There is enough discussion on this thread, can I just point out how much I like this template? I want more uses of it.
Ha, he said the thing. The hurtful harsh reality, the lack of responsibility, and the coddling of the true victims in this country. Black kids are being fed the lie that they never while succeed, day in day out. By the politicians, by the teachers, by their pastors, and by their parents. These dejected kids don't see a way out cuz I don't got a good role model ether. It's rappers, getting chains, hitting bitches, and going blat blat at pigs. So it's no wonder you get toxic kids from toxic environments, these kids are products of a culture. And with a culture, it reaches in deep and roots itself into America. Is fungus will keep growing and keep spray. Scraping it off doesn't matter, it's getting to the root of the problem that will take this problem out. Rap is crap, dems are slavers, and black father's matter.
@That one lurker, oh my gosh how dare you speak the truth. You've made me so angry I'm now going to vent my anger by looting my neighbors' businesses and burning them down.
@That one lurker, damn bro. that last line was a mic dropper. rap is terrible to people’s minds
@That one lurker, mainstream rap is bad, I think more thought provoking is true rap, hopsin for instance
@Dr TalleyWacker, Ill mind of hopsin 5 comes to mind for this comment chain.
@Dr TalleyWacker, I grow up in a private school, we got some black kids but they was "taught white" so I never had any friends that could get me into good rap. Got any recommendations? Gorillaz are as far as I honestly go, and their later albums seem like a grab bag for artists.
@That one lurker, hopsin for sure, tech n9ne is fun, nf, eminem, machine gun kelly (merry go round) is a good one
@That one lurker, I gotta disagree at the end a bit. Society places minorities in untenable positions they can't get out of. Of course they have a high likelihood of crime, but that's not there fault. It's ours. That's not to say they shouldn't be better, but in their position, I couldn't succeed. Why should they?
@KingofFunnypics, I disagree with your premise. It is about the class of the people not cause they're a minority.
Why are you so flippant about your crime portion like they are products of habit. Did you see the Macy's Smackdown video? Where the dudes brother beat a white boy? The dudes argument was what else could he, his brother, do. Why is it that both of these arguments are on habits like this man was a wild bear or something. I disagree with their premise on this alone, I know you mean well. You are doing no one any favor by treating, these men like they're lesser then a white counterpart.
@That one lurker, I'm not saying that any minority is lesser. But poor people in the USA can't seem to catch a break nowadays. It results in over representation of minorities since they often are less affluent than others due to more recent attrocities against them. They did nothing wrong, and yet despite working just as hard they fail to succeed. That's a systemic societal problem.
@KingofFunnypics, I have two things
I read a political message I look for jumps or terms of logic to determine what the person is thinking. I massive pivot used is "but" because it switches context for the entire statement of a sentence. The moment you place a "but" I disregard what you just said because you disregarded what you just said. If you're just saying something to say something that is indicative to your mindset.
On your second points, on systemic social problems. I completely agree. Democrats have ran horrible cities that aloud bad cops to fester and corrupt unions to be unmatched. Bloomberg admitted while he was mayor of New York that he had cops primarily patrol black neighborhoods for his stop-and-frisk policy. He staighted it was about race. A former CNN anchor came out and admited that CNN executives want to "right kind of black people on" when it came to booking for their show. So yes, I agree the institutions of the left are inherently racist.
@That one lurker, reminds me of Dinesh D'Souza "inner cities are the modern-day plantations"
@voided sanity, talk about das leaders brother get thrown in jail for a few years. Moment he gets out, makes a movie about dems history with the klan. Boss
@That one lurker, oh I'm sorry you thought I'd quiet down. Sorry I'm already on my third middle finger of a movie that exposes you and everything you're about. Better luck next time -flies away on his presidential pardon-
@KingofFunnypics, that is because of the racist democrat policies. “You are a victim, and cannot succeed without our help! You can’t do it on your own so be sure to vote Democrat, we are the only ones that can help you”.
That is literally what they say. I’m not even being hyperbolic.
Imagine growing up your entire life being told that you are a victim and you need the great white saviors. That shît is toxic.
