freaking Bowie, Canada is hardly free. You are completely owned by your government.
@Texacan, I do see your points, but these people have different opinions. This is what makes the world spin. If we all thought the same life would be awful. All I'm saying is these people think about this topic differently than us, while I can see where you'd get angry there is no need for the insults and blatant ways of telling raccoon he sucks, like I agree with you in most parts, yet I don't see why we have to get so worked up over it, if he had a different favourite colour would you criticize him for it too? I do realize I'm going to be down-voted because again, people will have different opinions than me :P
@David Freaking Bowie, people CAN have different opinions, but when an opinion has no logical reasoning or basis in reality, that opinion can rightfully be called ignorant and wrong.
@Texacan, I understand completely what you are saying. However, there are most likely multiple people who think that way and I doubt calling them "moron" or "human trash" will change their opinion, the insults are not very useful.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, you know nothing about guns I assume
@AlaskanBu11Worm, I'm gonna favorite this pic just so I know your name and I'm gonna down vote you
@AlaskanBu11Worm, IT IS NOT LEGAL TO DO THAT YOU IDIOT, MAYBE THERE WOULD NOT BE AS MUCH SCHOOL SHOOTINGS IF THERE WAS NOT AS MUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD LIKE YOU
@David Freaking Bowie, it seems nothing will change their opinion, so calling them names (while admittedly tasteless) is just to irritate them. It obviously worked, because he has (for now) stopped spewing his blatant ignorance.
@Texacan, I agree
@Texacan, like really! Are we going to have restrictions on rocks now? Lol
@Just a raccoon, Dude, you're such an idiot. You just got owned by Texacan. And then you tried to play it off cool and failed epicly. I hope you don't act like this in real life.
@Frosty Nipples, dude, no one owns no one, this isn't a battle.
@Texacan, point taken,
@Just a raccoon, you're just a raccoon, why do you care about gun policy anyway?
@sonnyrey4L, they use guns to catch us
@Texacan, two things; 1) marry me, Texacan, and 2) a few years ago, they banned guns in Florida and crime rose to the highest it had ever been. To reiterate your point, guns are not the problem.
@Just a raccoon, who uses guns to catch raccoons? We just trap you cause you're so dense!
@Texacan, I love you.. Sorry too much? It's tough to find a good libertarian these days. Criminals will always have guns. Takin them away will only hurt law abiding citizens Uncle Sam can have every firearm I own (which is a lot) when they pry them from my cold dead hands.
@Just a raccoon, history shows us that civilians who can defend themselves are the most free. Free from big government, free from tyranny, free from oppression. Thinking the government can protect you is where I believe you are extremely misguided and misinformed.
@JuhJuhJuhJimmy, exactly. I think teachers should be educated and given the option to conceal carry. I know a few of the high schools in my area that are the "bad kid schools" have educators that carry. Teachers that work in the criminal system do as well.
@David Freaking Bowie, I agree. I don't think that it is necessary to name call but this is more than a opinionated disagreement. This concerns liberty and people's opinions on the topic affect the outcome in our government decisions and ultimately our constitutional rights.
@Just a raccoon, I remember when you were good, you're dead to me now.
@masterchiefan, hey, thank you to tell me I was "good" (I didn't even know someone knew me here) but I did not change, I did not turn "bad" im am just sharing my opinion. An individual does not become "bad" because he is different. I am still the same.
@Just a raccoon, you didn't state an opinion, you stated a logical fallacy. Quit being an idiot.
@Just a raccoon, But you didn't call people names, you were a great commenter, and now you do this to people.
@masterchiefan, wow thanks I didn't know I was a great commentator. anyway, I did not call names to anyone. meanwhile, look at that texas dude keeping calling me names. I did nothing wrong, Im just sharing my opinion, I am not calling names to no one. Its the other people that are calling me names (they still think I give a sh!t)
@Just a raccoon, I have seen you getting upvotes weeks ago.
@masterchiefan, thanks man.
@Just a raccoon, Your welcome
@masterchiefan, I hope I am not dead to you!
@Just a raccoon, You're not, you just need to redeem yourself.
@masterchiefan, allright, cool
@Just a raccoon, you obviously do give a sh!t or you would quit whining. And YOU started the argument! You are so pathetic.
@Just a raccoon, furthermore, you need to learn what the difference between an opinion and a logical fallacy are. Even if English is your third language, that doesn't mean you can misuse it.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, anything is bad when used in the wrong way.
@Texacan, sorry for the misunderstanding. Eddie izzard is just a comedian and that was a joke. I'm not a gun control advocate and actually think guns are a good thing to have if you're responsible.
Mercia logic: I need to protect myself with a gun... From someone with a gun....
@bitch I am fabulous, idiot logic: guns kill people
I'll just stick to Canada where there aren't crazy fvcks walking around with guns all the time. Conservatives scare me.
@Chknsyphilis, I'm not trying to stand up for anyone, but saying all gun owners are conservatives is a vast generalization.
@The Real Mulan, very vast. I work in a labor union that is highly liberal and i have yet to meet anyone that doesnt own guns. Several guns. Including AR's
Except for the fact that guns were made to kill people and/or other living things.
@Udder Despair, Right? I hate this argument so much, yes people do kill people, and they kill them WITH GUNS
@Aperture Employee, but less so than with other implements. Cars kill way more people every year than guns, should they be banned too?
@Texacan, besides the fact that most car related deaths aren't premeditated and every school shooting is, it is just as hard to get a gun licence as it is to get a drivers licence. And drunk driving and texting while driving are the biggest vehicular killers, and they're both illegal. Also, I never said guns should be banned, I said that, yes, guns do kill people.
@Aperture Employee, the thing is EVERYTHING is capable of killing a person! Your argument is invalid. Without guns, psychos would just use something else. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and THAT is the problem, NOT guns.
@Texacan, But guns were created for the sole purpose of killing efficiently and effectively. Short of explosives (which have been used but not nearly as much) almost everything else is less effective as the guns that psychos use. Do I think that we should be more focused on the people who commit these heinous acts? Yes. But you can't say that someone could recreate Columbine with a knife.
@Aperture Employee, considering everyone at columbine was defenseless and afraid, it wouldn't have changed much. The thing is, people will commit crime no matter how much law you have in place. The only way you can prevent major crime is to have zero freedom, or for people to defend themselves. If criminals can use guns to commit crime, why shouldn't I be able to stop them with MY guns? I choose not to be a victim.
@Texacan, Yes bring back the Wild West I want to have a good old fashion shoot out at my school.
@Udder Despair, you are one who is rather pathetically devoid of humor and intellect, arn't you?
@Texacan, How I thought my previous statement is what you would call humor.
@Udder Despair, are you mentally inept? Or just unfamiliar with the English language? Either way, cease your ignorant babbling, unless you have something intelligible to say.
