Gonna be exciting
Well I’m eating a bullet before I get trampled
@megamanx181x, I dunno I think we can take 'em
@Nekozombie, take em where? To the bathroom because we're terrible?
@ Mr Cuymenq, I thought some nice Italian
@Nekozombie, five layer lasagna and tiramisu sounds nice with a nice red wine
@megamanx181x, our gun tech vastly surpasses that of the story. America would be fine.
@ThePandaPool , shvt that’s right, the manga literally states that large guns greatly balance this out
So....titan rumbling what?
@Blackfrost273, rumbling is what it’s called when they’re released
@Ray213, I loved season 1 but haven't been able to see the season 2 at all
@Blackfrost273, ohh this is in the current manga so season 4
I really think that the world of attack on titan, while interesting in an older world with modern elements fantasy setting, would be sorely outmatched by even Soviet Era military tech. Like I fail to see what they could do against a single attack helicopter, let alone bombs, missiles, artillery, tanks, or close air support.
@thrawnfett, I think it depends on the destructive force of our modern weapons compared to those they use in the show rather than depending on the specific level of technology. And remember that their main and possibly only meaningful way of harming titans involves super sharp blades that have to be both vibrated and heated to give them enough power to slice the weakest point on a titan, and that due to how sharp the blades need to be are useless the moment the blades start to dull.
@Your Waifu, fair point however I would point out that the sharpest and best even ultrasonic blades for surgeries cannot go through steel. An AT4 anti tank rocket can penetrate the equivalent of over a foot thick of steel. Most individual platoons in a US Army unit will have several of these rockets. Assuming anything less than a 50 cal (also something most platoons will have) for small arms will be useless and the 50 itself not super effective, initial casualties will still probably be high. Until things like the A-10 gets involved, that has 3 inches of penetration on steel for its armor piercing incendiary rounds, ironically with an 80% hit rate on a 40 foot (or titan sized) object. This is where the modern world just starts slamming them. Sadly for the AOT world, modern warfare is a game of penetration. Both of those are Cold War era tech too, this isn't counting the more modern tanks at 45mph still landing hits on a neck at a mile out with rounds that can cut through feet of steel.
@thrawnfett, this is all true and very valuable information, but its worth thinking about how sustainable those kinds of weapons are. Specifically, how easily and cheaply can the ammo for those weapons be made before you start losing the level of penetration necessary to kill a single titan? Because in this hypothetical apocalypse, there'd probably be somewhere between hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of titans, and I'm willing to bet only so many countries have access to that weaponry and that even among those countries many probably don't have nearly enough to defend anything more than a handful of cities.
Another thing worth considering is the presence of abnormal and/or intelligent titans. What could be done about titans as tough as the armored titan, as strong as the colossal titan, or as intelligent as the beast titan?
@Your Waifu, I only read the manga for a bit, but weren't the cannons on the walls able to kill normal titans, and enough musket fire able to do the trick too?
@ThePandaPool , it depended very heavily on where it hit them, mainly because the titans only die when their neck is severed. If I remember correctly the cannons were more for driving them back and incapacitating them than actually killing them, though a lucky shot could probably kill one. Muskets can kill them, but only with concentrated fire and only if it hits that one fatal weakpoint.
@Your Waifu, by that logic modern firearms would wreck normal ones easily, and stand a chance against the irregulars.
@ThePandaPool , the issue is that as thrawnfett explained, the only way to reliably "wreck" titans with firearms is with weaponry that's actually designed for piercing armor, and as I pointed out there's not necessarily an infinite supply of weapons that powerful or the ammo for them, and any titans stronger than the norm become a serious issue. A point that actually hasn't been brought up yet that also harms the effectiveness of weaponry is the boiling curtain of steam the titans are constantly letting off, which would definitely harm the effectiveness of the majority of weapons.
