I would support this method of home defense.
@Vance Stubbs, Imagine if the US government removed all gun controls except for stating that only weapons available when the constitution was written were legal......
@Nellybert , Glorious 'merica
@Nellybert , I think that's a great idea, there weren't machine guns that could mow down crowds in seconds back then when they created it.
@K1lgore, well i dont think people using guns for home defense mow down crowds either
@K1lgore, The Puckle gun (also known as the Defence gun) was a primitive crew-served, manually-operated flintlock revolver patented in 1718 by James Puckle (1667–1724) a British inventor, lawyer and writer. It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a "machine gun", being called such in a 1722 shipping manifest, though its operation does not match the modern use of the term. There are other guns like this and better that although aren't as rapid as modern day machine guns still do a lot of damage and a high pace
@K1lgore, except the 2nd ammendment wasn't written in regards to home defense. It was written so the people could fight off an army. In particular the US Governments army. So the weapons it is talking about is the same weapons the US military uses. Hence the shall not be infringed.
@Yuskue Urameshi, It existed yes, but it was not as easy to access as it is now. Nowadays pretty much anybody can get their hands on weapons like that. Plus anyway the reason guns were allowed because America at the time did not have the worlds most funded military, meaning citizens did the job, and people needed those guns to hunt for food, neither of those are an issue anymore.
@Vance Stubbs, it's too bad your home would be destroyed in the process. Lol
@PandaPoots, Not everyone uses their gun for home protection though. One man may use it for protection, another man may use it to mass murder. We can never know who it is until it's too late.
@PandaPoots, But imagine this - man breaks in to your house, he's sneaking through your dining room when the lights all come on. He blinks to adjust to the light and the first thing he sees is you, decked out with a brace of pistols and levelling a 3/4 inch bore musket at his chest. The last thing he'll feel before his rib cage is exploded by the ball is his bowels emptying in to his pants.
@that crazy Marine, but a tank is a weapon, so is a drone and a jet. Are you saying that we should have access to buy these? I am okay with the 2nd amendment, however it is out dated for it's original purpose and needs to be updated
@Vance Stubbs, tally ho lads!
@Killing instincts , So the people being able to defend themselves from their government is outdated? Back then the average citizen didn't own battleships or cannons. The point is if by some chance the government turns on the people then the people can put up a fight. I'm assuming if you can afford a M1A1 Abrams, Predator UAV, AH-1Z Venom, or a F-15 Eagle you're probably not in the state of mind of mass killing. If you are they are easier to track than say a explosive pressure cooker. Not to mention there is a proven countermeasures for each. One man with a tank is easier to counter than one man who knows how to build IEDs.
@K1lgore, Well then it's a good thing the machine guns that can mow down crowds in seconds are already prohibited based on the National firearms act (1934) and the Hughes ammendment (1986). Unless of course you are referring to what many people laughably call "assault weapons" which are nothing more than sporting rifles in scarry looking stocks.
@Nellybert , aw man, that would be cool but i really dont want to have to clean up dead guy poop. Would like crime scene people clean it up for me?
@PandaPoots, shouldn't be a problem as it'll mostly be contained in his clothes. Unlike his lungs, which you'll be picking chunks of off the walls.
@that crazy Marine, exactly.
@K1lgore, you are either clueless about the second amendment or a liberal shill... but I repeat myself.
It is designed for Americans to be able to overthrow a tyrannical government, not self defense or hunting.
The American government has always had bigger/better guns than the citizens, but they don't have 400M people willing to defend themselves. Or I should say 150M people... all the scholarly liberals will be able to sue the government into submission I suppose.
@that crazy Marine, thank you...i often hear "an ar-15 isnt a home defense weapon"....and i reply...no it is not...it is a militia weapon to defend against an attack on american soil. Be it foreign or domestic.
@MMSieBreeze, I agree, it makes a decent home defense weapon though (if you really need a carbine for that, shotguns work better in my opinion) the round is so light that with certain types of ammo it loses a lot of energy hitting drywall and reduces the chance of collateral damage.
@Killing instincts , I absolutely think that citizens should have access to buy tanks, drones, and jets. They have to be able to afford them, at the same price the US military puts on the budget.
@Vance Stubbs, You ever look back over how the comments below one of yours went and think "I've created a monster?"
@Nellybert , Frequently.