@Texacan, Fine sense you seem to attack anyone with different views I will explain to you what the big bad government is trying to do with gun control they don't want to take your guns away from you they are trying to limit the damage they can do by requiring more strict background checks and psychic exams and limiting clip sizes but sense gun lobbyist hate anything that could limit there guns they prevent anything from passing I am not saying you can't own a gun but everyone walking around with AR-15s simply because they need to defend themselves is a little ridiculous in my opinion. I don't know why you get so defensive over this topic.
@Udder Despair, thank you for posting an actual argument. First off I would like to point out that we do have lots of gun control laws already in place, but they arn't being effectively enforced. Before adding more laws, don't you think that we ought to make sure the ones we already have are being implemented? I mean, you can't say something isn't working of you've never used it. Secondly limiting clip size does absolutely nothing. Did you know that the recent shooter in California had 40 ten round mags? What good did the CA ten round limit do there? None. I'll agree that walking around with an ar-15 for defense isn't the brightest idea, but it is a right guaranteed to us by the second amendment.
@Aperture Employee, Just going to point out that your argument is stronger than Just a Raccoon's.
@Texacan, Those are valid points but I live in Florida and this stand your ground law seriously pisses me off people are running around like gunslingers thinking they can kill a man if they're are scared like a little girl and then think they are such badasses.
@Udder Despair, and why am I defensive? Because I fvcking love guns! I've even built my own ar-15. Everyone in my family owns and is proficient with guns, and we would never kill anyone for any reason other than self defense. It annoys me when people suggest that inanimate objects are somehow evil, because it is an argument completely and totally devoid of logic and reason.
@Udder Despair, I've never been to Florida, so I can't say I know what it's like over there, but your statement sounds a little over exaggerated. Most law abiding gun owners arn't just itching for the chance to shoot someone just because they carry. They carry so that if someone intends to cause them harm the can stop them before it is done. They don't want to have to shoot anybody, but the are prepared just in case. It's asymmetrical risk, I'm not likely to be attacked, but if I am it could be very detrimental to me, so I carry a gun so I can prevent the attack in the unlikely event that it should happen.
@Texacan, With such a slim chance why not carry a stub gun or taser?
@Udder Despair, because those are not nearly as effective at stopping a threat. Tasers generally only have one shot, if you miss in the heat of the moment, you're dead. Furthermore if the attacker is on drugs they may not even realize they've been tased, as has happened to some police officers. A gun is the most sure fire way to defend yourself in this modern age.
@Texacan, I'm with ya on this one man, the only problem with guns, are the people who don't know how the fvck to properly use them. The even bigger problem is these kids who go shoot up schools, normally have no prior record and are good students, just don't have friends or a social life and they blow up. It's hard to catch that before something bad happens
@Texacan, that is a different argument guns were made for the sole purpose of killing cars are transportation
@Texacan, and they wouldn't be as effective at killing people
@Texacan, not really individual ownership of guns is not a guarantee in the constitution
@Texacan, money could be considered the most evil thin I the world soooo yeah
@Aperture Employee, Yea and without guns America would not exist guns have a great effect when offense but an even more powerful effect when used defensively. Take this scenario, China invades the US on our home front and keeps pushing our soldiers back the next line of defense is the American people not to cower in fear behind our military but to rise up and push back that is the basis of the second ammendment that is why it was put into our Constitution so we can fight all threats both foreign and domestic. You take away the peoples rights to guns and you take away for our countrys defense.
@Udder Despair, when the criminals get bigger firepower the civilians need more to match.
@funny pic veteran, I personally disagree because I don't think that scenario is nearly as likely as it was when the Bill of Rights was made. And therefore I also think that owning a gun should be considered a privilege, like owning a car, rather than a right. But that's just me.
@Fox News , wow, just wow. Your ignorance knows no bounds. Guns arn't made to kill, they are made to launch a projectile, hence the staple gun or the water gun. Cars are extremely effective at killing, hence the vehicular death toll vastly dwarfing the number of people killed with firearms. The second amendment specifically says, "The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." And money being evil is communistic drivel. Shut up before you make yourself look even more idiotic.
@Aperture Employee, I'm not saying that it's likely I'm saying there is always that constant threat and we always need to be prepared to face it freedom is more of a privilage than owning a gun
@Texacan, no I'm pretty sure they are made to kill things that was the intention of whomever invented firearms and if you read the whole 2nd amendment you would see the placement of that line is after the state right to keep a well regulated militia giving that right to anyone who was in a militia and I said all this without calling names and acting like a child all I did was state facts
@Aperture Employee, but it is! Haven't you heard of the bundy ranch? When the government literally tried to take all that the bundy family owned? And how they were driven back by the militia, something that couldn't happen in a subjugated society? I agree that gun owners should be responsible, but I also realize that you can't mandate that. It's just not possible or constitutional.
@funny pic veteran, If any of us were brave enough to fight a war against trained soldiers we would be in the military you talk big but we both know you and me are going to be hiding behind the military if we are invaded plus a semi auto rifle doesn't stand a chance against military weaponry.
@Fox News , you did it. Now you look even more idiotic than before. Way to go champ. The sole purpose of a firearm is to launch a projectile, nothing more. That or somehow the majority of people who use guns, you know the ones who go to the range, are somehow using them wrong. Do you know who the militia is? It's every citizen capable of fighting. You didn't state facts, all you did was state ignorance.
@Texacan, they only tried to take his cows and that was because he owed a lot of money for grazing fees like during the whiskey rebellion when people refused to pay taxes George Washington took the federal army and ended it with a show of force
@Udder Despair, well considering I'm signing into the Marines this summer I beg to differ I'm not afraid to fight or die for my country and what it stands for and that's why people are against the government taking away full autos you contradict yourself. And congrats you know how a gun works but it's a took and how you use it depends on how you use it defending yourself or loved ones isn't a immoral thing shooting up a school is.
@Udder Despair, you do realize that the military uses semi auto guns too, right? And that an m16 and an ar15 are pretty much the same, right? And no, unlike you, if we are invaded, I can defend myself. Sure the military's help would be nice, but I won't be dependent on them. Furthermore, brave people do exist outside of the military you know.
@Texacan, no most militias you need to sign up for and guns firearms ORIGINAL purpose was to kill things like animals and people you were fighting with in a war
@Fox News , you really haven't done any research, have you? You obviously don't know what the militia is. And how can you refute that ALL a gun is drained to do is launch projectiles! That's it!
@Texacan, if we could walk the streets with guns we would be no better than ISIS in Iraq carrying guns walking the streets scaring people who now won't go out because they are in fear for their lives
@funny pic veteran, If you serve I respect that but a lot of gun owners are cowards why do you think they own a gun in the first place because they are scared.
@Fox News , I'm not refuting that I'm just adding what the intensions were for firearms to kill
@Texacan, m16s are more powerful than an ar15 plus m16s are slowly being replaced with m4s and other full auto weapons and also if you took the amount of people brave enough to face an army and compared it to the amount of gun owners they are a small minority.
