Damn. Just damn.
@Ealm, truth hurts.
@WhoseLineIsItAnyway, So does getting stoned
How to feel glad i live in the US
@Dephenistrator, unfortunately even with places like Russia and the middle east, most people that are LGBT in the US think they are still oppressed.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, they are though man oppression doesn't just go away because of the law, socially LGBT people continue to face intense discrimination and hatred. Just because another country is worse doesn't change that
@LeafOnTheW1nd, I miss worded that. I meant they don't realize they have it better than other countries and should be happy to an extent
@Mortimer Smith Sr, they are aware but they also want to make things better domestically, since they are directly affected. Often the people protesting about things happening locally are also protesting things abroad as well.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, Being a less racist or less homophobic country doesn't mean it's ok to be oppressed
Only in the Middle East, gotta love Islam.
@Half Black Man, Who disliked this?
@Half Black Man, not all of Islam is like this. Islam extremists are bad, and in many places there still are strict rules. I have both family and friends in the middle east who are Muslims, and they're chill people. Islam is not the problem, it's a beautiful religion, but many people who believe in it in an extreme way are just terrible. That's my point of view at least. I hope that all this discrimination and hating on women and such stops in these regions, so people can see what the Islam truly is about. I'm a Christian by the way and am happy to be one, but like I said Many of my friends and family members are Muslims, and they're just normal people like you and me, even if they follow certain rules and traditions from their religion.
@A pet named Steve, the real question is are the moderates the norm or an exeption? What percent hold these disgusting beliefss and what percent hold secular beliefs. Because if i had to geuss that if its a rule of law in that country then the secular believers are in a minority.
@A pet named Steve, thanks for responding, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm not gonna say all, or even most of Islam is bad or evil, because it's not true. I have a few Muslim friends and family friends, and it really is a beautiful religion. I also studied world religions. Islam at its height, during the time of the Roman Empire, was the intellectual peak of humanity for the time. When they were open and inviting, and understanding. In the 21st century, the core of Islam (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan) has leaders saying the west needs to be irradiated. Rape by muslims is usually a higher statistic, and for every American there is a radical Muslim who wants to kill that American (300 million). And I know that's only a fraction of Islam. I'm just saying, it's all about perspective. A majority of muslims in America and outside of the Middle East are beautifully cultured people.
@TheyCallMeTaterSalad, super bat goku & Captain Kirk Heinrich
@A pet named Steve, and saying the bad muslims aren't representative of their actions in the name of Islam is like saying the kkk isn't representative for its actions in the name of Christianity. And nobody wants to pin "bad" to somebody's religion, so we just say "it's not the religion, it's the people"
@BlazingBowman, 20% of my home city are Turkish, most of them Muslims, and they're all normal. I can confirm that most Bosnian and Serbian Muslims are normal as well, from the cities I've been to at least. When I visited a mosque here in my city I talked to an Imam about the issue, and he was the most heart warming ever. He explained how everything worked and what the different places and rituals in the mosque meant. It's really not a bad religion, but some people make it bad. Same with Christianity: I believe that Christianity is a beautiful religion, but there's people like the KKK who are still fvcking it up.
@A pet named Steve, There are Muslims and people who follow islam. Everyone who follows islam isn't good. But Muslims aren't bad people.
@A pet named Steve, personally i think religions in general are disgusting. But lets get to the point you said about 20% of the muslims in your city are turkish. And their mostly normal. Is your home city a european city or is it a middle eastern city? And further more your persepctive seems rather limited. You cant say that the majority dont have these disgusting beliefs about women and gays. By the way i dont care about how nice individual muslims you know are. Its irrelevant.
