Why should I listen to and respect the opinion of people who have repeatedly proven themselves to be liars and manipulators?
That's how you get taken advantage of.
The “authorities” don’t always do what’s in your best interest as history has proven time and time again.
@Jolee Bindo, one my ex wife lied to me a certain amount of times, I was considered an idiot if I trusted her.
@Jolee Bindo, the meme's point stands
@Lying Cat, it’s a point that didn’t need to be made because nobody actually thinks this way. We all know who they’re referring to.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but believing everything the government says isn’t “thinking for yourself.”
"authorities" is a subjective term
@Oh so cherry, not really. They literally make the laws.
@I am Levi, no….. by definition they are supposed to carry out the already established laws. Which they fail to do.
@Child Slapper, dude the government makes laws. They don't just sit on already existing laws. You can be salty all you want, it won't change the fact that the government is in charge of your life in more ways than you would ever hope to admit.
Legally they have no obligation to ensure the safety of the public
I'm a free thinker, just like everyone else in my echo chamber
Just ask the Tuskegee victims.
@sabot humper, that's gonna be an oof from me dawg
I always research for myself, but with how much stuff there is you can't always do a fully cited paper on each topic. So as a rule I assume the government is lying and going against what's best, then research more in depth when I can. The rule is yet to be proven wrong when I do more research......even for the things I thought were "good" deeds by the government.
let's go Brandon!
Yea, so listen to Twitter users instead *eyeroll*
I just want to remind everyone there was a time when the So called “experts” said asbestos and Heroine where safe and wouldn’t kill or harm you.
It is a good start though
No but neither is just uncritically believing anything someone with a position of authority says or because they said the "science" supported them.
I always do my own research, and as a rule I've found anything a government does is against the people it serves...
@butternut squash, not trying to put you down, i just genuinely want to know. We're obviously all thinking of the same thing, vaccines. What is the government's incentive to funding and rolling out a vaccine that is ineffective/ dangerous? Its not money, they lost money funding it and the vaccine is free to recipients. There's no tracking chips, any google search will tell you thats absurd. The most common one i hear is "they're taking steps to control you." I was the same person i was before i went to a gym and got a needle in my arm. I really, honestly, want to know what you or other vaccine doubters think the government gets out of distributing a faulty free medicine to people like me.
@Doctor Walrus, power. Control.
What’s truly insidious about this gigantic social dog turd is how the pro-vaxxers/government has acted in bad faith. There are is an incredibly high complication rate with these vaccines. Sure, the actual number of incidents relative to the population is low, but that’s true of the disease as well.
To compound this issue, the vaccine protects the vaccinated. If you’re not vaccinated, you’re not putting vaccinated people at risk!
Furthermore, these are the vaccines that were developed during the Trump administration, go back and listen to what Biden and Harris had to say about the vaccine when Trump was in office. They are literally mandating a vaccine they said they would not take.
The vast majority of people who are hesitant don’t think there’s microchips in the vaccine. They’re leery of putting a drug in their body whose creator has secured blanket: legal immunity from any unforeseen consequences. If that doesn’t give you pause…
@Doctor Walrus, Money. They didn't lose money because they are using our money (taxes) to pay their friends in the pharmaceutical companies to manufacture the vaccine (they don't make them for free) Their friends in pharmaceutical companies make billions and then kick a few million back to them. So ...Money. also power and control but definitely money
@glewis007, im confused. You're right, they used our taxes to fund the pharmaceutical companies to manufacture the vaccine- so the pharmaComps profit from its conception. But they make no money rolling it out. It's provided to every US citizen for free. Our tax dollars were put into vaccine development, and they're not coming back. Sure the pharma companies could kick some dollars back to the treasury, but ultimately money was lost developing this vaccine, and they're not gonna make it back off a free drug.
@Hot Coffee, you said the complication rate was incredibly high, and then compared it to the rate of partial-recovery/death of covid, which you insinuate is low. So that has me confused, especially since complications are actually extremely rare if you do some research. "If you're not vaccinated, you're not putting vaccinated people at risk." Yeah, thats how a vaccine works. What about the people who wish they could get this vaccine but cant? People undergoing chemotherapy, HIV treatment, or any of the plethora of complications that cause immunodeficiency problems CANT get the vaccine, and covid almost certainly will kill them.
As for what biden said, fvck him. He wasnt a doctor in the trump administration and he isnt now. Trump funded researchers and scientists to develop a cure and they did it, and for some reason this has become a political issue.
@Doctor Walrus, “do some research”…
You know what? Your ignorance is astounding, but short of going to medical school and finishing residency, I have given up on expecting every day folks from understanding anything related to medicine unless it’s a medical condition that affects them personally.
You don’t understand how respiratory virus vaccinations work, but I’m not going to hold that against you, you’ve been lied to by our government for political reasons.
You also don’t have access to the medical research because it is behind ridiculously expensive paywalls, so you have to rely on second hand sources for your “research”, which typically isn’t really a problem, except now this is a purely political issue and those second hand sources have an irrational hatred for anyone not in their tribe.
Anyone who points out the inconsistency and inaccuracies of the official narrative is branded a conspiracy theorist and science denier.
@Doctor Walrus, none of this really matters anymore, the deed is done.
A point of clarification, just to address your confusion. The complication rate for these vaccines is incredibly high relative to the normally acceptable complication rate for vaccines. I erroneously assumed it would be clear that I was comparing the complication rate for the COVID19 vaccine to other vaccines. Apologies for not being more explicit.
Anyhow, it seems clear that you have picked a side. Yay. Have fun with your enslavement. It just sucks you’re sinking the whole ship with you.
