From an epidemiologist’s perspective... they’re the same picture.
Go back to your unfunny memes Sexy Homunculus. These political pics are awful.
@Weird Porn Stash, lol you cussed him raw 😂
Protest is protest. We can disagree on what they are about. But calling one evil and literally bending the knee to the other will make people angry. You have one side rioting. I don't want to see what a right wing riot would look like
@voided sanity, no, you don’t.
@XiozTaschez, right wing protest. Peaceful. Right wing riot. Most likely bloody
@voided sanity, So, you fear a right-wing riot and your grand plan is to insult the right-wing and further the animosity? Interesting tactic.
Edit: I’m dumb sometimes.
@XiozTaschez, yup. As a conservative I'm going to insult them. From what I've seen the right tends to mind it's own until roused. And with being called deplorable. Nazi. Racist. for years being locked down. If you get the right to get out and riot. It will be very ugly. The longer you stretch a rubber band the more it'll hurt when it snaps
@voided sanity, I completely misread your former reply. Now with context I see the error of my ways, I apologize and agree.
@XiozTaschez, all good my dude. Easy to misinterpret (now more then ever) try not to agree to much or you might be ousted as a bigot.
@voided sanity, Oh it’s way too late for that.
@voided sanity, its not the protests people are concerned about. Its the rioters beating people to death in the streets.
@CocoasBro, oh that I agree with. But I mean between the peaceful side of both protesters the ones in Michigan were called horrible granny killers. And cops and politicians literally kneel to the other. That'll cause animosity if you agree with either side or not
@voided sanity, A right wing riot is just the Boog
@voided sanity, because if u said bad things about white ppl they don’t get upset and if they do well nobody cares and ppl say that White ppl have no right to be upset ever cause ever white persons life is absolutely perfect but if u say bad things about black ppl you’re racist and you’re part of the problem (whatever the problem is) and u might lose your job and your life will be ruined not to mention the public outrage
Regardless where one stands on the matter. Can’t we protest practicing social distance or wearing mask more! Also do we really need loot small businesses? Who do you think is going to pay for all the damage in taxes? Strive for higher education no matter what you believe...it will only change you for the better.
@pyrocrypto, I can get behind this sentiment.
@XiozTaschez,6 feet behind lol
Laughs at both sides as Asians surpass everyone in education, median income, life span, and entrepreneurial endeavors. (Those that live in the US at least)
@Strawberry Milk, but... but... but what about mUh wHiTe sYsTeMic RaCisM???
Oh wait... maybe there is a cultural difference and it literally has nothing to do with race at all? Nah! Has to be sYStemiC raCisM
@big freedom, it is naive to believe that system racism alone caused the issue and that cultural differences had no role, but it is even more naive to think that cultural differences can solely justify the current situation. ESPECIALLY given a history of system racism.
@Dickwad, we don’t have a history of systemic racism. Your argument is invalid. We have historical racism, and modern racism. That is not what systemic racism is. We do not have a system built on the idea that one race is superior or inferior to any other. We have the opposite of that.
@big freedom, by definition, systemic racism is “The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour that amount to discrimination through prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people." We don’t need to have laws in place that oppress ethnic minorities directly to have systemic racism. We have many different examples just from the police department that fit this exact description. While it’s not written down by law that minorities are oppressed, if “modern racism” affects the decisions and judgement of representatives different institutions (which we have examples showing that is the case), then we have systemic racism. Maybe we disagreed before because we were following different definitions of “system racism”.
Well when one group is protesting the minor inconvenience of having to wear a mask vs years of abuse at the hands of those who should protect them it's understandable
@Sam the Slayer, where did you hear that the protest was about not wanting to wear masks? It was about states not starting the slow open up process that was needed for small businesses to survive. They was demonized specifically for not social distancing and some people was not wearing masks.
The others are doing roughly the same in greater numbers and acting as cover for riots.
I agree that they are not equal, I disagree with the added subtext with the idea of discipline here. You have two kids you punish one reward the other for doing the same thing. Animosity grows and bad behavior nurtured. There's two things that could be gathered from this type of punishment. You punish the kid cause you hate them or you want to protect them. Both are disgusting prospects because of the end result we're talking about.