@A pet named Steve, Only kkk. We christians say we are the best religion, the most peaceful one, but for 2000 years we did nothing other then hurt and kill people, innocent people. Not to mention that we didn't let science advance as it should. Sure we got better, but theres really a lot of bad things in this religion still in this days. Priests molesting children and the simple fact that this religion its all about money. How many times do they complaint about poverty and I see priests driving in brand new mercedes or bmw and Vaticano itself, with a loooooot of money like really a lot, doesn't really make a big contribution. Why don't they? What do they need the money for? And another example, the Pope is coming to Fatima in Portugal this year (who doesn't know what that is please google it) and people are paying over 1000 euros to sleep in a sleeping mat because all hotels in about 50km radius are full and the prices of the hotels were most expensive then that. No religion is perfect
@A pet named Steve, now this is my opinion and nothing more but personally I feel like the KKK is the sort of Christian extremist similar to Muslim terrorist groups (I am Christian myself but I just wanted to point this out...again just my opinion)
@TroolFace, as a fellow Christian...thank you for pointing out our flaws, while people today aren't killing in the name of Jesus...we are not much better
@A pet named Steve, we are going to see extremists in any religion and in my opinion as long as we live and breathe humans will always find a way to get into conflicts regardless of religion. Religion is just an excuse for many people and if it didn't exist we would still see people finding excuses for violence for any difference they could find. The problem is that people blame religion for violence rather than
the actual people who are committing it
@BlazingBowman, moderates are the norm man it's bending the religion to fit pre-existing cultural norms, just like Christianity created Christmas so that Northern Europeans could continue to celebrate Yule and making wives their husbands property in order to preserve the practice of marriage alliances.
When ISIS rose to prominence Prominant Muslim scholars wrote a mass letter showing that according to Quran ISIS was absolutely acting against gods will.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, really how is what isis doing any different from other muslim countries are doing. Many muslim countries execute and imprison gay people. Many muslim countries punish women for not wearing hijab. Etc. How is death by knife any different from death via stoning? And if moderates are the norm then how come every muslim majority nation has some laws against homosexuality and not wearing hijab? Seems to me if moderates were overwhelming majority they would have equal rights like in the u.s
@BlazingBowman, I'm in Germany. And I said all the people that I have met were normal. I have never met a radical Muslim.
@A pet named Steve, who the fvck is downvoting you?
@A pet named Steve, id be careful if i were you gang rapes by muslim migrants has increased the rape rate there and in sweden by 1000%. Especially those niave enough to trust them blindly. Recently watched a video of a german girl calling the police to tell them sje was raped while her rapist laughed at her. They didnt do anything.
@BlazingBowman, like I said. Normal people. Hell, my aunt is Muslim. Don't generalize people, rapists don't need a religion. If they're sick like that, it doesn't matter if they're Muslim or Christian or Buddhists or Hindus or Jews. That's like saying don't go to church, many priests abuse children. Most of the time you don't even know/think about the people here being Muslims, not even when they wear headscarfs. It's just normal.
@TroolFace, you say that as if everyone else hadnt been doing the same crap back then. Most crusades were in response to muslim invasions of europe. Personally i think religion in general is a cancer to society but some forms of cancer are worse than others.
@A pet named Steve, yeah its just that these economic migrants have caused germany to add a new classification of rape. As gang rape happens so often now. Btw the rape is a part of muslim culture its called taharush or " the rape game" child marraige is now allowed in germany because of the overwhelming amount of migrants coming to germany married to underage girls.
@BlazingBowman, it was not because of Muslim invasions, it was to 'pacify' Muslim countries. That's what they told the people at least, omit really was because they wanted to make war out of other reasons.
@A pet named Steve, if you dont believe me walk into the calais jungle at night by yourself. See if you come back in one piece. Im done here.
@BlazingBowman, um dude. Child marriage is NOT allowed. There is no relevant increase in rape. On that thing you said about the girl, I call bullshjt until proven otherwise. Police would have interfered. Honestly there is more hate towards Muslims than there's Muslims hating on us. And if you say that rape is a tradition in Islam, then it'll have to go sacrifice a goat and burn it in order to worship my god. It makes no sense. Please inform yourself before you try to discuss something.
@BlazingBowman, not so much of a cancer. There are a lot of upsides in a religion. It gives you "purpose", a reason to live, makes you believe in something better and makes you believe there's something after death so you dont be afraid of it, because a loot of people really get afraid. One of the reasons im going too depression is the fear of death, the fear of whats next or isnt't. I just can't believe that theres something after and its scaring the shjt out of me, which in a way is just me being stupid, because there has to be something, things dont just appear like out of magic. But thinking too much about those things is not healthy.
@BlazingBowman, you drunk? Child marriage is now legal in germany? Where did you even got that from?
@BlazingBowman, no they weren't, I studied the crusades it was christians trying to seize the holy land for themselves and boot every non Christian out.
@BlazingBowman, Please stop spouting such clumsy hate and intolerance. Your generalizations are clunky and dangerous. For those whose BS radar went off with all their off-the-cuff stats and proclamations, right on.