@That one lurker,
I believe I understand your point with regards to rap, which is that it acts to spread a toxic cultural element of gang violence, criminal activity, violence against women, etc. I think that's a misnomer though. Rappers began by describing their lives, which for many happened to already have those elements of gang culture and criminality already established. It seems to me we can't blame rap as an art form anymore than we can blame rock for drug use or unplanned pregnancies. The culture exists before the music, the artists describe their lives through music, and those elements propagate. But rap and rock have good messages and bad depending on those individual artists, they are not amalgamations. Yes, rappers use rap to convey a message that may be detrimental to young minds, encouraging gang culture and criminality. But its not the medium itself, which is vast, but the culture and experiences of the indivuduals it stems from. Just my two cents.
@That one lurker,
TLDR; With regards to rap, the metaphor would be you are blaming the gun and not the guy who chooses to shoot. That's my main point. Rap has good and bad artists, but is just an art form on its own.
@KingofFunnypics, I was born and raised in a low-income, high-crime area. It was my peers (not any government, school system, or higher authority) that wanted to “keep me down”. I saw from a young age that I would need to work hard to achieve better in life, and all my local leaders encouraged me to do so (with counseling, scholarships, affirmative action, etc.). I heard peers keeping ambitious colleagues down with regular comments like “Why you trying to be white?”, and eventual ostracization. Those who want to succeed, will succeed. There are so many opportunities for minorities, but peer pressure, lack of guidance, and misplaced role-models (fatherless homes, mixed messages from media and politicians) are truly what holds the communities down. The current messages being promulgated are insulting to all minorities who have worked hard to achieve something better than where they started. It’s disgusting.
@Sexy Homunculus, Take that Walmart! *Sets fire to small bakery*
@That one lurker, to build on the other guys list, old chance the rapper (his first couple albums), kendrick lamar, jcole, tyler the creator, joey badass all have great lyrics. Also raz simone and kevin gates get honorary mentions
@Who Nose, 100%. There are tons of successful black people in the USA, and they all got there the same way. By taking personal responsibility, by making good choices to forward a long term goal, and by not having kids out of wedlock. All of the successful non black people got there the same way also.
There are so many people, it seems, that don’t understand the concept of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
@PottedPlant, even as someone who does not like rap, I can agree with you completely.
@big freedom, I see a lot of hate on the dems, but in this two party system we got in the states what’s the alternative when the other side is blatantly racist?
@That one lurker, I will agree most rap is crap (not all, some people even make some of the points you make), but remind me again how democrats are slavers? That’s seems more like the party associated with the confederacy if anyone
@PottedPlant, thank you for the good break down. The problem I have with is role models and the idealization.
I know it sounds weird, yes, music contributes to the cultural breakdown of individuals. If I misrepresented you I'm sorry. Rock and roll did contribute to drug use, let me see if I can break it down. Music is feeling, concentrated. Genre is diffrent languages to speak to a soul. Music feeds and nurtures the soul with feelings. Sad songs so you're not alone, power song to pump you up, happy songs to forget troubles. The projection of the emotion cuts through most cynicism if you already love the genre. Rock=rebellion, Metal= expression, Punk=angst, ect... Some genres try to share the same feeling. When I see rap as a genre, I equated to bands like Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Stone Temple Pilots. Angst-ridden greezy smut that only fuels disdain in me, because of the hollow philosophy of nihilism that's baked in. It may not be the best, or even a good comparison, but I don't under
@PottedPlant, stand rap to well, I didn't grow up with it, like how I didn't grow up with grunge. So I try looking at the two as the same coin but for the two races.
As for the tldr, I'm blaming the target not the gun. Rap isn't the vehicle of change, the gun, it shows a vail over the world. A tent of hue that builds a mural, the Mosaic of someone's childhood. The man may have motive, but what made him choose his target.
To throw it as far as an extreme as possible, it's like if Nazis came out with anti jew songs and kept acting surprised when news was randomly murdered. Rap is the streets, it hates the situation of circumstance.
@IndianShark, shutter the parties, get back to fundamental differences. Then let the party's shift into their own beast, what would the dems do if all of their disaffected voters just switch to, I dont know, green or the libertarian tickets.