@That one lurker, respectfully, can you better explain what your argument is? Either:
A) BLM protest is more important, shouldn’t be demonized for not distancing.
B) 2 movements are equal, neither or both should be demonized.
C) BLM is more important, but still should be demonized for distancing (this one doesn’t make much sense cause idk how you can argue both things)
At first it seemed like you were in B with paragraph 1, then especially with “doing the same and acting as cover for riots,” but then you said “they are not equal” and threw me for a loop. Which would have to mean you are in A or C, but then your entire example is back to B.
@Blue Shirted Guy, you got it right with B. Neather of them should be demonized for exercising their first amendment.
Where I say I agree, I mean that the rules are not being distributed equally. That's where I jump into my jokish conspiracy theory that the media are white supremacists. Because they want to keep the white people healthy.
ps: Dude why every one down vote your clarification question?
@That one lurker, I came across a compelling argument for the BLM movement relative to distancing.
Stress, particularly prolonged stress can lead to increased heart issues, likelihood of cancer, numerous other medical issues and (recently proved and not just anecdotal) grey hair. From a medical standpoint we are faced with the need to fight a virus, or the need to fight actions that have caused a large percent of our population to be in chronic stress due to racism. It’s one medical crisis vs another. Obviously that’s just one way to view it. Fighting for the rights of fellow citizens and any number of arguments that have already been offered are still out there too. I was just intrigued by this approach.
@Canis Arktos, what about the prolonged stress of literal Nazi tactics used by hyper politicized governors in a thinly veiled attempt to implement left-controlled fascism on a mass scale?
I find it cosmically hilarious that those that proclaim to be anti-fascist are running into the arms of those that clearly fascist. Let’s look at Illinois as an example:
Kim Jong Pritzker, glorious governor of Chicago, closes the state for 2 weeks to “flatten the curve” and reduce the impact on hospitals. Hospitals are not overrun, mission accomplished. Do they open? Nope!
Dear leader extends his will through the entire month of April, declaring that before Illinois can reopen, we need more testing. He decides Illinois is going to “go it alone” and produce tests in the state, and we hit his magical 10,000 a day requirement, but do we open? Sorry, this is the new normal and anyone who disagrees will be labeled as dangerous and vilified. (Not done)
@Canis Arktos, So we stay home, through May, only to find out that Glorious leader has been enjoying his boat in Wisconsin, or his second or third home in Florida. Oh and let’s not forget that he has benefited financially from this oppressive lockdown! How? You ask. The Pritzker foundation has ties to at least 2 companies contributing to at least 10,000 tests a day in Illinois.
How. Convenient. For. Dear. Leader.
Let’s sum this up. We have a billionaire crybaby who literally bought his way into the governor’s seat, despite being connected to a former governor attempting to sell Obama’s former senator seat. Said new governor tells everyone to stay home and makes his ruling from on high like a king. In true monarch fashion, the rules he imposes on his victims do not apply to he and his. Finally, while I sit here trying to figure out how I can feed and provide for my family in the long run, he’s making another fortune off of the suffering of his subjects.
How’s that for stress?
@XiozTaschez, Original stay at home: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-orders-illinoisans-to-shelter-in-place-until-april-7/
First extension: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-extends-illinois-stay-at-home-order-through-april-30/
10,000 test goal: https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/coronavirus/2020/4/21/21228424/illinois-testing-coronavirus-j-b-pritzker-covid-19
Goal reached: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-testing-20200424-athbju5d7zhp7lw5b5bpa3orhy-story.html
Extended through May despite said goal: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/pritzker-expected-to-extend-illinois-stay-at-home-order-thursday-sources/2260588/
Pritzker defies his own stay at home order: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-pritzker-family-whereabouts-20200515-rx5qkabrabg67j3dfkllbowntu-story.html
@XiozTaschez, Pritzker has financial ties to companies making tests: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-family-firm-has-ties-to-covid-19-testing-companies/
And finally, my favorite, Pritzker getting caught up in the attempt to sell Obama’s former senator seat: https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-jb-pritzker-rod-blagojevich-fbi-wiretap-recordings-met-0601-20170531-story.html
Oops, forgot the blatant disregard for our first amendment right to worship: https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/park-ridge/ct-prh-houses-of-worship-cope-through-corona-tl-0326-20200324-vyhuj5xtjbdkbcsujg6ldlvvzi-story.html
@XiozTaschez, hey now, we’ll take truth over facts every day of the week. Also, I find your use of reality offensive.