@Vance Stubbs, I apologise for my part in it - I may have been the Igor to your Frankenstein here.
@Nellybert , No problem, it was an honest mistake.
@K1lgore, did you know that more people are killed with blunt objects then rifles or shotguns in the US?
If you want your argument to be intellectually consistent you should want to ban handguns. They kill far more people in the US a year then "assault weapons" which are rarely used in any form of crime.
@K1lgore, youre right we never which person will go on a killing spree, so we should just genocide every living thing on earth.
@Killing instincts , we do have access as a people they're just expensive as hell for a tank and legally yes you can drive a tank as long as it meets your state minimal saftey codes
I am now going to buy a bowling ball cannon and triangular bayonet at the next gun show.
@that crazy Marine, Somehow I find that idea more terrifying than the fact you could also buy a bag load of assault rifles while you were there.
@Nellybert , not without a very difficult to obtain permit and a background check.
@Doctor Krieger, I suspect that this conversation could easily get bogged down in the question 'what is an assault rifle?' so I'll rephrase:
"I find that idea more terrifying than the fact that you could buy a bag load of AR-15s while you were there."
And please note - I'm not expressing an opinion on the AR-15, whether or not it is an assault rifle, or gun laws in general.
@Nellybert , still. You can't buy a bag load of them. Unless only one fits in a bag. Without going on a list to be watched. And any firearm purchase requires a background check. Even at wal mart.
@Tyrellious, Ah, okay. We hear a lot in the media about how easy it is to buy guns in America and how gun shows let people bypass checks (I know that I'm probably getting the Liberal view through the media, sounds like my bias-adjustment needs ramping up though). And, if I'm honest, I was picturing Rick's big bag o' guns from season 1 of The Walking Dead anyway. :p
@Tyrellious, well, I'm already on several watch lists, so why not one more?
@that crazy Marine, fun fact. Triangular blades a prohibited by the Geneva convention. Because the wounds were almost impossible for a field surgeon to patch.
@naMsdrowkcaB, Fun fact - expanding bullets (hollow-points) are banned in war for essentially the same reason, but are legal in America for civilian and police use.
@Nellybert , not even Law Enforcement can use jacketed hollow points, only Full Metal Jacket
@Osama bin Dead, I'm not sure you're right - I've Googled it and every source seems to agree that the US police (and military personnel based in the US) use hollow points. Even the UK issues them to armed police officers.
@Nellybert , you may be correct, I have just never heard of LEO using them because of jacketed hollow point's ineffectiveness against someone wearing heavy denim or multiple layers of clothing. The fibers in the clothing will clump up the hollow point, dramatically reducing it's velocity, decreasing effectiveness if the round even makes it through all the layers of clothing. Just my two cents
@Nellybert , police can't use jacketed hollow point, but I'm not sure about SWAT teams as I believe they fall under different jurisdiction as a PPU.
@PB2, I genuinely don't know - Google says they do (unless there are different types of hollow-point?) but I have no first-hand knowledge to draw on.
@Nellybert , Police can use jacketed hollow point, however the standard round issued is regular FMJ.
@Nellybert , we don't use hollow points. Ball ammo for pistol and green tip M855 for service rifle. Hollow points and penetration don't go together when you start throwing in armor, vehicles, and cover. I've never seen a hollow point round used and I'm trained in almost every small arm and crew served weapon system in the Marine Corps. Maybe special forces use them. They are against the Hague's Convention in the current interpretation.
@Nellybert , I can tell you don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject of guns (not a shot at you, it's just apparent based on what you've said)
Hollow points are used by police departments in the US and are recommended for self defence. They do cause more damage to soft tissue and expand much faster than FMJs. But the real purpose of a hollow point in a self defense situation is avoiding collateral damage. When a hollow point strikes tissue it expands and dumps all its energy (good hollow points should penetrate 14"-16" of FBI ballistic gel to be considered effective). An FMJ will over penetrate, go through walls, houses, cars, other people, etc. It's far safer to use hollow points in situations that aren't "wartime"
The military cannot use hollow points and they are ineffective at penetrating anything so they shouldn't (body armor being a concern in combat)
@Nellybert , also you can't buy a gun without a background check, even at a gun show. It's a very serious felony if it happens and it comes with a ton of prison time attached to it.
@Nellybert , the media lies.
Also, the "gun show loophole" hysteria is a crock of shįt.