@Udder Despair, you sir I applaud you
@Fox News , no not at all. I own guns. Am I threatening people? Millions of Americans own guns, are they threatening people? Think about it. If what you said was true it would already be happening. It isn't, so you obviously don't know what you are talking about. The reason the isis is threatening people is because they are Muslim zealots, NOT because they have guns! If they didn't have guns, they would be using swords! Inanimate objects are not evil! Evil people are evil. Plain and simple. We carry guns so that when evil people show their true colors they can be put down before they cause too much trouble. And still no, guns were never intended to kill, just launch projectiles. Those projectiles are intended to kill sometimes, but projectiles have been used since man discovered stone, so launching projectiles is hardly new. What makes a gun more evil than a bow? Or a sling? Nothing, because a gun cannot be evil.
@Udder Despair, dude they are the exact same thing. They both shoot the same .223 round. How on earth is the m16 "more powerful?" M4 is the carbine variant of the m16, and it equates to a short barreled ar15, again, same thing. You don't need an army you just need a population that cannot be easily controlled, that's why the Swiss weren't invaded in WW2. You need to do more research.
@Texacan, I'm sorry I didn't take this argument as serious as you guys I literally just stated the obvious in the beginning and than this argument broke out.
@Texacan, Also are you implying you and your buddies are gonna stop a tank ?
@Udder Despair, it was not the obvious, it was an ignorant statement. I will, however, accept your apology if you cease arguing about something you don't seem to know very much about.
@sonnyrey4L, No, it's fcking NOT. I bet you could spend a half hour in any American school right now and pick out the ones who just need someone to treat them like they're worth something.
@Udder Despair, yes easily. are you implying that of two identical objects, one is somehow superior because of its name?
@Texacan, I will admit I know little about guns because I honestly don't care for them but I can't fathom how you would stop a tank without some sort of explosives.
@Udder Despair, of course you would use explosives, not that hard to procure. There are also many other vulnerability a that tanks have, like the crew. Tanks arn't invincible, the also arn't an excuse to give up my rights.
@Texacan, oh I'm sorry. I never knew that cars were made with the intent of killing people. Thanks for educating me on that....
@funny pic veteran, armed citizens cant do shlt against the Chinese military. Are you mentally incapable?
@Texacan, what other uses do guns have besides killing? Please tell me
@Texacan, You know what man I can tell your not a blubbering idiot afraid of the government so let's just end this endless bickering i respect your opinion but disagree.
@Rick Grimes, 1. Intent is of zero consequence in anything. All that matters is what happens, and it just so happens that more people die to cars than anything else. 2. An armed citizenry CAN resist the Chinese military, something you can't do, brainless as you are. 3. Ever heard of going to the range? Skeet shooting? Three gun? Competition shooting? Get this guns can be used to SHOOT TARGETS! Like most gun owners do, it's really quite fun, but you wouldn't know that, mentally neutered as you are.
@Texacan, no the m16 is a 5.56
@Udder Despair, thank you
@Rick Grimes, first of it was a scenario and it wouldn't get that far we would do to them what we did to Japan and Chinese don't want to go to war with us we give them way too much money
@funny pic veteran, dude 5.56mm is the exact same thing as .223 caliber. One is metric, the other standard, the only difference is the unit of measurement.
@Texacan, I can tell you don't believe that the 556 is 1/1000" wider and has more gunpowder in it because it is a NATO round wich increases it's fps and effective distance. It's just like 7.62 vs .308
@funny pic veteran, I know that, but it's a distinction without a difference.
@Texacan, dude I am a gun owner. Granted its small arms, but arms nonetheless. You honestly think citizens with even AR-15s can stop Chinese war machines. You must have some brain deficiency caused by too much Fox News you worthless twit. And how can even an idiot like yourself think that the first person to make a gun thought "boy I hope no one ever uses this" guns have one function. And that is to end life you bloody fool
@funny pic veteran, so is that another way of saying you don't have a comeback for that?
@Rick Grimes, you're an ignorant blind liberal you can't make a decent argument so you flame and call people idiots. China wouldn't go to war with us and if they did we would bomb them. Simple. Learn to build a decent argument without being a dick.
@Rick Grimes, I didn't say stop, I said resist. Learn to read. If guns only serve the purpose of killing, what on earth do you do with yours? How many people do you kill on a regular basis? And if you don't kill people, doesn't that prove my point? Who's the worthless twit?
@Texacan, no its definitely a difference considering a 223 will fire in a gun chambered in a 5.56 but a 5.56 won't fire in a gun chambered in a 223
@funny pic veteran, I've been doing it all the time with my custom built ar15 chambered in .223. I know from personal experience that you are wrong. 1/1000th of an inch does not make a difference in this case.
@Texacan, more gunpowder makes the difference
@Texacan, why is it that you have to attack people for their opinions everything I've stated has logic behind it and I never said anything about you why try to insult someone who is trying to have a nice friendly logical debate with you
@Texacan, you're so worried about your "rights" being infringed what about all the gun victims rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness being infringed when 20 some children are gunned down with an assault weapon. Are you saying your "right" is more important than theirs
@Fox News , 1. The minuscule amount of extra gunpowder equates to nothing more than a few extra fps of muzzle velocity, it does not have a significant effect. Quit talking about something you know nothing about. 2. You attacked me, genius, or did you already forget? Nothing you've stated has had a lick of logic behind it, and don't give me that bs about a friendly debate. You are not being friendly, and you are hardly debating. 3. That tragedy could have been prevented had even one teacher been armed, my rights have nothing to do with it. Psychos will still exist with or without guns, preventing law abiding citizens from having them won't change anything. Get over your pompous-ass self.
@Texacan, I never attacked you I just stated truths and no a teacher probably couldn't have prevented that and again with the stupid name calling it only makes you look worse commenting back at you isn't an attack also I don't feel ALL guns should be banned there should just be more laws like for vehicles we make laws to prevent death I believe that concealed carry sidearms should be all with limited mag size I mean its just for self defense
@Fox News , no, you haven't stated a single truth. Having someone to shoot the guy would have stopped him, teacher or otherwise. What good did the limited mag size do in California? The guy brought 40 of those perfectly legal 10 rounders. Ever heard of reloading? It's not that hard. Limiting mag size is 100% pointless. And NO guns should be banned because inanimate objects are not the problem. More laws won't do anything because not even the current laws are being enforced.
@Texacan, yeah when he was reloading someone took him down
@Fox News , you don't know what he was doing when he got taken down, you're just guessing. Even if he hadn't been reloading he still would have gotten shot.
@Texacan, they said on the news I'm not guessing
@Fox News , so? That still doesn't change the fact that limited mag size doesn't change anything. It only makes it annoying for law abiding shooters at the range. Ever heard of the starfish clip? A clip that allows you to hook 5 ten round mags together for speedy reloading? And it's completely California legal.
@Texacan, hey you're right that should be illegal too and the truths are that George Washington ended the whiskey rebellion with force and the second amendment was about militia rights and that firearms were meant to shoot and kill things
@Fox News , you do realize militias still exist? Right? A militia consists of civilians. They don't have to be state mandated because that defeats the purpose of a militia.. To stand agains the government if it gets too much power. Know how we have a system of checks an balances? That's one of ten
@Udder Despair, there are a lot of vets on this app btw.