@Your Waifu, yes but no. He went big with the weapons, but I'd like to point out how small it really needs to be. An ultra sharp hot vibrating blade would take a nasty nick out of a half inch plate steel, while a WWII armor piercing 30-06 would easily penetrate it and keep going. Everyone knows that the AR 15 is the most common rifle in the US. Not everyone knows that the second most common one is the M1Garand which fires said round semi auto. Along with tremendous amounts of bolt action hunting rifles throughout the country. Not to mention all of the Mosin Negants and the like that are cheap, common, and penetrate like a SOB. A small militia could absolutely handle tons of normal titans after tactics are discovered and common knowledge. Again though, irregulars are totally different stories. What thrawnfett had mentioned would need to be tasked with hunting them down and destroying them.
@Your Waifu, based on current inventory of what we would consider "bare minimum" to kill, aka concentrated 50cal or higher, then we're probably talking over a half billion titans being easily killable with what exists as of now. Most of that already in the US. This isn't counting shifting surviving global production to a wartime economy, things like the Russian reactivation of old Soviet assets (which would be well suited to anti titan combat, and with an expected 10% restoration rate, so thousands of tanks and artillery) to arm Europe in a war of extinction, and the hyper focus on "titan killers" like finding out something like an AT4 can one shot them then massproducing those. We also wouldn't have the disadvantage of being trapped in one isolated area, thanks to vehicles not getting tired and an initially at least partially effective fighting force, we would be able to gather resources and hold areas through resupply the AOT humans couldn't hope to ever keep hold of
@thrawnfett, the big question then would be how would you deal with abnormal titans that have better natural armor, higher strength, or even intelligence? Especially when the ones with intelligence can command otherwise mindless titans and use actual tactics. The other big question is what countries would have the manpower to sustain more than couple cities after the initial casualties, since there's no way the initial casualties wouldn't wipe out an absurd amount of the world's population.
@ThePandaPool , The issue becomes that we can't just look at the US alone, and have to look at the world as a whole. I totally believe the US has enough weapons strong enough to pierce most parts of a normal titans body to defend most of its key cities. I don't believe that many other countries do, as most countries don't allow citizens to have guns and therefore don't mass produce guns in the same way the US does. It's also worth noting that if either Mexico or Canada were to fall, the US would then be dealing with many of the titans from those countries in addition to its own. Other important questions would be things like how many titans there are in total across the world. Are there hundreds of thousands, millions, or hundreds of millions? How common are abnormal titans, and among those how common are the ones with intelligence? Because the ones with intelligence can command other titans and use tactics, which makes them an infinitely larger problem than anything else.
@Your Waifu, I was actually also taking the steam into account, which is why I stuck with 50Cal and above despite feeling lower may still work. The problem for the titans is we're talking about stuff that global militaries stockpile by the tens of millions, hundreds when getting down to some of them. There are tens of thousands of missiles as well that would be of sufficient armor piercing capability. Hundred of thousands of tank rounds. Millions of artillery shells. And thats just what we store in case of emergencies. Specials would of course require disproportionate resources to target, but I don't thing they could stop say a 16inch naval battery to the face, and we fire those 27 miles from any coast where most humans already live near
@Your Waifu, the key problem I really feel any specials face though is that they have no real ranged combat options, while modern humans have practically infinite ones comparatively. While a lot of the world would be devastated, there would be enclaves in many places. In the west, US military bases that we tend to put in all our Allied would likely become key hubs to rally their remaining citizens and militaries. We would be able to resupply most by air, and raid the fallen ones by helicopter and air. Countries like Russia, Iran, Cuba, North Korea, former Eastern Bloc Nations, and other highly militaristic to lower population areas would also likely do well outside the US. Island nations like Japan and the UK would also likely fare decently well. The US would likely be one of the best and worst suited for it honestly given our large land and decently high population density but extreme availability of military grade firepower.
@thrawnfett, technically they have plenty of ranged combat options as long as there's trees, boulders, or any other heavy object nearby. Remember, Titans have crazy strength, so it would take them almost no effort to use those as weapons, and no matter how crude it may be a giant boulder hurtling toward you is still going to be dangerous. It's also worth noting that some of them have bizarrely high speed, to the point where it's not unrealistic that some may be able to run right up to things like armored vehicles and crush them or peel them open through sheer brute strength. Everything else you've said makes perfect sense though, and does paint a bleak but generally optimistic picture of how such an apocalypse would go. My only other big question would be, where do the titans come from? Because depending on if it's the same as in the show or not, that could change things significantly.