@Hot Coffee, I need to buy you a beer.
@XiozTaschez, and I need to do the same for you. I’m fortunate enough to live in a smaller town, so haven’t had to deal with much bullshït. I feel for folks in blue states and cities.
@Hot Coffee, can’t agree more. I live in a relatively rural/agricultural area several hours from Chicago, but I’m still subject to one city’s will. It’s an absolute crock.
@Canis Arktos, I'll try not to blow you up for an argument you didn't make. I see how seductive the argument is, but what they're asking and what they are doing are two separate things. Blm is a disjointed group with no sign of over all leadership over every cell. So where one says one thing it is not the group's logical stance, it's to the majority opinion. A leader in blm wants reform, the mob wants them defunded, a growing voice wants them abolished.
So to step away from biological differences and possible increased habits in either racial group. Stress it self is an interesting argument, how ever the actions that are being taken says that they want everyone to live in fear. Not remove themselves from it.
Tldr:The words and logic are positive, the actions of the mob say the context is negative.
@That one lurker, I just came to the app since sending it, I’m surprised too haha. Normally I know if I’ll be downvoted, but I didn’t think that was particularly controversial. Only thing I can think is that a lot of people in this community are option D, BLM protests are bad and their protests are good, and they didn’t like that I didn’t include that. Who knows!
@XiozTaschez, Stop! Stop! Hes already Dead!
@CocoasBro, I was blinded by rage.
@XiozTaschez, Damb you made those points better than i ever could have.
@CocoasBro, thank you, just called it like I see it.
@XiozTaschez, I may be agnostic, but if that isn't the Lord's work, then I don't know what is.
@ALargeRacoon, because I am not the conductor of my train of thought, but just along for the ride; all I can think of in response to your comment is NakeyJakey’s YouTube video on the Pizza Hut PlayStation demo discs. There is a moment where he has to change his shirt because it gets too sweaty and sings “God works in mysterious ways.”
@XiozTaschez, I think that counts as stress and I would support your decision to protest it.
I will add an amendment that a majority, I recognize not all, of your examples were fairly recent rather than the stress experienced over an entire lifetime due to experiencing racist slights or even attacks.
You offer valid complaints. So do the other protesters. We don’t have to be ok with one situation to be upset with the other.
@Canis Arktos, I can agree with this sentiment, fully.
However, it is being showed that that isn’t the case. Voided Sanity pointed out that one side is being vilified and labeled as anti-[insert hot button topic here], while the opposite side of the same coin is literally being knelt to.
The words of one group are being twisted to de-legitimize their concerns, while all out lies are being said about the other to paint them in the best light possible.
Everything is getting skewed to one side of the conversation, and unfortunately that conversation is about how much melanin that is in one’s skin.
We are all US Citizens (for those of us that live in the greatest country on Earth, I’m biased, sorry not sorry), and we are all individuals. The separation of white, black, Latino, Asian, etc American does nothing more than plant a seed of separation. So, when I hear calls for inclusion and equality, I think, let’s start there.
@XiozTaschez, so I agree with 90%+ of what you said with only minor tweaks. (And in describing these minor tweaks it’s too easy for some readers to forget that I seriously do agree with you on most of it)
1) the news is fairly biased crap now that doesn’t even pretend to be fair. At least news in the US used to be fairly evenly “pro USA” but otherwise fair. Same for other countries. Now every news outlet is a political campaign and I agree, it’s painting people in an unfair light. It really just acts as proof that our government is increasingly controlled by corporations who increasingly buy media outlets. It’s infuriating to see my fellow citizens vilified for a 1% difference in political opinion.
Now, all that out there... I got a degree in physics. Out of 12 graduates in the physics program, we had 1 black man. This is in NYC. Actually at one of the most diverse campuses in the nation (diverse, not just minorities but truly diverse) That does not reflect the local population
@XiozTaschez, whether true or not (and I’m inclined to believe it’s true but I won’t claim to know this or have seen stats I 100% believe in) there is a large percentage of our black population who feel their lives are in jeopardy any time a police officer is around. The prisons are disproportionately occupied by people of color.