@BlazingBowman, Marriage is a contract. One country cannot invalidate a country a contract that was entered into outside its borders. While Germany may be against child marriage, going against cultural practices and international law is complicated. Please don't simplify complex issues into racial, sensationalized edicts. https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-06/germany-taking-harder-look-child-marriage
@enthusiastic, right those statistics were completly false. Did you even bother googling any of what i said or are you just assuming im lying. It is true that in sweden rape has increased 1000% and germany and sweden and many other e.u nations are letting migrants stay married to the children they married in the middle east. And yes there were many muslim invasions of europe. And many crusades were in response to it. But keep in full denial mode. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
@enthusiastic, it is still pedophilia they are raping 12 year old girls in germany and the german government is allowing it.
@BlazingBowman, ahaha dude you have literally no idea what you're talking about 😂 I'm serious. Go to reliable sources. Look shjt up. But don't just make up statistics, events and parts of history. Most people know better. It's no use.
@A pet named Steve, this is so cool. FunnyPics is even a platform for intellectual dialogue from many different countries.
@Half Black Man, true. Though I believe that some people simply use religion to justify what they are doing, and they're not actually doing it in the name of the religion or for their god - they don't even need a specific religion or a belief, they just need some sort of excuse. See as an example how badly Isis is twisting the Qur'an around to make it fit their needs. Same thing with the crusades.
@BlazingBowman, please tell me why you think they are allowing it. Because that's bullshjt. Rapists go to prison.
@BlazingBowman, you are referring to the Umayyad conquest of Hispania? That took place 711-718 AD the first crusade was in 1095 AD, the reason for it was because Pope Urban II wanted to reunite eastern and western Christendom and put himself as head of the United Church.
@Smo Queed, Internet conversations like this are rather rare, especially about a topic like this. I love how civilized and open minded these conversations are (most of the time) :D
@A pet named Steve, I agree. Humans in general throughout history tend to use organizations of power or authority to justify things wouldn't necessarily support the origin, or true meaning of the belief. It's unfortunate, really. You don't see Buddhists trying to mess with anybody though, keeping it real
@Half Black Man, uh in Burma there is a bubddist cleric advocating the mass slaughter of muslims
@Half Black Man, my cousin is Buddhist. She's super chill. Buddhism is such a nice religion, they believe that achieving peace, comfort and happiness is honorable. But you're right, I never thought about how Buddhists are never involved with anything bad. Huh.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, ah well, it seems the ugliness of human nature escapes not even the most humble of souls
@Half Black Man, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Buddhism more of a philosophy than a religion
@A pet named Steve, it's hardly a religion, they call it the religion of the mind. I find meditations to be useful, but I get upset too often to achieve nirvana baha.
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, oh definitely, the means and end are defined by individual goals rather than communal worship and dedication.
@Half Black Man, that's the thing though militant Islam makes as much sense as a militant Buddhism or militant Christianity: the philosophies simply do not condone violent acts except those made in self defence. And yet people will try to use their faith as justification for senseless cruelty
@A pet named Steve, its on youtube ive seen it anyone can look it up. Litterally type in german girl calls cop on mogrant rape. And yes by your own government statistics it went up. Deny reality all you want but these are facts. Just because your media covers most of them up. And there jas been ca
llusion between your government to cover this up. Ive read the leaked emails.
@TroolFace, not necessarily legal but they let 12 year olds get raped by their husbands as long as they were married to them in the middle east.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, someone lies on the internet. Simple google search prooves you wrong. Type in 7ths crusade. It was in response to muslims attacking christian land.
@BlazingBowman, that doesnt make any sense. Dont believe everything you see on the web, take it from someone who knows what happens in germany because hes been there.
@BlazingBowman, dude I wasn't talking about the 7th crusade I was talking about the 1st seeing as the only Muslim invasion of Europe occurred a few centuries prior. By the way that crusade got minimal support from Christendom as the vast majority had long since stopped caring, the primary supporters were doing so in order to acquire more power.
@A pet named Steve, because the prisons are full to capacity. Because if the public knew the whole scope of the situation theyed want them gone and merkel would be to blame. And no this isnt a conspiracy. Emails to sheriffs. And media.
@TroolFace, i dont i look for evidence. Statistics come from the governments themselves. The rest is confirmed via video evidence. Theres a reason the media tried to hide the attacks on new years eve and cologn they didnt even talk about it for weeks afterwards.