@Your Waifu, other than some of the specials I don't consider many of the other titans to have the dexterity to actually accurately throw them to be sufficient to combat stuff like tanks at a mile, or helicopters firing self guided missiles. Even against a platoon of close in infantry there will be to many targets to actively destroy them all before likely falling. And while I don't doubt some of them can defeat tanks, the majority likely won't be able to easily, certainly not before they have been hit by something on the field. While they technically have ranged options, militarily I don't consider them really very valid ones. I mean we would globally certainly have to measure casualties in the billions in the worst cases. But world wide humanity would likely prevail, and likely inside of a decade. Also, I can't really think of a country that it makes sense for them to turn from. Globally we are a much less centralized world than the AOT one, so there's no ground zero to spread from
@Your Waifu, wow there is a lot in this thread. Lol
So to get rid of the irregulars everything would be from the air, with AC130s and the like. Pretty sure even the intelligent ones cant hide underground. This isnt a matter of finding a needle in a haystack, and would be easily taken down. It would take an over the top strong and specialized irregular to take one of those things down.
Rest of the world, idk. I would think that china would take tremendously heavy losses but be successful because of sheer number of equipped soldiers. Russia would probably be somewhere between that and how the US turns out.
Europe would be no more. They would be wiped out before the US even had themselves under control.
@Your Waifu, and thrawnfett made a point I forgot about. Naval military tech is mindblowing. Unless titans can do some cool underwater stuff that they can peel open the hull of a ship, that would be the end of it.
@ThePandaPool , honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they could, but since the show never goes anywhere near large bodies of water it never comes up, so that would be going into the world of headcanon. It certainly would be an interesting thing to explore if the author ever did a spin off or sequel set in the future of that world, at the very least.
@Your Waifu, I both love and hate the idea of a spinoff like that, because the world as is is one of the things that makes it so great.
@ThePandaPool , completely agree, and I'd much rather the author make something new than revisit AoT, but if they did choose to revisit it it'd be interesting to learn more about the world outside the main city and its immediate surroundings, and to see just how far the limits of titan and human adaptability can go.
@Your Waifu, oh. Like pockets of scavengers, or people surviving in hard to reach areas? That may actually be pretty good. It would just be survival/horror, but a total genre change might may it work.
@ThePandaPool , the reason I deliberately left China of the list is three fold. First because for a decently armed power overall, they actually don't trust their armed forces enough to arm and equip them. Two their geography is basically a giant bowl leading to their population centers while their military is scattered. Three their population is so massive compared to their military that in the panic of literally man eating giants I don't expect them to be able to actually maintain control, especially since given their initial military outlook meaning that the only realistic plan would be to sacrifice entire cities to distract and buy time to rearrange and mobilize their military. India is in a similar boat, though they have higher trust in their military and less land with more mountains proportionally. The countries would "survive" in the sense they would still likely have populations, but especially for China it likely wouldn't be with their current governments intact.
@Your Waifu, as far as naval goes, they could likely damage things like destroyers or even aircraft carriers with their thinner hulls and armor, but I doubt they could do anything but maybe move the ship against a battleship or heavy cruiser, especially in the water where they will be fighting their own steam covering and the resistance of the water. This isn't accounting for even if they can swim with their steam which would limit them to shallows, and the fact that they will be making massive easily identifiable clouds every time they step in. This is a huge advantage for modern humanity given how close to the coast we like to be and that the bulk of trade goes through naval ports. The Anti Titan plan I see shaping up would probably be people evacuating to ports, with a massive refit operation to get as many mothballed ships into operation as quickly as possible. Old aircraft carriers will probably be given helicopters, destroyers parked up every river as deep as they can go, etc
imagine if all the human statues in the world suddenly came to life and went on rampage