Trump and Clinton fans say not to vote for Johnson because it would take a vote away from Trump or Clinton
And I'm just over here like "Isn't that the point!?"
*Aliens guy/meme thing*
@Sexy Homunculus, yeah, a lot of people are saying that voting for Johnson is like throwing your vote away because Trump or Hillary will win anyways. I think I would rather 'throw away' my vote on someone besides those two, and
@WhiteGirlSatan, not feel trapped or obligated into voting for someone.
@Sexy Homunculus, Times like this, we Brits feel preeeeety good about how that whole War of Independence thing worked out.
@Sexy Homunculus, I'm still surprised by how many Libertarians there are on here. I mean I like it, but I'm surprised. Anyways #FeelTheJohnson
@Sexy Homunculus, it pissed me off that both Democrats and Republicans referred to voting for a third party as "defecting." They both are using scare tactics to keep the power in their hands.
@Sexy Homunculus, His campaign could literally just be "I'm not either of them" and he'd probably get half the country
@Nellybert , you feel good? That's fine enjoy your stagnant post brexit economy that your pig fvcking prime minister left you with.
@payton manning, Firstly, ouch. Dude, was a joke about us losing a war - don't take it too seriously! :) Secondly, our economy is growing faster than most of the Eurozone, so we're doing okay. Thirdly, the pig fùcking thing is hilarious so I'm not gonna get butthurt over it. :)
@Nellybert , You handled that well. Go get yourself a pint that's symbolically on the house
@BrotherNature, Only if you'll join me for a drink my good sir.
@Nellybert , Indeed I shall!
@BrotherNature, I'll get a round in, will grab some crisps too.
I'll get one for @Payton Manning too in case he wants to join us.
@payton manning, NaCl
@jklyt1, I've never identified as a Libertarian, per se, but I do have strong Libertarian leanings, if that makes you feel better.
@k151rumm, While the powers that be may be using it as a scare tactic, this is how many of us on the ground see it: The race is so close (literally nearly 50/50, much closer than other "close" races in the past) that if Stein or Johnson get enough votes, they'll be a spoiler for the left. I honestly don't see how anybody would think they'd be a spoiler for the right, but I'm always willing to learn.
@Jdrawer, I wouldn't call myself one either normally but for the sake of the election it's definitely who I'm siding with. Otherwise I just consider myself an independent with more Libertarian values.
@Jdrawer, that's funny because last stats I saw put both Clinton and Trump in the 40s or less, leaving at least 20% for 3rd parties... And that's WITHOUT all the news coverage and debates. What do you think would happen if they were given a fair chance in our supposedly Democratic political system? Cause obviously the GOP and the DNC don't represent our people very well.
@TwistedTea, That 20% is split between all third parties and all eligible non-voters, including those who believe that it'd be better to vote neither and to vote anyone else would be to throw away their vote.
@Jdrawer, eh, no if you really think that's the case, you're the one throwing away your vote. You should never vote for someone you don't believe in, period. And I disagree about the 20%, regardless, that leaves it quite far from 50/50
@TwistedTea, I didn't say I felt that way, I said they did.
@Jdrawer, that's fair enough, my bad I misread your comment
@TwistedTea, It's okay; happens all the time.
Hilary is the worst candidate. She couldn't get the job done while Bill was in office. #MonicaLewinsky2016 she got the job done when Hilary couldn't
The Johnson is magnanimous. Feel the Johnson.
@Jdrawer, I was just joking Cave Johnson is a fantastic fictional character from the game Portal 2
I actually find it terrifying that some people actually think Trump would be the less worse option, seriously as a Canadian I fear that he'll become president
@UnicornSwagg, Clinton is the embodiment of a corrupt oligarchy
@UnicornSwagg, Compared to Clinton, he will be. ;-;
@UnicornSwagg, i don't like trump I'm not voting for him, im a Johnson supporter. Why fear him? I doubt we would ever go to war with Canada. So why fear him? He won't be King, just another shotty president.
@UnicornSwagg, can... can...can I move in with you?
@UnicornSwagg, I actually find it disturbing that people still think that Clinton is a better option than Trump.
@fuddruckers, Do you know what NATO is?
@Jdrawer, i am not living in a rock. Yes i know what the antiquated trade and security agreement is for Europe.