I agree, race really only exists because we think it does. “Colorblind” is our best end goal. Unfortunately too many people believe it exists. “Don’t think of a pink elephant.” Easier to say than do. Until we get to a place where people are ready to be colorblind, I would support the claims that being color conscious, and sympathetic to the trials of this group are, for now, what’s needed to bring peace and justice.
I agree, the USA is probably the best country in the world even considering what we’re working through now.
@Canis Arktos, Our education system isn’t ranked as high as others? That’s because other countries don’t have to deal with the promise to educate EVERY student, regardless of first language, disability, or any other fact. Places like China only submit international scores from their top schools.
We pay a lot for our military? Oh, well no one minds when our aircraft carriers respond with hospitals and desalination plants for coastal regions hit by a tsunami.
We have problems (overthrowing foreign governments, racism, a two party voting system,... liberals who, god love them for the acceptance they’re trying to bring about, are stomping on freedom of speech) but we are still free in ways many people literally dream about. I’m not ready to give up on us and I’m thrilled to talk to people like you who feel the same.
@Canis Arktos, not sure what happened, I had a whole post typed up in response... just never posted.
I’ll TL:DR it, you also make good points and I’m completely on board with not giving up and am just a happy to talk.
@Hot Coffee, uh... aren’t facts the truth...?
@Sam the Slayer, no, you sanctimonious fûcking twat. They are pissed because their businesses were shut down, completely arbitrarily.
All you àssholes that think it’s about Karen wanting to get a haircut... it’s about the salon owner, and the stylist, they have to earn a living too. But their menial jobs are so beneath the ivory tower of you, the Fkn media and celebrities, aren’t they. They aren’t “essential” which is a complete bûllshît term. Dunkin effinf donuts is “essential”.
@Canis Arktos, just want to say something about one of your implied points. Most of what you said I agree with, but the implication that the population makeup should be equally represented in all things, like physics degrees and the prison system for example, is absurd. People end up where they do because of their choices more than any other variable. If black people aren't getting degrees in physics at a proportional rate, it's mostly because they aren't interested in it, and there is nothing wrong with that. And I know someone is going to say something to the effect of "society tells them they can't so they don't", which is bull and we know it. And likewise, in the case of prisons, black people are disproportionately represented in prisons because they choose to commit crimes more than any other reason. And just as with the other way, someone will say "that's because society leaves them with no other options" which is equally untrue.
Now sure, there are underlying reasons (cont.)
@Canis Arktos, that these choices are made, but they boil down to cultural and community issues, not societal issues as a whole. As it stands today, all people are equal under the law (arguably the "oppressed" actually have it better under the law, but I digress), and we have already achieved equality as far as society is concerned.
When people talk about equity I want to scream, because it's not good or helpful to want to make everyone the same. We need diversity in lifestyles just as much as we need diversity in anything else. We need to have the freedom to fail as well as succeed. We need to take responsibility for ourselves so we can become better, and that means taking responsibility for the good and bad aspects of our lives.
Apologies if I read more into what you were saying than you meant. I know I inferred a lot from a very little, and I agree with most of the rest of what you said.
@XiozTaschez, And people still say Trump is a fascist. He could have seized the power to do whatever he wanted and he gave it to the governors. Then people like Gretchen Whitmer became fascists
@Captain Magma, Exactly!
@Sam the Slayer, also the worst crime ever these days would be to say anything even remotely negative about anything black ppl do
@Helecon, wow, downvoted...somebody is dumb
@Helecon, agreed, you was right about the truth thing, but some one was probly down voting everything to be a contrarian. Hot coffee was saying a popular quote from Joe Biden.
@That one lurker, it’s hard for some people to look beyond their own narrow view of the world.
@Doctor Yak, I love that we are mostly in agreement. I’m about to disagree with you but again, it’s on an ever increasingly small PART of the argument.
I agree that people make choices. I agree that there is no requirement for the diffusion of populations into every part of life with demographics equal to the population.
I will say that when there is an unequal distribution, it can be benificial to consider why that is. For the same reason you stated, people are different and think differently, I want a more diverse group of people to become physicists. We will grow better by having more and newer ideas joining the field.
