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The biggest thing is instituting proper training and protocols for them that’s it and making sure if they take up the oath it’s to protect and serve
@Ray213, and a separate entity to investigate crime involving the police, instead of, you know, the police.
@I grade all memes, that too as far as a division making sure that all precincts and officers are up to code and have proper and current training
@Ray213, also putting some of the police budget into other services that the police are currently being asked to do, but shouldn't have to. Like animal control for one
@Ray213, nah nah nah you see we have to abolish the police. Law and order is a western colonialist idea that oppresses minorities.
@I grade all memes, they do.
@I grade all memes, In the end, all anyone wants is accountability
@I grade all memes, it works for the military, and I think technically the fbi and cia do it for each other, so the fact that regular police don't have something like this by now is baffling.
@I grade all memes, also a form of registry/certification for police so that those that are fired for misconduct can't just go get hired elsewhere
@I grade all memes, you mean like internal affairs? I'm dont know much in depth but I'm pretty sure they're separated from the police and ita their job to do just that. They just dont go to the press with every problem.
@Ray213, they seem to have forgotten the whole protect and serve thing along with the courtesy professionalism and respect most cops seem to focus on intimidate and fück up your day
@Miss Leading, woah u want the police to not abuse their power and be held accountable that’s asking a lot buddy what do u think we live in a society or something
@spongeblade, no internal work affairs is part of the police force hence the name
@bobbylupo, okay... So I'm a deputy sheriff in CA. I have yet to find a cop who thinks what happened in Minnesota was okay or that the officer should not be charged criminally. Cops, for the most part (at least here) hold each other accountable because incidents like this make it harder for all of us to do our job as peace officers. And because we do want to protect and serve the people.
As far as accountability, it needs to go both ways. I responded to a 911 call about a guy causing a disturbance at his baby-mama's and the call said he was known to carry guns. As my partners and I approached, I told him to keep his hands up where I could see them and to step towards me so we could figure out what was going on. He immediately started yelling FTP and reached under his shirt to his front waistband. He almost got himself shot, but we managed to grab him before he could bring his hands back out. Idiot had no gun on him. Just didn't want to go with the program.
@Ray213, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
@RogueKnight, most of the shooting happen because the idiot causing the ruckas escalated. And before all the cry babies start, im not talking about George Floyd.
@I grade all memes, internal affairs?
@I grade all memes, I've had to collect evidence and testify in court against officers before. I understand why people wouldn't expect internal affairs to do a good job, but they really do. At least in my department, anyways
@mycatsanahole, agreed. And the cop has to make a split second decision on something the other individual decided to pick a fight about it's difficult to make those split second decisions, no matter how much training or experience you have. For example, you're just not going to be able to tell if it is a gun or a phone in the dark.
And George Floyd incident, while I don't think it was intentional, was shoddy training maybe, grossly negligent officer definitely. In CA, we are trained to constantly assess what we are doing and determine if it is still the right thing to do. If that officer had been assessing correctly, Mr. Floyd would still be alive, I think.
@jouze, some precincts do this. It should be absolutely mandatory for all them them to have shared database.
@big freedom, for 2 reasons. 1. Bad cops that got fired for being shjtbags. 2. For finding shjtbag criminals easier. For most criminals, avoiding incarceration is as easy as moving states and not coming back. "Easy" being a loaded term but still. Having a shared database of convicted criminals and open cases would probably help a lot of other precincts and citizens and help solve a lot of open cases.
More like have all the upper class hire private security guards, gated communities becoming more regular than it already is, destroying the middle class and having a larger class divide between rich/poor, and rampant destruction of major cities
@ptitty1231, I think it’d be more proper to go for demilitarization. Police don’t need military equipment.
@Cloverleaf, what is military equipment? Do they have mortars or rocket batteries on hand, or do they have arms? I have honestly not seen a tank or a saw be deployed. So what is military equipment?
@That one lurker, if you google ‘militarization of police’, The Wikipedia article goes over it rather well. I’d link but I think stuckpixel disallows direct linkage.
@That one lurker, they let some police departments buy old armored transport vehicles for swat teams and people got upset
@Richard Cypher, it’s far more than just transport vehicles.
@Cloverleaf, I went ahead and looked up watch you suggested. It's literally a catch-all term that describes police adapting for the times. The militarization equipment being non-lethal, except in extreme cases. Like if some one jumped on a flash bang. For the most part the only thing I have a problem with here is that it's so safe cops would use it more. Rubber bullets on the body for instance wouldn't kill so they may be more inclined to use them.