@fuddruckers, I know you're from Canada. Nobody said anything about Iraq *bricked*
@fuddruckers, Not to mention Trump's extreme willingness for an excessive use of nukes.
@Jdrawer, i live in California....
@fuddruckers, Oh wow, I fused you with the other guy. That's embarrassing
@Jdrawer, he's literally never used a nuke. We'd know about it. He can say willing all he wants he can't launch them. A lot of people think the president can do that, but he/she/it can't. Not that i know I've never worked with nukes. However i work in a government like group. Way to many checks and balances for the leadership. Same with the president. We have 3 branches, executive, legislative, and judocial for a reason. I don't think two of tbose would be in the nuke process but the idea would be used to keep a cray cray pres inline.
@fuddruckers, I never said he used one, but that he was willing to use one. Not to mention his other messed-up proposals.
@Jdrawer, well yeah but you're making an argument about nukes when they are honeslty not an issue at this point. I am more concerned about the people he inspires. He has never said anything I've seen that shows racism. I'm talking about him making a statement that says he doesn't like an ethnicity. However people like in the kkk are inspired by him and seem to rally behind him. That is what worries me.
@fuddruckers, These are good considerations, but seriously? You've not seen his racism? Either way, here's an article you might find helpful: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html
@Jdrawer, I'll check the link out thanks. When somone says racism i want it to be backed with a quote. I hear people use it when it isn't a racist statmemt more than a stereotype, or one made out of ignorence. There is a difference, hatered is a thought process that they are less than you, unequal, etc. I just hate it when something is used improperly like that statement. It turns into hyperboble from both sides, we loose the big picture. I'm not downplaying racism don't get me wrong, as a jew I've had racist people try to attack me phsycally and verbally.
Johnson won't ever get in office. Hence, it's a waste of my vote
@4Chan Ambassador , Vote for Hillary and at least you'll be taking votes away from Trump. Not saying she's any good either, just not as bad. That's all anyone can do to stop him. That's what it's come down two, the lesser of two evils.
@Trump Repellant, Dammit *to
@4Chan Ambassador , I was agreeing with you, but thanks for the downvote dumbass
@Trump Repellant, did you stop to think he might see Hillary as the greater evil. Maybe you don't agree with him dumbass
@Trump Repellant, Don't let the downvoters get you down, even the downvote trolls' negative attention is still attention. Trump knows this well. Trump supporters eventually are going to have to learn the issues, you know the ones Trump should be talking about but won't because he doesn't have any actual plans, so all he does is bash people. I listened to his campaign stop speech last night, he can't finish a sentence before going off on some other meaningless rant. He's an embarrassment to our country.
@Snarfel Burger, Nonsense, everyone knows Trump is the worst.
@Trump Repellant, i absolutely hate Trump, but in what way is he worse than Hillary? We have no idea how terrible he will be, but we do know how terrible she will be. She's been in government longer than most of us have been alive.
@Snarfel Burger, Have you even been paying attention to the man?
@Jdrawer, i have, he seems like a bull-headed phony conservative who wants his name back in the spotlight. How is he worse than Hillary though?
@Snarfel Burger, Hillary might be terrible, sure, but at least she knows how to do her job. She might be a mockery of democracy, but at least she's not going to dismantle the first amendment (as many of Trump's policies are in direct violation with). At least she's not supporting the likes of Russia and North Korea. At least she's not planning on butting heads with NATO. At least she's not planning on deporting legal citizens (which would be hell on our economy). At least she's not planning on being war hungry or forcing our military to commit war crimes.
@Jdrawer, i would disagree with you that she knows how to do her job. If you completely ignore the news from the last year regarding her email scandals and her part in the deaths of Americans in Libya, she actually as a really terrible track record as Secretary of State. You can research how inefficient and careless she has been with our relationships with allies and more hostile countries. He might be an uncouth bastard, but at least he's not going to dismantle the second amendment (as many of Hillary's policies are in direct violation with). At least he's not supporting the likes of Bashar Al Asad and enemies of Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. At least he's not planning on ignoring federal laws. At least he's planning on upholding rules that we've set in place regarding citizenship. At least he hasn't already committed heinous crimes and forced others to do so as well.
@Snarfel Burger, Clever girl
@Mistyblue Ghost, You know what's a embarrassment? Your post. Most of it is one hideous run-on sentence.