My first degree was in psychology (my career prospects were not what I hoped for, hence the change) and social psychology shows some amazing effects that your environment has on the choices you make.
There’s a character count so I’ll just offer these which speak to my point:
NPR podcast from planet money June 12,2020 npr.org/2020/06/12/876097416/patent-racism
@Doctor Yak, if you prefer the original source over the podcast discussion
Cook, L.D. Violence and economic activity: evidence from African American patents, 1870-1940. J Econ Growth 19, 221-257 (2014). Https://doi.org/10.1007/s10887-014-9102-z
I really did like the podcasts discussion and planet money in general is awesome but I get it if you want better access to methods and data.
@That one lurker, are these not the Michigan protestors? If they are, that is not what they were demonized for. They were demonized for taking large weapons into the governors office without any repercussions, meanwhile at blm protests a woman holds an umbrella over a barricade and gets pepper sprayed in the face over it
@Dweeebus, the same people that criticize them as "needing a haircut" also thinks they should be disarmed. Each and everyone queued to enter the building in an orderly fashioned to get a quick fever scan and be let in.
Remembering right, this was the place where the hair cut sign was found.
I hadn't heard about this instance, but I'm curious what was happening around her. Cause I'm wondering, why was she that close to the barricade?
More importantly I'm not sure what this is directed at. Your first comment was precisely to something, what was your other one to?
@XiozTaschez, hmm, at the time of writing this I’m at a 71% approval rating. Funny how @Canis Arktos is only one with the balls to debate this. Good on you, mate!
@XiozTaschez, aawww. Thanks! I wanted to speak to one of your earlier points that got me worked up. So leadership through ... all of this... has been a complete cf. One person I think has been doing a reasonably good job as a stabilizing influence is Gov. Cuomo of NY. Now you don’t have to agree with his choices but he speaks regularly, with a calm tone, and with (in my opinion) is the right type of certainty on some issues and honesty towards other things we don’t know. I so wanted to see him as a capable leader...
Then I found out that he’s bought and paid for like everyone else. I still appreciate his tone but by golly man, when you’re pushing Soc. Dist. And your infected brother is out on the streets... smh... but that’s his brother, not him. Ok. How about when he removed liability from senior care places who took people with COVID. This lead to other seniors being infected. Something like 75% of the deaths in NY are seniors. That’s at least partly on him. Infuriating!
@Canis Arktos, In case I didn’t mention it... his political sponsors included medical groups that house and care for seniors.
@Canis Arktos, they’re all bought and paid for to some degree, some just more than others. I wasn’t a die hard Bruce Rauner supporter, but the man stuck to his guns on a balanced budget.
I can’t speak to Cuomo, because I’ve had my fill of my own dumpster fire of a governor that I’m pretty much burned out.
Because the top one was for stupid reasons and the other one is exposing that our police commit war crimes.
@hollow114, stupid reasons... arbitrary shut down of people livelihood. But I’m sure that’s stupid... 🖕🏾🖕🏿🖕🖕🏼
Let’s discuss your small businesses: any other time a small business fails, the economy says,”oh well they didn’t adapt to the market.” Any other time when someone can’t make ends meet,”well they shouldn’t expect a living wage for flipping burgers.” Why do people care now? Because politicians told them too, so their own profits and interests would be saved. Shady shady shady. I believe epidemiologists any day over political BS.
Downvote this, but the majority of Americans didn’t give a crap about each other living, getting adequate healthcare or small businesses. Ugly truth
I’m confused by your comment. If a store doesn’t make it in free market economy, then they weren’t going to make it. It’s not for the government to decide who does and does not succeed. It definitely isn’t for them to shut a business down because they’re not “essential” though.
And you believe which epidemiologists? They definitely do not all agree and have changed their stance so often that nobody actually knows anything.
What about the completely arbitrary determination of what constitutes an “essential business”? Why is Dunkin Donuts allowed to be open as an essential business but the local store selling stuff can’t be open? They sell the same thing as Walmart, but they aren’t essential?
@big freedom, Let’s not forget weed dispensaries, Illinois has had legal cannabis for a whopping 5 months and 15 days. In such a short amount of time, cannabis has gone from illegal to essential.
This is not a dig at anyone that uses, you do you.