@BlazingBowman, they're not full. Christ, stop watching so many conspiracy theories. The girl could have faked it to get views, I mean why else would it be on YouTube? And our media doesn't cover it up, if something like this DOES happen, which is pretty rare, it's a huge deal and talked about a lot, discussed heavily in numerous very serious talk shows, etc. And so far, the government has gotten involved in all relevant acts of violence either against or coming from the migrants here. Refugees and migrants are a very important topic and we strive to find the best solutions for a halcyon way of living together. There sadly is as much (or even more) violence towards migrants and refugees than vice versa. So far all the refugees that I've met were really really friendly and nice.
@BlazingBowman, didn't talk... About it??? It was ALL over the news, hell, it still is talked about! I knew about it the day after new years eve, and so did the rest of the country. Just stop talking if you have no idea just what the fvck is going on, okay?
@A pet named Steve, thats fvcking true, i was actually scared for my cousin cuz she lives very very close to germany and you never know... and I so the "evidence" he talked about. Anyone can fake that, if those things really did happen the media wouldn't have a problem talking about it because all they care about is views, they dont take "sides". Oh and that talk abou germany letting them rape 12 year olds? Wow that makes so much sense. I guess all rapists are going to germany '-'
@A pet named Steve, all over the news like two weeks after it happend. When mass outcry forced them to talk about it. And obviously they link sources. Statistical data by your goverenmt. And no i dont watch conspiracy theories. And if theres really more violence towards refugees than there is vice versa then i dare you to walk alone in a heavily populated migrant area at night alone. But you wont. Because you spew on about the poor migrants most of whom arnt from syria and how your supposed to take care of them. But i doubt youve actrually seen alot of them. Youre a hypocrite.
@TroolFace, theyre married to 40 year old men and theyre twelve. Germamies letting them stay married so yes theyre allowing the rape of children.
@TroolFace, you realise the age of consent in middle eastern countries is really low like 12 and 14 in some of them. They get married the migrate to germany the germans dont seperate them whats so hard to understand about that. Honestly you people are dumb.
@BlazingBowman, oh wow, starting to call people dumb and hypocrite? 1st of all where you from, like country, if you want i can tell you mine. After that ima show you why your the only dumb people here.
@TroolFace, lol im the only dumb people indeed. Whatever man. Its because of people like you that there will be no native germans in germany in a hundred years. Atleast if things keep going the way they are.
@BlazingBowman, good thing im not german. Clearly you dont have any ideia of whats going on with the refugees, all you know is what the internet tells you, and the internet has many versions. You talk about steve not seeing any of them, which se already denied, I bet you havent been in a 100 km radius of one refugee. Well I have, I know who they are, where they live, where they work and where is kids go to school, and the only complaint that the local police has is from refugees themselfs. They complaint about they're sons being bullied in school, which is true, and nothing else. They live peaceful lives and dont bother anyone. And im talking of course about refugees who have left the refugees camp, because i dont live anywhere near a camp and so I only know what I see in the news, and so far, I havent seen anything of what your're talking about because its fake news.
@TroolFace, dude you act like im just taking there word for it. Its not fake news when there are videos of this happening. I dont need to see them to watch 20 of them chase 12 year olds down a street with sticks and rocks. I dont need to meet them to watch groups of them drag swedish and german women into allies where they are gang raped. Theres video evidence of this. And theres the governments themselves with statistical criminal data on crimes. Though theyve stopped labeling the race and nationality of the offender i wonder why. Im not the one who doesnt know anything. Ive done my research. All you have is highly subjective experiences with the half decent muslims in the mix.
@A pet named Steve, implying it's a minority of Muslims because of your anecdotal "I have a friend who is Muslim" is fact.
It's not a minority. It's a majority. A majority of Muslims agree with Sharia being the law of the land and do not believe there can be a separation of church and state. That means that you are now worth half of a man. You don't have the same rights as a man. Gays MUST be killed.
That's just a few examples. I'd say that those are pretty extreme views wouldn't you?
And since you hailed Turkish Muslims as moderate, why do they still kill gays constantly in their country? Why are women still oppressed by law and religion? I'll give you a hint because it's a regressive, backwards ideology that promotes the killing of non-believers.
It's the only religion that didn't progress with every other religion, because it can't. That progression is fundamentally at odds with the teachings.