@SteveTheAlpaca, well that depends on what you think a slave is. A forced laborer that makes basically nothing and is disposable to its master. Or a person that has no choices, stuck in a constrainted system that is built with a specific understanding that it'll keep you down. They both are slaves. The dems pressed higher taxes on corporations, making it unfeasible to keep office here in the states, so they moved to China, the place that has no quorum with making their people work at slave wages. The dems I have no problem with open borders, a policy in which would allow cheap and easily disposable workers to flow in the country. The dems also made welfare under the explicit nature that I was going to hurt the black community, "I'll have those n.... voting for us for the next hundred years."-a dem prez, I forget his name.
I'm not trying to play games when I say there is really literally to much to go over. My knowledge is correlated over four years of research...
@SteveTheAlpaca, if you need any convincing look up the repeal of prop 209 in California. Read the bill. It's not long.
@That one lurker, my father grew up in Brooklyn in the 70s and he’s italian he never had a father and had a dangerous home life did he become a gangster... nope he never commited a crime worked his ass off and made a great life for himself and his family so I don’t believe in those bullshït excuses that society was against me
@KingofFunnypics, if the Dems would stop giving indefinite handouts and force people to go to work instead of play Xbox all day, maybe the poor (which sadly is primarily minorities) would actually do something to better themselves. It's the give a man a fish / teach a man to fish issue.
You want government assistance, cool. Your picking up trash or painting buildings for a few hours a day. And you're taking a money management and budgeting class, too.
@bobbylupo, but you see. Regardless of the current day adversity you father may have had. He was still white. That means he binafits from a system that caters to his inherent superiority.
@IndianShark, when you say “one side is blatantly racist” which side do you mean?
And answer to your question is to ALWAYS vote for a third party.
@Dr TalleyWacker, Eminem definitely. Good call on NF. He isn't well known, but his stuff is awesome. And to do it without a single curse is even more impressive.
@That one lurker, I love you
@orion55, no homo?...
@That one lurker, ayyy a good argument!!! You can lurk near me anyday!
@Selrahc666, well I already was... was you not paying attention while I was talking to you?
@That one lurker, oh..oh god i cant take it lurker. You make sound arguments, crushing opposition with reason and evidence and never stooping low enough to hinder your integrity....im in love.
@Selrahc666, ah fffaaa, but orion55 already declard love for me. How am I ever to choose?
@That one lurker, i saw 😥. Well we just have to see 👀 about orion55..now wont we.
@orion55, STEP OFF MY MAN B!TCH
@That one lurker, holy hell 108 upvotes? Feels like these days that's rare
@Soggy Potato, some men have good looks, some massive dong. I got 108 upvotes on a political shït post on funny pics.
Not saying they're equal.
Just saying they could do better.
*dabbing lenny face here*
@big freedom, all it will take for the stigma of “no third party candidate ever wins” to be broken is for the first time, and all that takes is enough people.
Though truth be told, I’d vote for a turnip over the two main candidates.
@That one lurker, not when you’re italian in an area full of mobsters and every cop assumes you’re a criminal it might be hard for some ppl to believe but black aren’t the only ppl that have been oppressed and this might be harder to believe but every single race religion gender etc has been oppressed but according to some black ppl they’re the only ones that have suffered and it’s just not true but we live in a time where for some reason I can’t say these things but fück it until they revoke the 1st amendment I’ll say what I want
@spelcheck , isn't Raz Simone the guy in charge of the CHAZ? Not sure he is a good voice to listen to.
@Doctor Yak, Do you even know what you're talking about?
@spelcheck , no, that's why I was asking. The only Raz musician I've heard of is the one that is involved with the CHAZ.
edit: upon a quick Google search, it is the same guy, so yeah, not a good voice to listen to.
@Doctor Yak, why would his involvement in that make his music not good to listen to?
@spelcheck , I mean, if he thinks that is a good idea, it stands to reason that his music would promote things in line with that mindset.
@Doctor Yak, rap has been about the same thing for 30 years... fvck the police
@spelcheck , maybe that's part of the problem though.
@Doctor Yak, how?
@spelcheck , you don't think that promotes rebellious behavior and a disdain for authority?
@Doctor Yak, do you live in america?
@spelcheck , yeah, and I think the cops are generally good. At least, all of my experiences with them have been generally positive, even when I've gotten in trouble. They're mostly just doing their job, and they're willing to put their lives on the line to help average people, so I have a lot of respect for them. Granted, I've lived in small towns most of my life, so I haven't really had to deal with the corruption and violence that seems to plague large cities. But still, they're mostly good people from my experience, so to just say fvck them all is kind of absurd in my book.