@4Chan Ambassador , I'm an English lit major, my post was not a run-on sentence, it was perfectly punctuated. You must be a Trump supporter because you ignored my issue and proceeded to bash me. Congrassholeations! 😂 And good luck in your your troubled relationships.
@Mistyblue Ghost, AHAHAHA! English lit major! No fvckin' wonder! You're 50,000 in debt and all you have to show for it is a liberal arts degree! Let me guess who you supported.... Hmm.... Magical free college man? Lol, either way you're a liberal you degenerate.
English lit degree lol. What a joke. Even if it's true... I doubt you even have the sh!ttiest of all degrees
@4Chan Ambassador , Actually I do have a liberal arts degree and I also have a double BA in psych and lit, free via a full scholarship from a private donor for being smart and poor, so you guessed it, magical free college man, or woman! I did have to pay some prior to winning the scholarship but it's all paid off. 😆 And you used "degenerate" in the wrong context, you probably meant something along the lines of "awesome girl". Either way (notice my comma now), you're still a narcissistic, self-righteous dooshbag who will be forever alone forever 😂
@Mistyblue Ghost, Yes, and I graduated from Yale. I have written and published many works on autism and cancer. Hmm. From my diagnosis, you have both. You are both cancerous and autistic. I fvck a new babe each night, buy a new lambo everyday, and drink only the finest wines imported daily from around the globe.
Because here on the Internet, you have to take my word. I am absolutely all these things. There's no way I am lying out my a$$ like a insecure 13 year old to look cool!
@4Chan Ambassador , Actually, I don't pick on sarcastic, impotent, Robert Downey Jr. wannabes such as yourself to look cool, that would be too easy (that was a total of three slams and a celebrity reference thrown in just for you cuz yer special.. very special) 😂
@Mistyblue Ghost, It can't sense sarcasm either.... This is a very rare specimen. This isn't your average everyday cuck... This is a ADVANCED cuck
Finally a good political post
If Hillary get it we'll have four more years of the current stagnation, but if Trump gets it, it
@HSA, could be the beginning of the apocalypse
@HSA, how so?
@Snarfel Burger, he'll pull some senseless bs that puts us back into the recession we just crawled out of
@HSA, like what?
@Snarfel Burger, like trying to "renegotiate" our debt which in a way means trying to declare bankruptcy, if he even hinted at that the dollar would plummet
@Snarfel Burger, regardless of whatever you believe about Hillary, she knows how the system works and has no incentive to drive it into the ground. Trump has given too many indications that he'd have no idea what he'd be doing
@Snarfel Burger, Pissing off NATO
@Jdrawer, how's he gonna piss off NATO and what does that matter? Educate an uniformed voter please...
@Snarfel Burger, uninformed*
@Snarfel Burger, Alright, so NATO is an international economic (IIRC) alliance that America is a part of. Our involvement in NATO is a big factor of our economic success. They'll also come to our military aid if needed. Trump has gone on record stating that he doesn't feel the other members of NATO are paying their fair share (They are.) And is basically blackmailing/threatening NATO as a whole if they don't satisfy his demands.
@Snarfel Burger, tl;dr NATO good for money, no NATO no money
@Jdrawer, NATO is also extremely dependent on American cooperation. So it's not like there is zero leverage over that almost worthless organization.
@Snarfel Burger, You're not wrong (except when you call it an "almost worthless organization") but the skinny is that pissing them off not only hurts them, but also us. That last bit should be pretty important.
@Jdrawer, thing is, the alliances and agreements we have with members of NATO would still apply with the individual states if we left NATO and we wouldn't be subject to their stipulations. It'd be kinda like Brexit. Which hasn't been disastrous like everyone predicted yet.
Trump is the right nut to choose. #LetsMakeAmericaGreatAgain
Why choose the left original post or the right original post when you can choose the repost?
@StarsAyyy, when was this posted on here the first time?
@StarsAyyy, not a repost
@StarsAyyy, oops sorry thought I'd seen it here before
@StarsAyyy, think i saw this on reddit a couple days ago
I spammed the thumbs up so hard I cracked my screen.
I'd rather waste my vote by writing in our glorious Socialist Grandpa.