@TroolFace, so you're saying that a massive amount of these people immigrate into France, Germany and Sweden (just to name the three most high profile countries), then their violent crime rates sky rocket, and there is no correlation there even though that's literally the only significant demographic change since the 50s?
Lolk. I'd love to hear your explanation for that.
@RustyFapwagon, like I said, there's still people who are extremists. And you're right, more than in other religions. Though that changes nothing about the fact that the Islam is not about This kind of violence, and that many Muslims are just normal people.
@A pet named Steve, see but the problem is the terminology you're using. It's intellectually dishonest to say "extremists" or "people" when we know for a fact from Pew polls that in reality a majority of Muslims, especially from countries these Muslims are immigrating from, support the "radical" side of Islam because it is actually the fundamental side of Islam.
Are some Muslims normal people? Sure.
Are most? That's a verifiable no.
@BlazingBowman, what If I told you I walked around in a 'migration area' at night (and day) multiple times and literally nothing happened? My school has a program where we help refugees and I'm planning to help out translating their stories from English to German at the BAMF. And I do see a lot of them, in my city, for every 20 citizens there is 1 refugee (2016), and we have about 300.000 citizens. You can do the math. Oh and the media wasn't forced to talk about it, why would they be? Why would they even want to hide it? In times of social media it's very difficult to hide such things anyway.
@BlazingBowman, as a German I can tell you I don't care if there will be pure natives or not. Hitler wanted pure Germans. Most of us don't care. Plus, it'll take way longer for something like that to happen.
@RustyFapwagon, not the only significant demographic change since the 50s but I won't talk about that, just check again. And yes, since then the crimes went really up, but tell me, who made at least 80% of those crimes? People born in those countries or people who came from other contries but are not refugees. I dont know if you noticed, but I did, that this "gangs" violence its only going up and this gang are made from people who are born in those countries. Compare the number of crimes made by french and germans with the number of crimes refugees made. Then tell me who's worst.
@A pet named Steve, yeah its not like they average 7 kids per couple while native germans average like 1.38. Cause if that were true they would outnumber native germans in 20 to 50 years. Especially if you invite millions more. And i highly doubt your school is dumb enough to let you walk a migrant center alone at night. My guess is you either had someone with your or a group of someones with you.
@TroolFace, not true if you look at demographics by nationality somali and nigerian migrants commit most of the crime in sweden now. Based on swedens crime statistics.
@BlazingBowman, sorry if that came across wrong, the school project has nothing to do with me walking around at night. We invite over young refugees into our lessons.
@A pet named Steve, so you invite young refugees into a classroom im hardly surprised they didnt try anything there. Heres an idea try going to the calais jungle. Shouldnt be more than a few hours away from you. Because of that autoban or however you spell it. And juzt walk alone at night for a few hours. If you trully thing the majority of muslims are peaceful and kind people then you have a really high chance of not ending up like that senators daughter.
@TroolFace, I have? It's the refugees. Check the Brå stats from Sweden. It is the most significant demographic change. The really scary thing is that these countries all have been working really hard to cover up migrant crime. The real stats are becoming harder and harder to get ahold of because the government doesn't want to seem intolerant.
You can't honestly believe that these crime rates jumped virtually overnight and it's just because out of no where some men who'd been living in the country for years just decided they should rape some people? And that all that happened right at the same time that a lot of migrants (the vast majority of the migrants being men between 18-27) that are allowed to carry out these actions in there own countries showed up?
@BlazingBowman, as wrong as she is, I wouldn't wish what would happen to her on anyone.
@RustyFapwagon, i dont expect her to. I imagine she wont go. But honestly if she did id feel bad. Itd be my fault. But she wont.
@BlazingBowman, that's like me saying hey go into some American ghetto with high criminality rates at night! See, [group of people] is so violent!!!! Of course there are violent people. You can't convince me that a certain group of people is bad because they are bad in a certain region. Because almost every group of people has a bad 'counterside'. Christians, Germans, Muslims, Americans, French, Russian, white people, black people etc etc.
And one more thing, for the love of God STOP saying that refugees are violent. How many have you met? How many? None, am I right? And even if you did, we're they violent? They are little kids. Teenagers. Mommys and daddys. People like you and me. 'ooh I'm surprised they didn't Try anything there'. Well no shjt buddy, maybe because they were just a bunch of kids that were super nervous and happy to have people their age to talk to. To generalize then in this way is absolutely narrow minded and fairly not very intellectual.