@AverageWhiteBoy, in early America the militias were from state to state read the amendment
@Fox News , you need to read the amendment and do research. You are completely ignorant about the whole subject and to thick headed to listen to reason. Militias are made of civilians. It's not a special group you have to sign up to be a part of. Some states have groups if people that call themselves that states militia, but that doesn't mean you are not part of the militia if you are not part of that group. All it means is that you don't train with them or go to their meetings. It's not as cut and dry as you so ignorantly think. Saying your same reasonless arguments about guns over and over again does not lend them any credence. All it does is make you look insane.
@Texacan, AMENDMENT II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Notice the capitol s meaning state state not country state and it said nothin about individual ownership.That is a statement about the first half about all the people as a whole in a militia have the right to bear arms and in the times before the constitution the states all had regulated militias and the second amendment was added to ensure the federal army at the time could not unarm the militias
@Fox News , you keep saying it, and you're still wrong. I don't care how YOU interpret the second because you are an ignoramus. The militia is an army of the people, not any state regulated thing. Look it up and quit being and ignorant idiot.
@Texacan, I did look it up we have a thing called the state national guard each state has one and that is considered the militia
@Texacan, and AGAIN why do you have to try to insult me with names that just shows how childish you really are you act like anyone with a different view is stupid when there is a valid reason why a lot of people around the world have the same belief are you saying that everyone who isn't on your side is wrong?
@Fox News , no it isn't. Each state has a national guard yes, but it IS NOT the militia. Again, the militia is an army of the people, of citizens. The militia is any citizen of fighting age (some definitions exclude women, but I don't) able to fight. It is NOT the national guard. Quit being an ignorant idiot.
@Fox News , I'm not calling you names, I'm defining you. And yes, people who think guns, inanimate objects, are evil are wrong. Their called couple of
@Texacan, whoops, sent prematurely, meant to say that *they are called hoplophobes.
@Texacan, wow you are the ignorant one not me and I never said guns were evil
@Fox News , your words do, ignoramus. Wanting them banned is saying that they are the problem, that they are evil. You have an irrational fear of inanimate objects, and you have also resorted to name calling. The lack of brains on you! It's astounding.
@Texacan, irrational fear of something that aides in thousands of deaths per year that's called common sense and yeah after all you've said all I've called you is childish once lack of brains is thinking that guns are a solution to all problems
@Fox News , are you afraid of cars too? Did I say that they were the solutions to all problems? No, just the problem of defense. You make false claims and resort to name calling when pushed, how base. You can't read a dictionary and you have no reason. You are the definition of brainless.
@Texacan, I never made any false claims the state national guard is defined by congress to be militia and you have no
@Fox News , Militia: all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service. Your false claim is that I think guns are the solution to all problems. Ignoramus.
@Texacan, you called me and many other people names I think you need to open your eyes and understand our side I get yours you're worried about your rights but there is a point when society actually does something about issues like this and we must agree something has to be done and not just arming everyone
@Texacan, can't you act civilized and you make false claims of me thinking guns are evil
@Fox News , no we don't have to agree. That's the whole point of freedom and the reason we need to be able to defend ourselves. You say "I get your side" when you obviously don't. What you mean to say is "everybody that disagrees with me is wrong." This is extremely evident in your wordage. You claim moral superiority when you have none. You claim to be the inclusive one when in reality you are the biggot who thinks that everyone besides you needs to change. You are perhaps the most intellectually deprived person on this app besides raccoon.
@Fox News , can't you act educated?
@Texacan, you're describing yourself I was just trying to have a civilized discussion you think everyone needs to change because you insult everyone who doesn't agree with you I just wanted to state facts and give my side of the argument which I've done so goodbye
@Fox News , if guns arn't evil then why do you want them banned? If it's because people might use them for wrong doing, then you must ban cars, knives, bats, anything metal and pointy, gas, rope and anything else that also 'might' be used as well.
@Texacan, look I was done but its the effectiveness and range at which they are used and cars are meant for transportation guns were invented as weapons to kill
@Fox News , arguing intent is logical suicide. Was the "intent" of a plane to be rammed into the side of a building, killing thousands? No. It's what a thing is used for that matters, and most guns are only used to shoot cardboard, just as most cars and planes are used for transportation.
@Texacan, most people don't intend on hitting people with cars but most gun violence is intended
@Fox News , you have zero evidence to back up that claim. It is also inconsequential. Lots of murders are premeditated, but not all premeditated murder is done with firearms. You statement is therefore meaningless as the removal of guns changes nothing, and you argument is once again rendered invalid. This whole thing is originating with the logical error on your part that "because guns were created for killing, they must be banned." It is an ignorant idea with no basis in reality, and yet you continue to argue for it. Just for fun, let's say I agreed with you, what would you suggest as a solution to your perceived problem, and how would you go about enforcing it?
@Texacan, again it's the magnitude of the effectiveness guns are more deadly than any other weapon used in murder
@Texacan, you can run from someone with a knife and get away but when you are being shot at you can be shot while running
@Fox News , how so? How can someone be deader than dead? Planes seem to be far more effective judging by perp-to-death-count ratio. And cars are way better than guns at hitting moving targets. You also did not answer my question. What is your solution?
@Fox News , you can get away from a guy with a gun too. You are not presenting any good arguments.
@Fox News , dude seriously do some homework. You're thinking of the part that talks about each state maintaining it's own military... The national guard. Totally different from what a militia is. Militia is not in any form government run or under it's jurisdiction.
@Fox News , the national guard is not a militia. It's a military branch, state operated. Militia is private civilians.
@Fox News , so just because someone intends to do something harmful with an inanimate object we shouldn't good people have it?
@Fox News , is it a problem that they are designed for that? In the correct context firearms are appropriate and necessary for taking action. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Criminals will ALWAYS have firearms, law abiding citizens will not if Uncle Sam outlaws them. It's plain and simple, society is too far along, at least in American culture, to take firearms away from the people. In an ideal world, yes, I believe they shouldn't be necessary (I would still own them because I enjoy my range time). The fact is we need them. It is completely absurd to rely entirely on the government for protection. We are supposed to be for the people by the people, not for the leaders and by the politicians.
@AverageWhiteBoy, The organized militia defined by the Militia Act of 1903, which repealed section two hundred thirty-two and sections 1625 - 1660 of title sixteen of the Revised Statutes, consists of State militia forces, notably the National Guard and the Naval Militia. The National Guard, however, is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States, which is a federally recognized reserve military force, although the two are linked.
@Fox News , read the fvcking dictionary you brainless twit. You are one if the biggest idiots I have ever seen. Are you ever going to answer my question? Or am I to take your silence as your acceptance that you realize that your argument is completely without merit?
Yeah but they definitely help...