Johnson can work together with all the Libertarians in Congress to get stuff done. No wait - there only like 2 of them. Maybe some of these people b1tching about the 2 nominees should run for Congress as Libertarians. But that's none of my business. *sips tea
Who's Gary Johnson? Being Canada, all I hear is "evil Shillery, and idiot Drumpf"
@Baby Cthulhu, Libertarian presidential candidate
@Sexy Homunculus, Ah. Thank you. If you don't mind me asking, what is the appeal of libertarianism in the states? Since Canada is generally a more left-wing nation than the states (our conservative part can be seen as more central in the USA), I don't understand the rise in libertarian support.
@Baby Cthulhu, the rise in support is because it's not Hillary and its not Donald. Pretty much the only reason right now though we do have a few subsets of the population that are more inclined to libertarian ideals rather than conservative or liberal. It's just like another political party here though they don't get federal support I don't think
@Baby Cthulhu, I can't speak for everybody, but a lot of people (myself included) don't like the idea of the government being so much in our lives. Libertarians believe in personal freedom and limited government. So rather than having conservatives say gay marriage shouldn't be allowed or liberals trying to take our guns away libertarians just want to live their lives as they choose to. And with Drumpf and Billary being the two main candidates in this election voters are beginning to look at Johnson and the Libertarians more so than ever
@Baby Cthulhu, Libertarianism is generally about less government control on the daily lives of people. Many of their other views views line up with Republicans and Conservatives
@asstronaut, makes sense. Here we normally have 3 to 4 parties to choose from during elections, so I can see the appeal of having another candidate. Especially if they all suck.
@Sexy Homunculus, I can see that appeal. Although I would consider myself left-libertarian. Pretty much meaning that I support the idea of a social democracy that doesn't limit ones freedom. Basically I support social programs, regulations to protect workers, the environment, etc. As well as not limiting ones personal freedoms (freedom of choice, speech, etc.)
@Baby Cthulhu, generally Libertarians are opposed to social programs because they raise taxes. There are degrees to Libertarianism just like the other parties though. And as far as Libertarians go Johnson is pretty moderate. A lot of Libertarians are borderline anarchists. But as far as Johanson goes, he's pro personal freedom, anti war, and anti Wall Street or what he calls "crony capitalism". Which are all things I can get behind so he's got my vote pretty much sown up.
@jklyt1, Yeah, I know there are libertarians that have higher values towards individualism, but generally, the libertarians I see (in both Canada, and the USA) are generally business man that want less government regulation to help them earn greater profits. From what I hear about Johnson, he seems like a good guy (even though I don't necessarily agree with his views), but living in Alberta, the libertarians I deal with are members of the Wild rose party, and they're pretty nuts.
@Baby Cthulhu, a good way to decipher what a libertarians views are is to understand some of the principles and values like the non-aggression principle (never initiate force) and the idea of self ownership. If you really extend these out you'll get to smaller governments, more individual freedoms, more free trade, less war, and possibly some form of anarcho-capitalism. It's about allowing others to live their life how they choose, provided it doesn't involve initiating force against anyone else. Libertarians aren't necessarily opposed to ALL taxes, like user fees (tolls on roads). Just the ones that are imposed by force. It's a very principled political party, in the US at least. Johnson is a little loose with it though.
@Baby Cthulhu, It's so nice to meet you Canada.
@xSparkySharky, shît, u meant Canadian. Oops
@Baby Cthulhu, I*
@NotCaveJohnson, I see what you're saying. I share a lot of those views as well when it comes to individual freedom, and non-aggression. But I do believe in bigger government for certain aspects, like social programs, and regulations to protect the workers, the environment, and not just to "make corporations less money" and some people may believe, but rather to protect workers from being exploited, and to keep corporations from destroying the environment; say for example: not disposing of waste properly. Which is generally why I (and may others who fall in the left) call myself left-libertarian. I'm all about personal freedom, and the helping of ones community. There is room for both individualism and collectivism. Which is generally my philosophical principle. But I do see the appeal of libertarianism.
@Baby Cthulhu, he's basically a person that hates roads
@Baby Cthulhu, Though the downside to Johnson is that he's a big states's rights guy. That's normally a good thing, but not the way he goes about it, since his main concern is limiting federal power. As an example: He believes that the federal government should have no right to ban gay marriage, but he feels that the states should be left alone to make that decision. It seems pretty counterproductive, especially when it comes to government discrimination.