@Doctor Yak, yeah I've had nothing but good experiences too haha so what if your small town cops are nice to you... do you not see what's going on? Do you really believe that cops are mostly good and that we dont need reform? That it's okay that an overwhelming amount of government employees are showing their true colors and blatantly abusing their power with no repercussion?
@spelcheck , the majority of cops are good. Of course I'd like to see reform, but that has more to do with our laws than our police. I'd like to see fewer victimless crimes and such. But I think the police provide a necessary service, and treating them like shjt is not going to fix anything.
@Doctor Yak, reform has to do with police policy not law. Down to recruitment and training. This mindset is what keeps this all going. What's your ethnicity?
@spelcheck , I just don't see why we should punish the majority for the behavior of the minority. I think we'd see better results if we just decriminalized a lot of things that don't need to be crimes. Most police are good people and get just as upset as everyone else when bad things happen. I think the only police policy that really needs reform is the protection that some departments give their corrupt officers when they do something bad, but that is not a problem at every department. And what does my ethnicity have to do with anything?
@Doctor Yak, so you have the "bad apple" approach. A few bad apples doesnt ruin the bunch, but if your tree keeps giving you bad apples.... maybe it's time to plant a new tree. Bc if you're white in your little small town all buddy buddy with cops then you're more close minded than I thought.
@spelcheck , I don't have any approach other than treating each individual as an individual, without prejudices and assumptions. That goes for police just as much as everyone else. I don't see how that makes me closed-minded.
And here... we... GO
@orion55, rip, Heath
Wait for it...
Isengard will rise again! Orc lives matter
I wish I could copy this and paste it everywhere
People in this thread acting like democrats are the ones that targeted black communities, which is hilarious the GOP has been doing that since the 1960s, when we have literal audio of Nixon saying they couldn’t arrest people for being black or against war, so they associated those populations with drugs like Weed and Heroin, destroyed employment in those neighborhoods and then policed the shyt out of them so they could destroy those communities. “There are no good role models for young black kids” yeah guess who arrested these kids fathers for a gram of weed and put them in jail for their entire childhood. Cops acting out republican passed laws that disproportionate target minorities, and judges who sentence minorities harsher than white counterparts for the same crime. Then Reagan took it to a new level. But no, in yalls eyes it’s the people trying to lift up those communities with education and family planning that are the “real” racists, smdh
@Spetsnaz , if the Dems were actually trying to lift up the black communities, there wouldn’t be so many problem blue cities like Chicago, Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, etc.
There are SO many black communities that have been under democrat rule for generations that have their problems persist.
Republicans have a lot to answer for when it comes to racially based legislation. But the democrats are no better.
@I Are Lebo, well first of all the democrats are better, they don’t create racially biased legislation to anywhere the same extent, secondly is your case that because they cant magically fix issues that have persisted for 200 years immediately, they’re a just as bad as the people that inflame those issues? Third, the rate of poverty in those cities higher than suburbs, but much lower than the republicans controlled rural areas many minorities fled from to those cities. Ask people in NY, Chicago, or LA if they would move to Mississippi, and they will tell you to screw off, not just because of the fear of prejudice, but because they’re better off in those cities than they would be in republican country by far. It’s a bad vs more bad situation, when compared, people will choose the lesser of the two evils.
@Spetsnaz , that’s why small Republican towns are the best. We don’t give a crap about your skin color. We just want to make sure you’re not a piece of walking trash. ...................................................Edit: Dozenal (my downvote) has yet to visit a few small Republican towns. It’s worth a try. In Kansas, we have the most diverse group of liberals, blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc. We talk politics and we hang out and drink at nights. So good to share ideas and embrace each other in the long run.
@Spetsnaz , ay someone who may or may not understand how things work...you should do some more reading and less viewing. Or observing what you think you see. That implies more about your character than anything else. Its fitting that this is how you view the Democratic party, as nobel saviours to the minority. Its almost as if you think these people needed to helped by a system that only wanted them for their vote. Thus allowing this behavior to go unchecked and even encouraged to the point that what was supposed to assist minorities in need drastically hindered their ability to support themselves as individuals, throwing minorities into their own "camps" so they can be with their own ilk and not integrate into the great country of America. The goal was not to make minorities independent on their values and beliefs, like every American has the right to do. Instead it was to create a new "slave" that can be countrolled to vote in favor of their new "master".