@Just a raccoon, sorry! Took a very long time to get to the bottom of the thread but I wanted to say I'm on your side. I think if we made it harder for people to acquire guns, gun violence would reduce. Make sure they're in the hands of responsible people. None of this "they'll get them no matter what" crap, if it's hard to get, they might think twice about it and not be impulsive. Sorry to keep extending the conversation I just think that people are giving you sh!t for your opinion when it is a completely valid one.
@Peter Capaldi, thanks man!
@Peter Capaldi, they will get them no matter what. Criminals are criminals BECAUSE they break the law. Having laws banning guns is therefore pointless. If you side with him then that means you are an ignorant fool as well.
@Texacan, there's nothing ignorant about having an opinion. And I'm not suggesting banning guns, I'm suggesting making sure they're in the hands of responsible people, via background checks and limits on ammo, etc. We can help protect against them ending up in the wrong hands, whereas making it easy for everyone to get guns pretty much ensures that they will end up in the hands of someone who is dangerous. We should make it harder for dangerous people to procure weapons that could cause extreme damage. So if all you're not going to give me any reasoning behind your opinion, good day
@Peter Capaldi, of the two things you proposed, neither would have stopped any of the tragedies that have happened in recent years. Furthermore laws like those are already in place, they arn't being enforced, so tell me, how would more laws help? Also limiting ammo only hurts law abiding citizens like me who like to go shooting at the range on the weekends, not criminals, who only need 20 rounds to kill 20 people. This is what makes your opinion ignorant.
@Texacan, so, what, the answer is more guns? I'm sorry, but that's unacceptable. In the US, we have 88 guns for every 100 people. The argument that more guns around would discourage these attacks is crap. The Fort Hood shooting involved a man who killed 13 people on a military base, surrounded by guns and people who were trained to use them. But of your point, it's half true. The laws are being enforced, but because of loopholes in them, are sometimes ineffective. Which is why we need stronger gun laws on the books, because restricting the access to firearms discourages these kinda of attacks. And about "criminals are criminals because they break the law": most of these recent shooters are not criminals, at least not until they kill these people. If we make it more difficult for them to procure weapons it could discourage their occurrence. My point is, the US blows away every other country in the world with the amount of guns we have, and yet we also have a much higher rate of (cont)
@Texacan, (cont) murders by guns. More guns is not the answer, but stricter gun laws might be. Sorry for the rant
@Peter Capaldi, your entire argument is based on opinion not fact. Fact is, guns deter crime, look at Switzerland and Israel where nearly all citizens are armed. The laws are not being enforced, read the news. Making it more difficult to procure firearms only hurts law abiding citizenry. People breaking the law don't care about the law, so how will more law help? You arn't making sense. We have more murders by guns because we have more people. What you are saying is the same as there are more car crashes in the us than in Texas. Where is the logic?
@Peter Capaldi, ever heard the expression "locks just keep honest people honest"
@Peter Capaldi, same goes with gun control. If a criminal wants a firearm they will get a firearm. Why do you think arms dealing is such a lucrative business?
@Texacan, here's an analogy: if the solution to gun violence is more guns, then the solution to obesity is super sized meals, and the solution to lung cancer is cigarettes.
@Peter Capaldi, that is an analogy based on a logical fallacy. Guns are not the cause of crime, and supersized meals are not the cause of obesity. If you take away guns, crimes will still happen, if you take away supersized meals (which actually happened btw) people will still be obese. Again, your argument is logically flawed and therefore wrong. You are entitled to your own opinion, NOT your own facts.
@Texacan, just saying that guns make killing EASIER, make crime EASIER. just like super sized meals make obesity easier, and you can get lung cancer without smoking, but cigarettes definitely don't help. No, guns don't cause crime, but if we make access to them easier, they'll almost certainly end up in the wrong hands. And having more people around with guns to stop one person intent on killing isn't the way to go, it'll only lead to shootouts and/or civilian casualties
@Peter Capaldi, It also makes it harder for them to end up in the right hands. It also doesn't stop them from ending up in the wrong hands. The majority of gun users do not commit crime. Just as the majority of car users do not commit crime. Are you saying we should ban all guns just because someone is likely to be killed with one? Then why not ban cars? Hell, why not ban vending machines for causing 3 deaths on average per year? Crime will be committed guns or no. Preventing law abiding citizens from having guns only makes criminals more bold, or did you not hear about the Norway shooting? Where the perp killed around 70 defenseless individuals, because none if them were armed? Even with the strictest gun laws in the world, criminals will still be able to get guns because they don't follow the law. The "guns make it easier" argument is flawed too. So do cars, planes, knives, hammers, rope, any tool really. All you can do about crime is protect yourself, or be willing to accept the -
@Texacan, consequences of not doing so.
@Just a raccoon, Hey man, I just wanted to say that I completely support you and admire you for being the bigger man and not coming down to their level of indecency. I am actually appalled at how these people have been treating you, and just yesterday I thought Funny Pics had one of the best communities out there. Guess I was wrong.
@BlueBastion, wow thanks you so much for these kind words! man you made my day.
@Just a raccoon, No need to thank me, I'm just trying to be a decent human being.
@BlueBastion, hey genius, he's the one who STARTED the argument. He's hardly the "bigger man" for spouting off ignorance and hate, and crawling away with his tail between his legs. He's just another whiny schlub like you.
@Texacan, *Sigh* You show every sign of an internet troll: Picking fights, insulting others, lying, etc. Although I doubt you care, I really don't want to get into an argument, especially not with someone like you who resorts to name calling and other disrespectful behavior. So if you would oblige, let's just end this before it starts, ok?
@BlueBastion, "other disrespectful behavior" like calling me and every on else hating on this reasonless twit appalling and indecent? Hypocrite.
@Texacan, I know I shouldn't respond to you, but I'm going to anyway. If you would have actually read my comment, I said that I was appalled (I never said you or anyone else was appalling) and that your behavior was indecent (again, I never said that your or anyone else was indecent.) Now hopefully we don't have to take this conversation any further, as I would like it to end before it devolves into what I saw previously.
@Texacan, you give Texas a bad name
@BlueBastion, ending it is entirely up to you as you were the one who started it. You said you were appalled, what were you appalled at if not me or the other commenters? The indecent behavior is completely reasonable given the indecency of the arguments instigator, the sniveling raccoon, whom you call the victim.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, not really. We texans don't like trash is our state. Read the road signs. You bring shame to all those responsible for your meaningless existence for being such and ignorant imbecile.
@Texacan, You know what? No, just no. I'm not talking to you anymore. The most important rule of the internet is to not indulge trolls.
@BlueBastion, and yet here you are. Continuing to talk...
@BlueBastion, should of stoped replying as soon as you. You rock.
@Just a raccoon, and you should have never said anything. This whole argument could have been avoided if you had kept your idiotic trap shut.
America is beyond saving at this point. If gun were banned there, there are already so many guns that it would only make things worse since people would be able to defend themselves. Gun laws only work in Europe (most of it anyway) because there just aren't any guns to begin with. It will take decades to get America to the level of Everyone else.