@Doctor Walrus, Bush allowed 9/11 to happen
@Doctor Walrus, you are quick to advise others to do some research but seem to be slow to perform your own. The vaccine is only free to the American people because the government buys it from the pharmaceutical companies (with our tax dollars). A quick Google search will show you the pharmaceutical companies do in fact charge for each dose of their respective covid vaccines. Phizer will enjoy a 10 to 15 billion boost for the fiscal year 2021 from vaccine sales. Moderna boasts a 19.2 billion Dollar boost from vaccine sales. Johnson and Johnson expect 2.5 billion from vaccine sales. The things the government 'gives' to the people are never truly free.
@Hot Coffee, sorry i'm necroing, funnypics didnt send me notifications. I'd be glad to look into the primary sources if it werent for that paywall. To be clear I would never rely on cnn/fox/msnbc etc. I wasnt aware that the CDC's information was so far off from the actual results of experimentation. I genuinely would love to see those results
@glewis007, No that makes perfect sense. Of course the pharma companies are making money, otherwise they wouldnt have developed anything. I'm speaking purely from the perspective of the american government - the one that is supposedly benefitting from providing broken and harmful vaccines and encouraging people to take them in the name of safety. What do the politicians on top gain from a sickened people? Is it really just that they dont know better or is there some malicious goal here?
@Hot Coffee, oh and thanks for the comment, because im pretty sure you're sinking the ship. Isnt that what we're here for? To find out what's right here because im starting to have doubts
@Doctor Walrus, look up the FDA criteria for ending vaccine trials.
@Doctor Walrus, how is advocating for freedom sinking the ship? Please explain.
People advocating for controlling other people’s private lives by compelling action are actively calling for the dismantling of free society.
@Hot Coffee, One side is certain they're fighting for freedom, the other is certain they're fighting for public health. I've been having doubts about the safety of the vaccine SOLELY based on the incredible population of the country that is against them. I'm really not trying to put you down, i'm trying to better understand. I took a look at some of the primary sources for pfizer trials. No serious adverse effects reported. As for FDA vaccine criteria, wasn't that bypassed by emergency use authorization?
@Doctor Walrus, There’s been hundreds of deaths due to the vaccine with non-fatal reactions including myocarditis, stroke and amputations due to blood clotting, and autoimmune disease flares are the most common.
As far as the Pfizer reporting no adverse effects, what do you think about police departments and banks reporting internal investigations turned up nothing to be worried about.
The fact that they waved the FDA restrictions is all the proof you need that there’s something rotten going on. Pfizer was given the opportunity to save billions and a decade or more of time on necessary safety measures in developing this vaccine and they have total legal immunity to any potential fallout.
When COVID19 became political, any hope of a reasonable discussion or good science died. If we’re lucky it’ll be 2 or 3 decades before the full scope of what went on with this. If we’re not lucky, we’re going to see a lot of dead people who wouldn’t otherwise have died in the next 10 years.
@Hot Coffee, thats actually really interesting. I never knew that. Where do you find that kind of information? Googling it obviously just yields hundreds of results advocating for the vaccine, I just wanna know where I can find the real numbers
@Doctor Walrus, kickbacks from their friends in the pharmaceutical companies. Politicians push the vaccines which helps the pharmaceutical companies and the pharmaceutical companies kick millions back to the politicians as a reward for their help. In fact some of the people in politics don't need friends because they are directly linked to the pharmaceutical companies. i.e. Fouchi
@Doctor Walrus, I’m going to get the refs, the please reply so I don’t lose this thread, otherwise I will have to post randomly until you see it. It’ll probably take about a week or so for me to track it down
@Hot Coffee, hey sorry i didnt see this. I'm eager to see your response :)
Neither is automatically believing the exact opposite of what rebels/heretics say. *wink*
I dont know who needs to hear this but, just because a majority of people go against what authorities say, doesnt mean they dont think for themselves…
@MMSieBreeze, the point isn't about go against, its about automatically believing they're wrong instead of using the brain to do the brain thing
@MMSieBreeze, The world isn’t good and evil anymore it’s those that follow the rules and those that don’t.
@Diskum, so, believing the authorities just because they say something *is* doing a brain thing?
You realize the authorities are put in place by people who had to convince 50% + 1 of people that they’re the right ones for the job? You do realize that 50% of people are of below average intelligence, right?
Your faith in authority is concerning. A bit so skepticism is healthy.
@Hot Coffee, that's the point theyre trying to make. The post and what they're saying is "automatically believe the opposite", not "practice critical thinking". There's a difference between "I've been told not to do this. Let me think about why, and what could happens if I do/don't" vs "I've been told not to do this. I'm going to do it because they said I shouldn't without thinking any more about it."
@BrenadryI, I agree with your statement , but irrespective their intent, they basically are advocating for what they’re purporting to ridicule. There’s functionally no difference between people who blindly accept or reject a given source of information. It just becomes the division of which side of the bread you butter.
@Hot Coffee, I've never heard that euphemism "which side of the bread you butter" mind if I steal that... too late im stealing that.
@Hesediel, I stole it myself. Dr. Seuss and the butter battle book, though the idea is older than that.
I usually like to go by the phrase "trust, but verifty" but when I've been lied to in the past, and I can't verify, I tend to go with the choice that I can go back on. (In the case of a vaccine, if I find information that makes me comfortable with it I can always go back and get it, one can't simply un-inject something into their body.)
Yeah, but when the “authorities” are wrong about damn near everything for two years running, it’s better than continuing to swallow their BS like a clown
No, automatically believing the opposite of what authorities say IS thinking for yourself.
This is precisely my opinion, except with less stupid bubbles.
@Myredhulk, All the bubbles. But really, I'd prefer they weren't there....