Yep this is just the tip of the iceberg. All those jobs that were going to slowly be replaced with automation? Now businesses have an excuse to automate them quicker. Most of these jobs will be what the majority of Americans work, which is minimum wage jobs. They will say it's for the safety of the customers but ultimately automation saves money and doesn't stop production. Things were already escalating quicker than we thought, but now it's even faster. We need to think of an existence where we are more than what we do for a job and be there for fellow humans when this change leaves us behind.
@Desiderata, All the more reason to support universal income. We ARE more than just the jobs we do but companies simply cannot afford to consider us in such a way (thus cutting costs in any way they can) universal income would solve both problems by encouraging businesses to replace most simple jobs with automation WITHOUT harming the people who relied on them to live. People would also have more freedom to try for higher education and the arts which would result in a richer culture in the future. Additionally, the money that would be distributed would improve the economy (look up Keynesian economics if you are interested) we have historical proof that it works because it was how FDR saved America from the Great Depression. Probably gonna get a lot of hate for this comment and I AM sorry for getting political here, but the current era is exposing all of the problems with our current system and then punishing us for them so I think now is as good a time as any for some changes.
@Lord Wivern, sorry for the long post and thank you for reading!
@Desiderata, Go watch Richard Hammond's BIG episode about the volkswagon factory, lots of robots, but also many employees. Humans are still a vital part of the factory despite the automation.
@Lord Wivern, exactly what I was getting at. UBI isn't an "if" but a "when". It's going to happen. It's sad it took a pandemic to get people to see why it's necessary.
@Lord Wivern, Rutger Bregman has an excellent Ted talk about how to solve poverty using a negative income tax that tops off at the poverty line
@Lord Wivern, and who will pay for universal income?
@Lord Wivern, I respect this but I disagree. People need purpose in life. Taking away an incentive to find jobs and families will result in creating an official underclass. If you give everyone 1000 a month why would 4 people not just get a house to rent and a car together and never contribute to society? They would only ever have the bare minimum and no reason to achieve in life. What makes America great to me is the freedom to succeed or fail on your own merits. Instead this would make property owners wealthy beyond measure since they will create a market for the average person who is lazy and all that govt money ends up with them. The division between rich and poor would skyrocket as the poor would never have a reason to be more than they currently are and that saddens me
@BigJohnson86, Believe it or not, I actually agree with you on most of the points that you just presented. Most.
I disagree on one point in particular which is the idea that humans are naturally lazy and won't bother to do anything if they are not forced to. Look at the current situation, for example, people all over the world have been given every incentive to stay within their homes and not work (short of actually allowing them to get money without work) and what have they been doing? Well it seems that most people are going a bit nuts being cooped up like that. Humans are naturally ambitious and will often go out of their way to attain power, status, or sex for no reason other than because they want to. I think that there would be some major nationwide CHANGES but they would be just that, a change, and I think that it would be a change for the better. It is NOT amoral to not work.
@Lord Wivern, I consider myself a case study on why people are lazy. I was in the military and now I work while going to college because we went through hard times when I was a teenager where I had to pay rent to my mom to make ends meet. I won’t let that happen to me. If you gave me an out I’d drop out right now and move in with a few buddies and just watch Netflix and play with my dogs all day. I’m not unhappy with the social distancing and staying home all day. I’m unhappy that what I agreed to for work is not what I want. I’d like a better alternative to UBI that centers around small businesses startups. If it’s easier to get a start on your dream I’d support that but I can’t imagine what society would look like in 50 years if we raised an entire generation that has no reason to succeed. I think maybe 10% of people have the real drive to succeed. I think we’d end up with a generation of “artists” that lack the talent to make it in their field.
@Lord Wivern, I absolutely agree. The hallmark of humanity can be boiled down to the amount of wrinkles in our brains and our drive to create and build things. BUT we also have the tendency to follow the path of least resistance and for a lot of us, our entry into the workforce is simply a means to an end-not for the pure love of contribution. Expecting a handful of highly motivated people to keep society afloat is a dangerous game...
@Lord Wivern, while agree that UBI would be neat, I don't agree that capitalism is inherently flawed and needs to be changed. Its obviously not perfect but there's a lot of innovations that come out of capitalism through competition and demand. Also putting people's income in the hands of the government is a very easy way to end up like China. UBI could also make people complacent and not want to work at all. Thats partly why communism doesn't work. Why would you be a doctor making the same amount of money as a factory worker. It's not satisfying, and humans, mentally need a purpose.
@Desiderata, I’m waiting for the day where money stops having any value and we divulge back into a barter system.
@MetalACE, you pay for it using a VAT (value added tax) that targets luxury items. So let's the latest iPhone/Android comes out. You simply add a 10% VAT on things like that. Along with a VAT, and building a foundation using UBI that helps people far better than current social safety nets, government will save money. What it won't do is target necessities, like groceries.
@BigJohnson86, people have a purpose in life. They have hobbies. They have things they wish they could do if they weren't a wage slave. My dad retired after working at Ford's for 32 years and he found plenty to do. He even became a volunteer firefighter. His plans to travel unfortunately went nowhere when cancer decided to strike.
@owanobi, UBI needs capitalism to work.
@Desiderata, I find it funny that one of the things you use to justify not needing a job for purpose was your dad who didn’t need money got a job because he wanted something to do. I think people should pursue their interests but I’d rather see it made easier for people to start their own company with loans than just giving it away
@BigJohnson86, you said people need a purpose in life and, therefore, needs a job to do so. I explained how someone who suddenly had no job after having one for 32 years found hobbies to keep himself occupied once they were no longer a wage slave. Anyone with an ounce of determination can easily find ways to have a purpose that isn't them forced to do something they don't like so they don't starve. When you no longer have a scarcity mindset you'll understand.
In a world with UBI you'll see plenty of people who want to have their own business and will actually have the funds to do so. If you want to continue working, then work. At least now you have the comfort of knowing you can leave a job that doesn't treat you right and find better.
@BigJohnson86, read up on dauphin in Canada or just watch the Ted talk by rudger Bregman. It has been tested a bunch of times and it never seems to cause statistically significant drops in the workforce or time spend working other than with students and young mothers. You can review all the data its public.
And for a lot of people they won't be getting that money for a few weeks or even months
As an essential worker working tons of overtime, this is just extra money on top so it's more of a thank you to me.
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I think itll help alot. Atleast it will help me.
I'm not even mad about it