PRO GUN NEW YORKER!
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im not american but im glad guns are illegal in my country. guns make it easier to kill, if you say "no im responsible" then what happens when you find your wife cheating on you when you have a gun? your child being raped, while you have a weapon on you? this is why usa has a high criminality rating. guns make it easier to scare and kill people
@Just a raccoon, we are not savages, we are civilized people. I heard that in texas you can't look for trouble or you might get shot. what society is that? we are in 2014, come on!
@Just a raccoon, *Deep breath* I'm sorry I have to do this for the community. *Sprays you with fire extinguisher* This is what you get, you flame war starter!
@Just a raccoon, i dont have a child, but if my child was being raped i would have no problem pulling a gun on the person doing it.
@Just a raccoon, If my child is being raped, I'm gonna kill the person if I have a gun or not.
@HeManWithASp00nMask, yes, and this is why guns make it easier to kill
@Just a raccoon, but, if my child was being raped, I would either beat the sh!t out of the rapist, or shoot him.
@The Milky Man, sorry!
@Just a raccoon, actually in Switzerland, everyone has some sort of carbine weapon (for get which m-something it is), and everyone is trained to use it and at any given point and time someone could just go on a rampage with but no one ever does. The police there contribute it to any would be mass murderers realize they wouldn't get anywhere before they are gunned down themselves. Not meaning to start a war but food for thought.
@The Pumpkin King, it would be easier with a gun, and people would call murder even if they dont know your story
@Just a raccoon, here in Arizona we have a town called tombstone where every citizen carries a gun and there hasn't been a crime in +50 years if civilians carried guns with proper training crime rate would drop self defense and personal protection is what our second amendment is for if you see a child getting get in AZ you can legally walk up and shoot them in the head (what should happen) same with armed robbery, GTA, 2nd degree arson, and and murder guns in the wrong hands hurt people yes just like they always have but if there's more responsible people with guns it's not such a problem. Sorry for the long post but people need to realize why guns are needed
@Just a raccoon, okay my dude..If I find my child being raped. Whoever is there better hope I have a gun because it is going to be much less painful for that Individual. We blame guns but look at the people who kill. All the mass murders are people who have a lack of social skills a and are force fed anti depressants rather than actually finding a solution to their issues. And people in impoverished parts of the country who have little to no options and are brought up in a gang culture that our country does little to nothing as a whole to help. We blame guns. But America has far more severe underlying issues.
@Just a raccoon, They are pretty understanding in most states here in America. I would go on but I can't hear you over gunpowder explosions and freedom.
@funny pic veteran, well, usa are almost the only ones legalizing every guns. Why other contry don't need to legalize weapons? Crime rare is lower yes, because we dont have weapons. dont need to sorry for your post.
@Just a raccoon, rate* sorry for horrible grammar
@TheRev93, people in poor mental condition will find it harder to get a gun if it's illegal
@The Milky Man, I did start a war holly crap
@Just a raccoon, because they have a hard time finding drugs? And other things that are illegal?
@Just a raccoon, I'm from Texas, your statement is false.
@TheRev93, it is harder to find drugs if it's illegal
@Just a raccoon, you are so deprived of reason and intellect it's astounding that you are still alive. Have fun being a neutered peasant for the rest of your life. Better hope nothing bad ever happens to you because you are soooo unprepared.
@Texacan, that was my opinion, thank you for respecting it. now I will ask you to look at the other comments and look back at yours. I think I am not the one with lack of intellect.
@Just a raccoon, news flash pumpkin, gun deaths are less than 1% of all deaths in America, but don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your misinformed opinion.
@Just a raccoon, um I don't know if you have been to any American high schools. It is not hard to find drugs. You just kind of yell "drugs" and there is someone willing to sell. And what happens when they make guns illegal? All the law abiding people turn them in? Right? Okay..so once the people who follow the law have no guns. And I'm sure all the people who have illegal guns will stop using them because it "isn't fair" stronger regulation I agree. But you can't take away the guns in america..we are past that point. Crime really would go through the roof. And the South would start a civil war because you are not taking their guns. The best way to stop bullying is to teach everyone how to fight. At this point I think the same ideology would prove effective at this point.
@TheRev93, this is true, you can't take guns of america I agree. but my argument was about guns, guns do make it easier to kill. btw : if you make guns legal you become the contry with more guns in the world :p
@Just a raccoon, if anybody were to rape my kid, and I didn't have a gun, I'd take a knife, castrate him, stop the bleeding with an iron and just hook up a tube to a nice artery and let him slowly bleed out while I use a stapler in sensitive areas... Like eyelids, nipples, back of arm..... Does this work better? I mean torment instead of quick and easy? Cause fvck calling the police so he can get 3 free meals a day and housing for a few years (if you're lucky) until they say "you've served your time" sorry but I'm not sorry about this post, when it comes to my kids I kinda loose it on this matter
@Kel El, yes, it is better to make them;suffer
@Just a raccoon, oh and if you look at the "high crime rating" most of our prisoners are there. Not for guns, but the failed war on drugs where we incarcerate non violent offenders to fuel the prison industrial complex. It adds to the numbers but numbers don't tell you what is really going on.
@Just a raccoon, I live in Texas and people don't go around shooting people we keep guns for protection. Plus there way worse ways to die then being shot! So stop hating
@Just a raccoon, not enough brains to know when to quit, eh? Explains your gun logic.
@Manatee be me, sorry, but I am not hating, im sharing my opinion
@Texacan, can you please stop feeling offended, im sharing my opinion, not telling you are stupid, I am not hating or anything.
@Just a raccoon, what you are doing is being an ignorant fool who can't admit when he's wrong.
@Just a raccoon, have you ever been to Portugal or any other western country. It's harder to get good grades than it is to get drugs
@Thehairyrussian,yes, im portuguese!
@Texacan, man you must hate life!
@Just a raccoon, says the guy who wants everyone to be a defenseless victim! Get your head out of your ass.
@Just a raccoon, dude... Guns aren't the problem... There are more deaths from hammers in the us than guns. The problem is that there is no real help for those who need it. If there were no guns, then they'd use knives. If there were no knifes then they'd use their fists. Guns aren't the problem, people and circumstance are the problem.
@ImAFvckingDog, yea, but I prefer a contry where I dont see any guns.
@Just a raccoon, Switzerland trains people to use guns and issues them out. They have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. In the UK they have a lot of stabbings like we have with guns. If we didn't have guns the crime rate would sky rocket because criminals dont care about the law and will shoot people anyways. The only thing that stops a monster with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I live in Florida where there are stand your ground laws. I honestly feel safer knowing anyone around me could have a gun and know how to use it.
@Sassy Rick Grimes, I feel safer when I know most of the people dont cary guns
@Just a raccoon, you prefer being a cowardly lemming.