@Selrahc666, right and I’m just imagining republicans being okay with white nationalist and supporting a president who has time and time again sided with racists and nazis, “good people on both sides” when referring to an Nazi rally and counter protestors. But it’s those damn democrats and their attempt to fund community colleges that are the real evildoers. Dude I don’t watch cable news, this is stuff that’s incredibly apparent if you have actually lived in cities and the country. You’re on some next level projection holy fvck
@Spetsnaz , yeah sure man. Loads of aggression from your end, somewhat difficult to take you seriously. Who watches cable news anymore anyways for real? Agian i didnt combat you i just made an attempt to let you know you should do more research. I wont rope into a camp you dont align with. From what you've said to me and others, your a waste of time. You dont know anything about Nazis obviously, or anything thats going on in our past and current political climate. I assure you, you will be met with hostility from others because of your rhetoric. Change your tone or change your mind. Figure something out about your own character and the level of respect you deserve from people you treat poorly. Ive learned that from this community, can you?
@Spetsnaz , I don’t think that’s a fair argument.
On the one hand, there’s the Democrats, who through many different programs have enacted tons of legislature specifically designed to keep the black communities dependent on them, thus weakening them culturally, which has profoundly negative effects, all for the sake of securing political power.
On the other hand, the Republicans are so obsessed with freedom that they’ll tolerate bigots and supremacists and other nasty sorts to be free to use underhanded methods of securing political power, and once such unsavoury folk gain that power, they’re free to enact their religious, tyrannical, or just plain sadistic desires out on whoever they choose.
One side is vulnerable to bigots, but the other side is enabling them. Whose to say which is worse, but both are terrible. But the institutional racism comes from the democrats more than the republicans, from what I can see. Subjugation is worse than abuse.
@Selrahc666, you weren’t combative? You compared a political party to slave owners, then clutched your pearls when I pointed out the connection between the GOP and white supremacists. You know, actual Nazis. And as a fact I do know quite a bit about Fascism, and probably more than you about the past and present politics. So no I’m not going to change my rhetoric or opinion to fit in with this increasingly radicalized community, which I’ve been a part of since 2008 lol. And as for research, I actually provide statistics in my comments, like the fact that blue states overwhelmingly have lower poverty rates than red states, and take less money from the federal government for social programs too. All things the GOP accuses others of, Do some research on that. Don’t get me wrong I love living in rural places for the benefits it offers, but i sure as hell wouldn’t live those same places I had if I was a minority. I don’t particularly care if it upsets y’all, you need to hear it anyway.
@Spetsnaz , I think your opinion is your opinion to have. Albeit not what i believe to be true. You think mine is wrong. We will leave it at that. Thats about all i can ask of at this point. I do this all day, i argue with random asshats on the internet. Im getting tired of doing it because in 2020 theres no nuance anymore. Everything has to be black or white. 50/50. You cant share ideas anymore and your wrong for thinking you can. Lets agree to disagree. Im a patriot, i think you may be too so we can share commonalities not differences. Have a good day Spetznaz.
@Selrahc666, well the president had just retweeted a man with his campaign signs yelling white power, if you have any more doubts about what I said about him.
@Spetsnaz , “for generations”. It’s not about the Dems not magically fixing problems in a few years. It’s about Dems getting elected on promises they have no intention of fulfilling and leaving black communities in squalor for 50+ years all the while telling black people they need the Dems for their lives to improve.
The democrats have made a platform off of depriving black people the means to be self sufficient.
@Spetsnaz , I very much do. He is Donald J. Trump not just the President. Now that hes the president people think hes racist because they have an agenda or aren't very smart. It takes one brain cell to see whether someone is racist or not. I remember 10 years ago when no one would have said a thing because he was The celebrity Apprentice guy. I used to watch the show, you think white people were the only ones to win that show or gain his favor? Like really think about what racism means. And then come back with actual evidence and not speculative evidence. I've got several videos proving how he is not racist. But thats not how this works, he is innocent of being racist until there is undeniable evidence that he is guilty of being a racist. You have not proven him guilty so he is innocent. Thats how thus great country works Spetznaz. Unless you prefer guilty until proven innocent. You know like the USSR. Your name is fitting then if this is what you believe.