@BlazingBowman, sorry, misread rhat one part about 'hardly'. I read highly. Yet that doesn't change anything about you generalizing these people. Why do you think they are all violent? They need protection, a home, food, jobs. They had to leave their lifes behind. Their families and homes. Many die on their way out of their home country. No one of them forgets the things They have seen. Are there some black sheep under them? Yes. Are they all or almost all like that? Not even close. They just need help, help that we can give to them. That's why most of the refugees come here, to start a new life, away from war and crises.
@BlazingBowman, you're right. But can you blame them for thinking this way? All the government cover ups and propaganda that's released spewing the "not muh religion" and "celebrate diversity" shjt is insane and that's what they see. Not to mention you could be legally charged in some countries now for criticising Islam. I'm just happy I live in the US. We can openly criticize this insanity and if there was ever a "rape game" staged in any state except NY, MA, CA or NJ there probably wouldn't be another one again because the citizens in that area would be armed and capable of fighting back.
@BlazingBowman, I did research on the Sweden thing. What you said is bullshjt. You said what Trump Said about Sweden, and it's wrong. There is no relevant increase in crime, neither by the natives nor by the immigrants. I have family in Sweden, and they never reported anything. If you don't believe me, I will ask them about it personally if I get the chance, after all they probably know best.
@A pet named Steve, you're wrong. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are men. 73% of them actually according to Pew. The "muh women and children" argument carries no weight, because it is factually incorrect.
@RustyFapwagon, I don't really know how it's handled in the USA. I just know what I know from experience and what I learned through family and school. And in Germany you can criticize all you want as long as you don't directly hurt people's right of free speech and free religion. Ahh anyway this discussion leads nowhere, and is costing me nerves. What say we just leave it at that?
@A pet named Steve, i dont need to meet them. Like i said plenty of video evidence of them being violent to total strangers. And by the way most of them are inbetween the ages of 18 and 40. Most of these "kids" are adults. Of course im not saying every last muslim is violent. But their is a huge portion maybe even a majority of migrants that are.
@A pet named Steve, sweety the ones you met are propaganda. Cherry picked out for you to meet them. You think theyd bring the rapey ones to your school?
@A pet named Steve, because youre spewing falsehoods that make you feel good? To your last point to @BlazingBowman, anecdotal evidence means nothing to the informed. Don't talk about your family there. It isn't relevant.
Want to know the funny part about the crime rates in Sweden? The number you're likely seeing is the number from the US State Department which is wildly inaccurate. The number from Brå shows a 50% increase in rape and a near 80% increase in violent crime.
Also who is the gauge for offence with your law? Being from the US where laws don't have a subjective side to them maybe I don't understand, but I can say whatever I want unless it is a direct call to action to commit a crime. That's real free speech. The term "hate speech" is a censorship tool used by people with a weak stance.
@A pet named Steve, like that german couple who were arrested for critisizing migrants on a closed facebook group?
@RustyFapwagon, I don't know the percentage so I will just believe you here. Still, there are families and children who need help. Have you seen the image of the little three year old refugee boy that was washed ashore face down? It was ALL over the news here. That just really hurt my heart when I saw it - still does. It happens to many refugees. I am willing to help as long as they don't get violent or discriminating, because if I were to flee to another country, I'd try to assimilate as best as I can, too. Oh and if you want to look up the picture please be aware that (at least it was like that for me) it will probably haunt you for a while, so... :(
@RustyFapwagon, @BlazingBowman I know that you obviously don't believe me on most of the things I've said. And since this'll probably just continue in the same way, us telling each other that we're wrong and such, how about we just end the discussion (I have plenty of other things to do, no offense.) And since you, Bowman, want me to go to the Calais jungle, why don't you come to Germany to see for yourself? It's really not like you think. But this discussion is just getting worse and worse.
@A pet named Steve, they already are getting violent! That's what I'm saying! They aren't assimilating into cultures either. Are you aware of the no go zones all over Europe? Whole streets that the police won't even go to because the refugees are so violent there that it won't matter? Are you aware of the massive problem with FGM in Europe now? Are you aware of the Mosques all over Europe operating as courts sperate from the government and your laws?
How's that for assimilation?