@Sassy Rick Grimes, if you know martial arts, you can defend yourself vs knifes :p
@Just a raccoon, that's great for you. Too bad when you get mugged and the bad guy has a gun and you have nothing
@Texacan, you prefer replying to me instead of doing something productive? wow thank you
@Sassy Rick Grimes, yup ill give my money instead of pulling out a gun and getting shot
@Just a raccoon, But you aren't. So have fun defending yourself with your ignorant opinions. Peace
@Sassy Rick Grimes, peace
@Just a raccoon, just so you know, even tho I have a different opinion than you, I don't think people should downvote you just because they don't agree with you. Take my upvotes for freedom of speech!!!
@acsdog, thanks a lot man! World need more people like you!
@Just a raccoon, did you just say that reply to someone instead of doing something productive, while criticizing them for replying to you instead of doing something productive? Should I be laughing or hitting my head against the wall?
@ImAFvckingDog, you can laught, dont hurt yourself for a stupid being
@Just a raccoon, "replying to me instead of doing something productive?" What, you mean just like you? You're only making a bigger case for your total lack of reason.
@Texacan, yo, do you hate me?
@Just a raccoon, I think he hates idiot logic. And you have been spewing idiot logic for the entirety of this post.
@Just a raccoon, no, I feel sorry for you.
@JackoftheDead, dude, its my opinion. you hate it? ok fine, but dont come;saying sht like idiot logic, it doesn't even make sense
@Just a raccoon, I'm beginning to suspect you're just a child rapist who doesnt want to be stopped...
@Texacan, good. then you can stop calling people morons, have a great day, because it seems like your day is going like sh!t right now
@Imperfect Circle, you...how did you know. you ruined my plan!
@funny pic veteran, in Phoenix, two priests were literally just shot and killed a few days ago
@Just a raccoon, so you are a child rapist. That explains your moral and logical depravity,
@Texacan, and im pretty sure you are just a child.
@Just a raccoon, your logic is that of a child's. Your behavior is too. Now what does that lead us to assume, hm?
@Texacan, lmao byebye, I dont talk with unrespectful kids
@Just a raccoon, funny, because you are one.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, OK? If you read what I put that stuff does happen I can talk about the shooting in Colorado and Ohio that stuff happens Yea but it happens less when people are prepared and know how to act in those situations and one of them lived. The west coast (AZ) has a third the crime rates than the east coast where gun control is everywhere the greatest defense this nation has its citizens with guns ready to defend
@Just a raccoon, how are you so stupid???
@Cpzombie, thank you for respecting my opinion.
@Just a raccoon, I respect opinions that are not just stupid. I do not respect yours.
@Cpzombie, good. no need to call people stupid. I am not. I only have different opinions
@Texacan, dog, chill out. He's sharing his opinion on guns, not telling you that you're a ignorant prick. I'm for guns just as much as you, I live in Alabama for fvcks sake. But this started as a civil debate. Not a civil war of the funny pics community.
@Just a raccoon, *pokes head out* Is the war over yet?
@The Megaton Bomb, nope, im sorry but I am still receiving replies.
@Isaac Da Albino, sorry, but when an opinion has no basis in reality it really irks me. Rendering this kind of person unable to respond is just a way of entertaining myself.
@Just a raccoon, opinions that show your stupidity. The fact that being called stupid irritates you so shows that you know it to be true.
@Just a raccoon, some of our cities like Chicago have quite strict gun laws, yet they are also cities with the highest gun-related homicide rates.
@Elphaba Thropp, thanks for the fact
@Just a raccoon, the fact that gun control doesn't work.
@Just a raccoon, sorry if this has already been said, but here is my opinion. In the US, drugs are illegal. People still get drugs every day. If guns were illegal in the US, people would still get guns. The people who wouldn't get guns would be good honest people. The people who would get guns are bad people who are buying illegal guns for murder. So the only thing that making guns illegal would do is to make sure that good people who just want to protect themselves won't have guns. If guns are legal, people can protect themselves and crime rate will go down because people are less likely to fight of they suspect there will be resistance and also people will be able to get guns legally so no crimes there either. My point is that legalizing guns only makes honest people vulnerable to attacks because they won't be able to defend themselves from bad people with illegal guns. This is just my opinion. Thank you. *grabs popcorn*
@Just a raccoon, right then just don't break the law and you won't get shot that's a formula that works it's called common sense
@Just a raccoon, my god you're ignorant.
@Texacan, I sincerely think he doesn't understand the difference between opinion and ignorance and judging by his vocabulary and responses I'd say just a raccoon is 13 or 14 years old tops. You guys gave all the arguments to convince any logical person but clearly this isn't the situation so I think you should stop replying to him before he cries. I'm all for personal opinions but this is ridiculous.
@Just a raccoon, Rapists are one of the groups of people to defend against. One of the reasons personal defense should be encouraged.
@Just a raccoon, "Legalizing every guns"? You are aware of the massive restrictions on magazine size and assault weapons, right?
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, english is my third language, and I dont think I am acting like a kid.
@An Atomic Alpaca, true. *grabs some popcorn*
@Just a raccoon, "Harder to find drugs if it's illegal." Right. That's why kids at my high school were always high, and why I always hear people talking about "some bomb crystal" they scored last night.
@SimonPetrikov, I think I never saw a gun where I live. So I think making it illigal helps a bit.
@Sassy Rick Grimes, Ooooooh you ARE sassy
@Just a raccoon, I only see guns at ranges and gun fairs (which have strict security measures in place). What is your impression of the USA, that we all walk around with a gold-plated .45 sticking out of our crotch?
@Just a raccoon, I didn't say you're acting like a kid, kid. You're responses are what gave you away, you're so called reasoning is that of a person with a child's mental capacity. 90 percent of people's replies have put you're reasoning to shame and you haven't came up with a single logical argument besides guns kill people faster. No fvcking shlt Sherlock and cars take you places faster than walking. You think because they kill people faster the world would be better off without them is an ignorant statement, there will always be disturbed people on this planet who will always find a way to complete their desires so I'd rather own a gun and have a safe state of mind than be a defenseless human at the hands of a disturbed person with a gun. Get you're head out of your ass you ignorant little shlt
@Texacan, Alright, I think it's great that you're defending gun rights, but you are soiling your argument. Attack the political stance, not the person.
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, goddamit my comment didnt said. it was about me not insulting you and you being agressive. nuff said
@Just a raccoon, this proves you're a child. You have no defense for you're argument so you focus on me insulting you. The majority of my last reply was defending my argument and you focus on the insults. That is why texacan and I are insulting you because you're so goddamn ignorant and can't produce a logical argument for your so called opinion. I have gotten into arguments where the other person took something relatively close to your stance but they knew how to back up their argument so the conversation was more civilized but with ignorant people there is no civilized argument because they can't be reasoned with and won't let logic into their thick ass skulls just like yourself.
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, Yup. I will stay with my fvcking opinion and get back to buisness, dont reply to stupid littles sh!t heads like me and stop giving my phone notifications.