@Spetsnaz , you claim you have a diverse group of liberals in your rural area in Kansas. Well i live in the 4th largest city in The U.S. Houston. Which is a democrat run city but not really cause here in Houston we don't care. Google how divided Houston is politicly and we get things done because we embrace our similarities. Not our differences. You would rather divide us. So much for The small town Kansas libertarian you claim to be. Smh.
@I Are Lebo, right, trying to aid their communities is depriving them of the ability to be self sufficient, but intentionally persecuting, dividing and imprisoning members of their community is really teaching minorities to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” y’all are so deluded it’s funny. Reagan and Bush intensified the drug war because it benefitted their friends who owned private prisons and the police and prison guard unions who it increased funding and power for.
@Selrahc666, no he’s been racist pretty much since day 1, his father was a clansmen, he accused the Central Park 5 without evidence and said they still did it after they were exonerated. I can find videos of jeffry Epstein not fvcking kids, doesn’t make him any less of a pedo lol, what even is that logic. Also it’s not hearsay, he retweeted a Video of people saying white power, and the tweet was up for 20 hours. Oh and there’s the fact he thought Obama was from Kenya and a Muslim, despite evidence to the contrary, called Muslim countries shythole countries, tried to ban Muslims from entering the US, but not the one country that most 9/11 hijackers came from, because they gave him campaign contributions. There’s literally mountains of evidence of him being a racist,
sexist adulterer, (grab em by the...) but y’all just pretend it’s all lies because you’re too afraid to admit you bought into a two bit con man who is the symbol of all your insecurities, and the sunk cost is too high now.
@Selrahc666, any kind of criticism? Just compare it to the USSR and Stalin, just because anything to the left of your radical right position scares you. Two more things, I don’t currently live in Kansas, I have lived there, the Carolinas, NYC, Russia (hence username) and Turkey for a little bit. The worst places were always republican run. Bad infrastructure, bad schools, and intolerant people were more prevalent. Ive lived in homogenous and diverse places, liberal and conservative, authoritarian and democratic, all have benefits and detriments, and they helped me grasp how unique my home is. I also think it’s hilarious that you live in a liberal city and talk all this crap about them. Your city council and mayor are democratically run, it’s probably why the schools there aren’t trash, you’re roads are contextually good for the south, and people actually want to live there. Go live in religious conservative nowhere’s, Cause I have lived there, and I know where I’d rather be.
@Spetsnaz , you think I don't like democrat policies because they come from Democrats? Eh your just as bad man. If there's a policy or reform I can get on board with I don't care who's pushing it. Blue or Red. Granted pointing the finger somewhere other than yourself is all to common. I get that but based on what you said i can prove anyone is a racist. I proved my point i like policy and if a white supremacist agrees with me on policy that's good. I dont have to agree with his opinions on white supremacy You think that's bad? You're more divided than I thought and your so "cultured" you make me sick. You really do. I dont like the BLM movement but i like some people who support it because they are my friends and we share similar views. Your logic dictates guilt by association and we don't do that in a 1st world civilized country. Maybe your backwater opinions should stay away from the great U.S.A.
@Spetsnaz , the very fact that you assume I’m a Republican for arguing about the dishonest tactics of the Democrats should show to you how simplistic your thinking is. I’m not a Republican. The Republican part is guilty of jerrymandering among other tactics intended to disenfranchise their opponents.
But your argument is a strawman. The democrats aren’t trying to help, they’re trying to win, and they win by promising to help and never delivering. They’re also responsible for Planned Parenthood campaigns explicitly aimed at aborting as many black babies as possible, while democrat lawmakers are responsible for tons of legislation involving mandatory minimum sentencing responsible for so many absentee black fathers. In addition, it is Democrat social programs that keep black woman tied to government handouts while their children get involved in crime due to underpoliced blue cities that do nothing to check the spread of gangs. These same cities also have an absence of after school
programs, which is astonishing given the sheer amount of Democrat fundraising constantly promising to address this issue.
The Democrats are corrupt to the core and are completely unprincipled. They are the party of virtue signalling and unfulfilled promises.
But like they're still killing people tho🤔
Delusional. Sure man good luck with Joe Biden