*excessive* taxation, as taxation in general is very necessary for a government to function
@TheKen42, no, all taxation is theft.
Taxation is always compulsory, carried out by the initiation of force or the threat thereof, and it is involuntary, happening even without the consent of an individual.
@TheKen42, *government is unnecessary*
@Doctor Krieger, Taxes are used for public roads, schools, the justice sytem, etc... So no, taxation is not theft, but the price of being a citizen with access to these amenities.
@Fishboy495, I would disagree with this statement. Absence of a government would mean an absence of law and order. This would cause a power vacuum, which would most likely be filled by unsavory folk, such as gangs, the mafia, and the like.
@Doctor Krieger, look man, if you want to make your stateless ancap utopia, then go ahead and do it. Go out into the wilderness and make a commune of independent marketers, free from the trappings of the state.
If you’re not going to do that, then accept that in order for a state to function, it needs to tax its citizens. Taxation is the price you pay for living in a structured society with maintenanced infrastructure, law enforcement, and a military to protect you.
It’s a necessary evil, because we cannot expect every soldier and government worker to also be a businessman on the side of their regular duties, because that kinda ruins the whole point of division of labor. It is exactly the same as the communists asking everyone to be a part-time farmer or factory laborer; half-@ssing two things is less effective than whole-@ssing one thing.
@TheKen42, you guys can’t understand a joke I guess
@Fishboy495, Jokes can be hard to get when subtle cues are lost via written word
The libertarian in me is proud
@ILoveKnawedge, well hopefully he's wearing a condom.
@daily joke, it's almost 5 in the morning and I'm trying not to wake everybody up from me laughing. Damn that was good
@daily joke, #bestcomments
Taxation is theft until the government can't afford to pay for road upkeep, educational facilities, nation health service (to select cointries) and your financial aid (again, select few).
@Sambob, I don’t think you said what you meant to say
Taxation for things that you do not benefit from is theft.
@Blargetha, because all government services must benefit you, personally. Of course. /s
@Depressed Panda, I don’t have a problem with the unemployed but I don’t have a problem with my money being taken from me without my say to be given to them.
@Blargetha, your say is your vote.
@Depressed Panda, and my vote is that it is theft
@Blargetha, My opinion is this: By not electing people who want to eliminate welfare, we collectively consent to taxation with the knowledge that we will benefit from it, through national protection, public infrastructure, protection from predatory business practices, law enforcement, and yes, welfare. As such, I don't oppose taxation.
@Depressed Panda, the people who benefit from it are the people on it, who are also not paying into it. It’s not the governments job to take care of people. That’s why there are charities, people should be able to donate money to where they want not have it taken from them to go where the government thinks it should.
1 o'clock and all is well
This feels like the perfect time to state my tax platform.
1. Eliminate almost all Federal and state taxes, fees, etc.
2. Have all Federal taxes collected from the oil refineries and all state taxes collected at the pump. County and City taxes may still need other sales or property taxes but it would be nice if there was a single place to collect taxes.
3. Reevaluate the need for other revenue generating activities.
4. Eliminate government subsidies to any privately held business.
What this will do and possible side effects.
It would eliminate almost the entire IRS. You will only need enough people to verify production at the refineries.
You would no longer have to regulate the Auto industry as people will be clamoring for more fuel efficient cars.
People may decide to walk or ride their bike the mile to the grocery store instead of drive-thus increasing activity and helping with the obesity epidemic.
@Azyoulikeit, I would also recommend that revenue from speeding tickets be applied to the road on which the offense was committed.
The goal as I see it, is to make the tax system reward good behavior. The more off the grid you live, the less your impact on the environment, the healthier your decisions, the less you pay in taxes.
You would still be paying taxes through your regular purchases. It's essentially impossible to tax a business because they just pass along the cost to their customers. The same will happen with this. You'll now get your entire paycheck but your box of cereal will go up sightly as does everything else.
This will lead companies to look for ways to cut costs for transporting goods to maintain a competitive advantage. Further leading to more and more efficient systems of transport.
Also, alternative energy options would be continue to be researched because prices are no longer artificially being held down. We'd be seeing the true costs related to how we live.
So here is my big idea. The best way to get government under control (assuming it can still be done) is to end paycheck withholding. Right now if you make $10 per hours and work 40hrs you don’t get a check for $400. It’s less and sometimes much less. Stop that, give people their entire check and have them pay their taxes like all their other bills. I think you would see a huge shift in how much government people would be willing to tolerate. This would also help level the playing field for businesses.
No it's not. It sucks, but no it's not.
I heard this film takes place in California.
@Sir Borksalot , as a former Californian, the governor banned it so no one would get any ideas