The point is they aren't assimilating, they're turning your countries that were once something good into the hell holes they came from.
I feel bad for the people that aren't a threat, but my county's people come first and those people have chosen to represent a major threat every where they've mass immigrated. We won't have it in the US and I'm proud of that.
@A pet named Steve, I'm telling you you're wrong because they numbers prove you're wrong. It's very apparent you've don't little to no research on the subject outside of "I saw this thing one time." If it's not illegal to research this in Germany yet I'd encourage you to do some independent research. Then maybe you can educate some of your countrymen before it's too late.
@enthusiastic, you're right about the marriage contract, and he is wrong about Germany allowing it, but the government has lost control in most of these areas and Mosques are operating as courts for Muslims in Germany (and most of the world). Most Muslim marriages aren't recognized by the government and crimes against children have risen fairly dramatically so I'd say it's very likely these people are marrying children illegally.
@A pet named Steve, also I was reading through some comments about and I noticed that you don't know what the crusades were.
The crusades were a direct response to a Muslim crusade that went on for nearly twice as long as the Christian crusade did. The Christian crusade started because of the very real Muslim threat that was pushing into Europe at that time, the Christians just won.
@RustyFapwagon, for the love of God this is the third time I'm writing this comment, it keeps crashing
Ok very short version: I have, speaking of Germany, never encountered problems like the ones you described, nor do I know of any incidents regarding that topic. My friend for example, she lives almost directly next to old US barracks that now serve as a home to refugees, and she has never had any problems with the refugees.
Sorry if this sounds rude now, but I have no time to continue this discussion, at least not for the moment. Math exam is coming up and I really have to study now (because I suck at math, Badly). But I promise that I will look into what you and Bowman told me, and I will look at the statistics again.
@RustyFapwagon, maybe we are speaking of different crusades (or the German Kreuzzug is something different)? I'll look into that too.
@A pet named Steve, also look up the definition of anecdotal evidence, because everything you just said isn't relevant.
@A pet named Steve, I'm talking about the one everyone likes to equate to Christianity being violent. The one that was a result of the imperialistic Muslims attacking the Byzantine emperor and then the Turks getting crushed by Europe.
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, that's an odd comment. Do you really think everyone is always going to agree the same?
@TORGUE FLEXINGTON, you are negating the influence a mentor (whether it be Imam, teacher, father, mother) can have on a developing mind. To say that they would find an excuse to do violence is just patently untrue. If they are taught to hate, they will hate. If they are taught to believe that their way is righteous, and killing the unrighteous is not only just, but Allah himself will bless you and your whole family - they will kill for that honor.
@BlazingBowman, the statistics about how many Muslims believe in sharia law are staggering. People love to say that it's only a minority of the population which even if true is a staggering number of people.
If there are 100 people in a room, and only 5% want to do serious harm to me, that's still 5 people.
Now consider a country like Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world with 209M Muslims. Pew research Polls there showed that 72% support Sharia law and 18% have a favorable view of ISIS.
That's 150,500,000 people in a single country that think ISIS has the right idea!
Within the Middle East, the percentages are way higher.
There is a lot wrong where that many Poole think that a cult like ISIS is anything other than complexly sick.
/Pewresearch.org Muslims and Islam key findings/ for anyone who wants to read about this.
@RustyFapwagon, imma stop you right there man the crusades were started because the Byzantine Emperor was losing prominence in the Middle East and was facing invasion and Pope Urban II saw this as an opportunity reunite east and west Christendom and make himself the head of the United church, the only Muslim invasion of Europe proper was the colonisation of hispania which took place centuries before the first crusade. As for the actual crusades themselves, when the crusaders entered Jerusalem in 1099 they slaughtered virtually all of the Islamic and Jewish (they also massacred the Jewish population of Germany) population and then prevented them from returning. In the fourth crusade the crusaders never reached the holy land and instead laid waste to Constantinople, they committed horrific atrocities against the people in the city. Also the crusades ultimately ended with an Arabic victory, and the Turks took Constantinople in 1425.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, I'm not saying the crusaders didn't do terrible things too, but the crusades started as a direct result of Muslim imperialism. If they hadn't happened we'd likely all be facing Mecca to pray and our women wouldn't be allowed to drive to.
Mia Khalifa and stepmom experiment new things.
@K1lgore, I like your sense of humor
Call me old fashioned but... do you guys like my denim jacket?