(And before anyone tries to argue the length of time, we are currently in the sixth month, which means only 5 have been completed this calendar year.)
@big freedom, think PRE-COVID and POST-COVID. People didn’t care about the small businesses that failed BEFORE COVID. All of a sudden “OMG WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE BUSINESSES.” Of your business sucked or couldn’t adapt before, TOO BAD SO SAD. But when politicians wanted to open things up for the economy, they started using the “SMALL BUSINESS HELP AMERICA” to fuel some BE patriotism in people. The government didn’t care about living wages before COVID- but now apparently they care? It’s down to economics and profits for corporations. Why would scientists even lie about any of this? Why aren’t people in the US believing other Americans in the Northeast? Why don’t we believe other countries?
@SchroedingerPussPuss, not once did he say scientists are lying about COVID, he said that epidemiologists don’t agree even within their own circle. Dr. Fauci’s models have been wrong from the beginning, but that’s not because Fauci was lying to us, it’s because he didn’t know.
This is unprecedented but we are starting to learn. The vast majority of deaths due to Covid are people over the age of 65. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
We also know that pre-existing conditions affect how COVID affects a person.
However instead of using this information to intelligently combat the disease and allow herd immunity to set in, we are told to cower and stop the spread. (Continued)
@XiozTaschez, in reality, though, this is counterproductive to the establishment of herd immunity.
Now, for whatever reason (inability to make the hard decision, not wanting to hurt feelings by singling out a demographic, blind hatred of Donald Trump and the perpetual need to be a contrarian to anything he says, take your pick?) we have governors arbitrarily shutting down business due to them being “non-essential”. Literally the government coming in and picking the winners and losers in this post COVID economy. Big brother is telling us to stay home because he knows better what is good for us. There is no freedom in this market.
@SchroedingerPussPuss, I’m still confused. Of course PEOPLE care about small businesses. Are you aware of the percentage of jobs that are small business? ~85% of ALL JOBS.
Do you not get the difference between free market economy, where a business here or there doesn’t make it - vs - arbitrary shut down of all business that some functionary bureaucrat determines isn’t “essential” (again, Dunkin Donuts is “essential” so any argument about essential is flawed) therefore ruining millions of peoples ability to earn an income.
All while following INCREDIBLY FLAWED projection models, ALL OF WHICH have proven to be completely wrong.
How is any of this even remotely controversial to you? Are you so married to an ideology that you are unable to see reality?
Wanting to be treated equal is more important than wanting a haircut
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, one person makes a poor joke and it defines the whole movement. Several people call for the deaths of cops, kills cops, calls for killing whity, kills whity and they're defined as a peaceful movement. You want equality start here.
@That one lurker, bro, you're not fitting the narrative, get out of here with your fancy facts and logic.
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, no, you sanctimonious fûcking twat. They are pissed because their businesses were shut down, completely arbitrarily.
All you àssholes that think it’s about Karen wanting to get a haircut... it’s about the salon owner, and the stylist, they have to earn a living too. But their menial jobs are so beneath the ivory tower Fkn media and celebrities, aren’t they. They aren’t “essential” which is a complete bûllshît term. Dunkin effinf donuts is “essential”.
@That one lurker, same as with feminists they want equality but they really don’t they want only the good parts but they don’t want the bad parts so that’s not equality not only that but blacks want to treat whites the way they say they hated being treated and women wanna treat men the way they say they hated being treated again that’s not equality that’s dominance and you’re just trying to become what you’re fighting against which makes no sense if u want White ppl to stop being racist towards u then maybe u should stop being racist if women wanna be equal to men then maybe they should stop stealing everything they can get their hands on in a divorce that would be a good start
@bobbylupo, nah dude you don't get it. You see the parties switched, all the racists in the dems went to the reps. That's why the dem cities are filled with racist cops that corral the wage slaves on to the plantations. Making them poor and dependent on a bunch of rich white dudes, who in act racist policies. All while they blame the reps, just cause they think their chattel is just that dumb.