@Just a raccoon, my god you truly are dense as fvck. You've replied to this post more than anyone else and you're bitching about notifications? And of course you still can't defend your argument but at least you can admit you're a stupid little shlt head btw you're words not mine.
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, what argument? all you are saying right now is sh!t ohh and why am I bothering, bybye have a good day.
@Just a raccoon, I don't think you understand what you just did.You messed with Texas.You don't EVER.Mess.With Texas.
@Just a raccoon, holy fvck not even exaggerating when I say you are one of the densest mother fvckers I have ever met. You truly don't seem to understand anything at all do you? It's better if you do just leave dont stress yourself with too much thinking today
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, you should talk to me and not write to me so you could see how much fvcks I give
reallym you guys are the ones that are pissed of, im just here, playing sims with friends and having a good time. (lol, you, dont stress yourslef)
@Just a raccoon, you really live up to your name, don't you? A tiny insignificant being, with a brain the size of a walnut. You talk smack but can't take it, and you are overall a very sad, sad, individual.
@Just a raccoon, you clearly give enough fvcks to keep on replying genius. And we aren't pissed off we're just frustrated considering the fact we're dealing with an extremely dense pile of cum
@Texacan, are you guys done? im occupied
@Just a raccoon, took a very long time
@Just a raccoon, obviously you're not, otherwise you'd stop polluting this app with your continued presence. Don't even try to pretend your not a loser.
@Just a raccoon, youve seen Red Dawn. We need them.
@funny pic veteran, except that's a society based on fear instead of trust and not one I would want to live in.
@Just a raccoon, don't talk about my state like you fvcking know us.
@Texacan, holy shlt. This has literally been your and raccoons entire Saturday XD. Looks like you're both fvcking losers. XD
@Brave Sir Robin, fear? The criminal is the one with fear. The fear of being shot by the person he is about to rob or the owner of the house he is breaking into, if the government gets rid of guns they take the fear away from the criminals and they can do what ever the hell they want. Yea get rid of guns so criminals can't get them? Cause criminals follow the law right? Maybe in a peaceful world without violence the idea might hold up but in reality guns are very much a part of making sure you get the freedom and protection you want
@Elphaba Thropp, the guns come from out of state mostly from Indiana
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, he's not the ignorant one you are there is no need for name calling
@The Megaton Bomb, I read it on the internet so it must be true.
@Fox News , no need for name calling and you call me ignorant in the same sentence? Good job you managed to destroy your credibility in one sentence
@Brave Sir Robin, so much for being brave, sir robin.
@funny pic veteran, that's an idiotic argument. In that case why have any laws if criminals disobey them anyway? And if everyone in the world had guns then there would just be more chance of people killing innocent people on accident or suspicion like Trayvon. This is why I don't think there should be more people with guns. Because I don't trust people to not make mistakes.
@AlaskanBu11Worm, funny that you're calling the guy that agrees with you a loser. Does that make you a loser as well? I think it does. Man you are too dumb.
@Brave Sir Robin, that's not an argument it's a fact that criminals don't follow laws... That's why they are criminals?! And no the best defense this country has is its armed citizens. If it weren't for guns you wouldn't have freedom.
@Brave Sir Robin, "why have any laws if criminals disobey them anyway?" Do you hear yourself? A criminal IS a criminal BECAUSE they break the law. "I don't trust people to not make mistakes" yet you trust your government to prevent criminals getting guns? Are you dense?! Wait, dumb question, you demonstrated that quite thoroughly.
@Fox News , thanks
@Just a raccoon, for what? Saying the same mentally inept drivel as you? Hardly an accomplishment.
@Just a raccoon, umm... No.
@Just a raccoon, why do you think people carry guns? So we aren't the ones in the body bag.
@Just a raccoon, no problem this guy is really insulting I mean we are all entitled to our own opinion and can say whatever about it but the things he said were just mean
@Fox News , you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts, something you can't seem to differentiate.
@Just a raccoon, so you heard a rumor about Texas (probably from all of the web surfing you do) and as a foreigner assume something that you have no proof or forts had experience of? I have visited Texas several times, my brother was stationed there for 6 years. Texans are some of the nicest people an they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country. Pardon my French but I am jut so sick and tired of your sh!t.
@Just a raccoon, bull sh!t. I could walk down to the corner and find connections to buy any drug I desire tonight. Outlawing anything doesn't make a difference. Look at the prohibition. It only made keg runners and moonshiners more zealous.
@funny pic veteran, I just want to say I think I have made some new friends on this app. You and Texacan are probably my two favorite strangers now.
@Just a raccoon I'm too young to own a gun but I feel much safer when I know that my dad not to far away usually CCing his .45 (side note) if I hear the word "clip" one more time I will need to punch somthing!
@Fox News , HEY! That was uncalled for! I'm a Hoosier an I'm proud of it. Got a problem with it?
@Merlin, no that's just where the guns mostly come from
@Fox News , what? can't argue your view anymore because you realize how idiotic you are? So now you just attack other people? How shameless.
@SimonPetrikov, well of course he is! :)
@Just a raccoon, If someone was trying to rape my child, I would not hesitate to kill them. And not everyone can just carry around a gun, you need a special license for it. I can personally say I'm a responsible person, and I only use a gun for hunting, and thankfully I've never had to use it as a weapon. But if it came to the point where someone's life was in danger, I would use it.
@Ike Broflovski, you don't need a license just a permit if you're going to conceal carry it
Summary of the massive debate:
"Your opinion is stupid!"
"No yours is!"
@danskkrieger, I never said their opinion was stupid it is valid I just feel our side should be heard too
@Fox News , I meant the others. The ones who really got into it.
@danskkrieger, it's not a matter of opinion, it's fact versus fiction.
@Fox News , except you did.
@Texacan, as did you.
@danskkrieger, because illogic is stupid, smart one.
@Texacan, no I didn't your side was the only one calling us stupid for a valid opinion
@Fox News , you didn't state an opinion, you stated BS like it was fact.
So do knifes kill people?
I feel the picture of Stewie is unnecessary
Wtf does this have to do with Stewie Griffin?
Silly Stewie! Everyone knows forks make people fat- not spoons.
If we didn't have writing implements, we wouldn't spell
@AlaskanBu11Worm, and we'd still be cavemen.
I like how they misspelled misspell.
My little brother tried to explain to me that it was my fault his keyboard broke because I was the one who made the tea that he spilled
Yup, dats y I'm obese.... I have a problem
Pencils, cars, and spoons aren't designed to kill people.
Was I the only one who read this in his voice
Now nobody will notice my actually funny comment on FUNYPICS...
And toast toast toast
@Death By Papercut, I noticed, sempai
and criminals commit cr-, oh, wait...
Fast Food makes people fat not the spoon. But could be an accomplice.
@David The Gnome, people's disregard for their health makes people fat. Fast food can't make you fat. If a McDouble was sitting on the table and you were staring right at it you wouldn't gain 3 pounds. People need to take responsibility for their actions. That is the problem with society in general. Blame the McDouble not the fat ass eating his 5th one of the day.