"Assault rifle"... Sorry this just irks me so so SO much. Literally anything can be inflammatorily labeled as such - "Assault crowbar", "Assault knife", "Assault marshmallow". Under most U.S. states' laws, a person can be charged with simple assault if they so much as say something in the presence of another person who feels threatened by those words.
@RustyFapwagon, No offence taken, I'm happy to admit that I know very little on the subject - I'm British, we basically don't have guns in civilian life, so not been a subject I've had first-hand experience of.
@Doctor Krieger, I generally apply a liberal-bias assumption to most media coverage on gun laws, sounds like I need to crank it up a couple of notches though.
@Nellybert , that's ok. But I'll tell you the same thing I tell the other Americans that don't know anything about guns:
Your opinion is one developed through misinformation and fear of the unknown. I carry a gun everyday. I'm not a cop, I'm not a soldier, I'm just a guy. It's just another thing I grab before I leave my house everyday. I carry to protect everyone around me and I train regularly to do that effectively. That's what most Americans do. We have literally millions of legal guns in this country. A very very tiny amount of those are used in any form of crime. Just because your country decided it didn't want the ability to defend itself from its government and other ill-willed individuals doesn't mean mine should. Learn about firearms. Learn how to use them, how they function, why they're carried, what types fit in to what roles, and you'll learn a lot about what this actually is. Or you can keep blaming the object like churches in the 90s blamed video games and rock music.
@RustyFapwagon, Okay, just to clarify - the opinion I was expressing here was "the juxtaposition of modern gun usage with Revolutionary weapons is a funny image".
If you'd like to know my position on gun laws in the US, here it is: "I don't get it and it's got nothing to do with me. F**k it".
@Nellybert , seemed like you were bashing on it before. We're pretty sensitive about these freedoms now. The last election could have taken them away.
@RustyFapwagon, Sorry, I try to leave the politics at the door here. The focus of my comment was meant to be the image of a guy walking in to a shop and coming out with a cannon as a comedic one.
You ever see the film Tremors? It reminded me of a conversation between the main character and Bert (the survivalist guy):
"What do you use it for?"
If I say anything like "I don't get it" when talking about you Yanks and your guns, it's an admission of ignorance rather than a criticism of you. I know it's an incredibly complex situation and it can't be generalised (what may apply in uptown Manhattan will be totally irrelevant on a ranch in Colorado, for example) so I generally try to avoid taking a side on it (my opinion changes fairly regularly anyway). And, as I'm not American and have never lived in America, I don't believe that I have the right to judge you on it. (Although I retain the right to be personally critical of people as individuals)
@Nellybert , ahh. No even gun shows require checks. Ammunition, no. Guns, yes.
@SCBeauty, I know this is kinda late but assault rifle is a real term just used wrong.
An assault rifle is a select fire rife firing an intermediate cartridge (5.56, 762x39 ect.)
A battle rifle is a military service rifle that fires a full-power rifle cartridge (7.62x51, .30-06 ect)
A submachine gun is a select fire weapon that fires a pistol cartridge.
Real designations for military weapons used wrong, though we do have assault bags in the Marines which are just day backpacks so there's that. Though they do attach to the rucksack and are used for short assault missions lol. And now you know, cause it's Mike's super short show.
Get a 44. Magnum, for when a criminal is behind the fridge.
In your neighbors house.
@CoJo12, I have a mosin for when he is hiding behind a babushka in the neighboring country (which has an oppressed Russian minority)
@Tyrellious, except when you fire the mosin it actually lands in the country next to the one you were aiming at and kills some poor incent babushka.
No, no, no... .50 Desert Eagle. :)
@CoJo12, But a fridge is the ultimate defence - haven't you seen Eraser? It saves them from an x-ray railgun!
@Kliment Voroshilov, acceptable losses for the fatherland
Then you tally the hoes you get from that act of badassery
So all four ruffians just stood there like a bunch of jackasses the whole time?
But the Puckle gun was invented before some of our founding fathers were born. So no.
America! Fvck Yeah! Here to save the motherfvckung day.
@BigJohnson86, They will learn of our peaceful ways, by force!
Powered wig? Man, I gotta get me one of those.
@fvnkykong, i have a sweet one. It get 50 miles to the gallon. Sometimes kick starting it is a bitch tho
So... I read this in a Texas ranchers voice set in the 1880's.