I understand the hypocrisy, BUT is it not also hypocritical that when police see dumbasses with guns demanding to open everything up and don't care if people die from the virus, even going as far as threatening government officials with violence, cops show restraint. Then when protesters demanded that cops be held accountable and demilitarized, they get: tear-gased, shot with rubber bullets (which can still kill you), and unjustly arrested for either not being home 30mins before their imposed curfew or just being in their way. Is the media hypothetical for "forgetting" Covid-19 still exists, yes. Is it hypocritical that police won't arrest gun touting loonies who threaten the community, but foam at the teeth when people peacefully want them to be accountable, also yes.
@HappyBandit7, you are an idiot. You cannot change my mind. You have no clue at all what the “other side” is thinking! Ever even attempt to have compassion for someone who sees things differently than you? Nope. But I’m sure you consider yourself to be “open minded” and “enlightened” don’t you.
Here’s a hint. You’re neither. You’re a narrow minded, hypocrite, with a very narrow worldview.
@HappyBandit7, while I see your points, I think the difference is that the "dumbasses with guns" weren't actually dumb enough to act violently and had a legal permit to protest in those areas beforehand while the others were illegally gathering and rioting.
@big freedom, That’s gonna be a yikes from me.
“Ever attempt to have compassion for someone who sees things differently than you?”
big freedom when he’s confronting someone who “sees things differently” than him:
“You are an idiot. You cannot change my mind. You’re a narrow minded hypocrite, with a very narrow worldview.”
@airguitarpro, correct. He expressed his narrow point of view. It was completely devoid of any attempt to see things from a different perspective. I’ve looked at both sides of the protests and have compassion for both sides and understanding for why people feel the way they do. When someone is so closed minded and biased, Imma call them out on it. We need to hold people accountable for what they say and what they do. Idiots say idiotic things. Sorry, not sorry, at all.
Just remember the people saying “all lives matter” right now we’re ready to sacrifice their grandparents to save the economy a few short weeks ago.
@Bonnarfarm, I don't think anyone ever suggested that we "sacrifice" the old people, we wanted stuff to start opening back up because people need to work, people need money to survive, we don't live in some fantasy land full of unicorns, roses, and free stuff.
@Bonnarfarm, theres this cartoon on youtube, its by a right libertarian dude, the things called freedom toons. He makes episodes taking the straw man arguments from both sides and portraying them in a cartoonish way. He has done an episode on Coronavirus and it may be some of the greatest bits of comedy I've ever seen.
Your comment just reminded me of it, nothing more.
@Bonnarfarm, sigh. Can I sacrifice you? You are too stupid to be taking up valuable natural resources.
Top picture literally shows people flaunting guns, but sure its soooooo peaceful
@mihonoko, speak softly and carry a big stick. - Theodore Roosevelt
@mihonoko, people walking with guns are typically the most peaceful protests. Maybe you need to open up an little out of your narrow minded perspective.... hmmm? Maybe just a bit...?
@big freedom, they literally stormed the capatol building, if something like that happened in another country we would be calling it an insurrection. Its not being narrow minded, its pointing out that they showed up without even the PRETENSE of being peaceful, but the police stood back and let them do whatever they wanted, but other protests full of people kneeling or praying get sprayed with tear gas.
@mihonoko, wow. You really like to cherry pick the parts that fit your bias don’t you?
Look at all the rational well reasoned comments with loads of down votes, what a great community we have here. Glad to see there's no respite from people with absolutely horrible takes on political issues.
@Emperor Gaius Regius, horrible takes on political issues is subjective. I think a downvote is better than hostile name calling which most boards devolve to. I'd say most of the discourse has been positive. Just that some people disagree.
@Emperor Gaius Regius, this comment worked well after reading “sanctimonious fûcking twat” twice in a row
@Blue Shirted Guy, yeah. I wrote it for one, and then copied pasted for another. And I stand by it.
@Emperor Gaius Regius, well if they disagree with you they must be horrible ammiright. It’s imperative that you hate the “other side” and always defend “your side”. Never look for anything that does not confirm your bias!
@big freedom, i could care less if you say it haha. That doesn’t make it a well reasoned comment, which is how it correlated with what I was responding to.
Also, now seeing your reply to Emperor, you do realize you do that all the time right? Plus, I have no idea how you can simultaneously call people twats and assume Emperor is only insulting people cause he disagrees with them.
@Blue Shirted Guy, some people are twats. I love to have disagreements with people. It makes me examine and reevaluate my thoughts. It’s wonderful to be able to disagree and come to understanding. Some people are so locked into an ideology that it completely trumps their ability to reason. Those people are twats, or cunts, or whatever else We call them. If this hits a little close to home... then maybe you’re on of them too.
@big freedom, you love it so much you made no attempt to do it whatsoever in any of your multiple comments on this post.
You didn’t understand me. Of course some people are twats, and some people are locked into an ideology. By insulting people before you have had that discussion you apparently love to have, you are being one of those people.
Emperor insults someone = he must be a twat locked into an ideology.
You insult someone (*before any attempt at a discussion*) = not this?
See the hypocrisy?
@big freedom, love love love how you’re immediately trying to lump me into the people you deem “locked into an ideology” so you can dismiss what I’m saying
@Blue Shirted Guy, I’ve read enough of your comments to have a pretty good idea where you stand.
I could be wrong.
@Blue Shirted Guy, yes I see the hypocrisy. But again, I’ve seen enough of the comments here to know there is absolutely no way to change his or your mind. So why bother? Insults do seem to get through tho, so that’s the one tool that works, may as well use it.
@big freedom, I used to comment much more frequently than I do now, and that was a good while ago. Even then, anything I was in was rarely heated outside a couple with Dr. Krieger, if you remember him. I normally don’t make many firm stances anyway, since I try to lead the conversation to a middle ground. So, legitimately not sure what you’ve read to make you think that, other than me being a little more liberal than you. If you ever see me address a political topic, give me a chance haha.
That’s fair, at least when it comes to people you definitely know you shouldn’t bother with. Main reason why I try to avoid that is for the other people reading the comments. If the 2 parties don’t resort to insults, at least each side is throwing out more rational discussion. Might be pointless for those 2, but outside parties might learn something, or re-think their position.
@Blue Shirted Guy, last paragraph I agree, totally.
I’m curious as to what you mean by “more liberal” than me. What does that mean in your eyes? Is it being progressive? I’m a classical liberal. Root word liberty. I don’t want the government in charge of anything outside of their constitutional charter.
The modern “liberal” or progressive seems to want the government in charge of just about everything.
Curious as to your views on that.
@big freedom, Aghhh my comment didn’t send. I’ll try again. I don’t know how I’d label my views. I am more progressive yes, but I don’t identify with the lefty loons. I’m definitely not a classical liberal though.
I guess a tame modern liberal haha. Socially, I’m someone who strongly agrees with the protests, and then facepalms harder than anyone when people say to abolish the police or that thing with white people kneeling.
I think the government has a role beyond just their constitutional charter. There needs to be some level of intervention, but like you said, that level is becoming more and more extreme. So, I’d say my overall position is banging my head against a wall 24/7
@Blue Shirted Guy, see that’s where I get confused. How can someone like you, who I assume really doesn’t like Trump, wish for more government intervention in people’s lives? After all the banging head on wall, to not want the giant federal bureaucracies to have as little as possible daily interactions with the people... I simply cannot understand that mindset.
I mean, I grew up in a very liberal household. After having lived in the real world and seeing how incredibly bad they are (at best) to incredibly evil they can be... I agree that they should exist but only to the smallest possible, functional level.
We get SO wrapped up in president this, and congress that, that we completely ignore our local politics- which have WAY more impact on our lives.
It honestly confuses me and makes me sad that people don’t see the reality of it. Instead they insist, my team good, other team evil. Even when their team does the EXACT same thing, every other term.
@big freedom, not ignoring this, it’s been a crazy week! Will be back to it
@big freedom, woo man sorry I’ve barely been on the app, crazy busy lately. I don’t think there’s a perfect answer to that, as it’s very dependent on what the government is trying to accomplish. I know that’s a cop out answer, but there’s so much nuance in my opinion that I couldn’t carry on that conversation through this.
I completely agree with you though about the importance of local politics. It’s such a shame how little people pay attention to the bottom of the ballot. What confuses me though, as I said in my other comments, is how you say things like “how incredibly evil [liberals] can be” and then immediately try to separate yourself from people with that mindset with “they insist my team good, other team evil.”
For the record, I've attended both. And they're for the same reason. Liberty and freedom of an oppressive system.
F*ck black lives