So is your arguments that cop should become more lethal, or stop being the arbiters of force. The literal definition of their job.
@That one lurker, I argue that we need reform. You saw it as a catch all term, but a police department is not a military force. Giving them access to all kinds of military equipment instead of them being trained to properly handle scenarios is not the way to go. The end result is that we’re pumping so much funding into police and military we’re not getting to the core of what’s causing the unrest and crime in the first place.
@Cloverleaf, so, what was the argument about spending more money than schools that are failing? If they're doing so bad with so little money then I couldn't think how they'd do if we took money away.
Officers need training, some of the "military equipment", is reimbursment from the army. And yet again this "military equipment" is non lethal gear.
So how it sounds. You're wanting cops to be less trained to handle stressful situations, and for them to have a no non-lethal options. No tasers, no flash bangs, no rubber bullets.
I'd like you to sit and think a bit about that. You agreed with reform then said defund and remove non lethal equipment. Your logic is not consistent. Unless you want cops to kill more people.
@That one lurker, why are they wasting insane amounts on military surplus. Why do we have military surplus? You’re not seeing a big picture, and somehow I think you are not gonna.
@Cloverleaf, first off quit being millie mouth, and start using more precise language. It makes you come off like a sells men trying to off load a lemon.
Now that we're done insulting each other, we can get back to the discussion. We have one of the largest militaries on the planet. We protect the Pacific, the Atlantic, and the Arctic. We protect Europe from the majority of international conflicts. We have a fund in place called NATO, America is the only one that pays into it. Obama spent eight years pulling back on funds going into the military. Most of those funds was cut from maintenance. So the military sold it to the police. That's why they have APC, flash bangs, and better armor.
And I'm glad they did, cause it was found that surplus was being deliberately delivered Behind Enemy Lines. So either we got an armored car or Al Qaeda did.
@Cloverleaf, the police need to have access to anything that criminals may be able to get for example there was a shootout in LA years ago where 2 guys were covered in body armor and had military assault rifles with a ton of ammo and the cops had their sidearm and maybe some shotguns and these 2 guys had like an entire precinct outgunned because of their superior firepower and I’m pretty sure after that incident all police vehicles in that area r equipped with assault rifles
@That one lurker, y tf is America the only country paying into nato and y tf is America protecting Europe that always pissed me off y do we have to be the world police and give out money all over the place I always said until america is perfect we should stop being so concerned with the rest of the world and we r far from perfect. There r people starving all over the world so America tries to help feed them. That’s nice and all but there’s plenty of ppl starving in our own country how about we take care of our own citizens first. And instead of spending so much money on war how about we use that money to take care of our military veterans because the way the government does not take care of its vets is an embarrassment. Idk for a fact but it doesn’t seem like any other countries give financial or military support every time another country is in trouble so y should we have to
@bobbylupo, I agree a lot with what you're saying here. I can't vomit out the reasoning why with out sounding like a crackpot though. You'll need to find your own answers. I take my stuff from the daily wire specifically Shapiro, Knowles, and Klavan for my right wing commentary for current news. Tim Pool and his affiliates Timcast and Timcast IRL for left wing commentary for current news. Steven Crowder for right wing opinion, and Sargon of akkad for left to centrist opinion. I used to watch infowars cause Alex shows how amazing bellwether, if you watch him take him with a massive pinch of salt. I used to watch Stefen molyneux, but he dips too far into anarcho-capitalism for me. Inter mixed in all of them is four years worth of work and study I did to understand what I do. For a TLDW: Trump 2020.
@Cloverleaf, you ever ran into a building with an active shooter who is armed with a rifle and all you have is a pistol? You ever try to shoot a pistol 50 yards? It's not an all or nothing situation. Everything has it's time, place, and use.
@Cloverleaf, can you give us some examples of equipment you don't like police having?
The police just need to have proper accountability. They’re going to be far less likely to employ overwhelming force if they think there’s a legit chance they’ll be held responsible for it afterwards.
@I Are Lebo, exactly most regular ppl don’t commit crimes because we know that we’ll most likely go to jail but if we all could get away with murder (literally and figuratively) like the police do I guarantee everybody would be breaking laws like crazy
@I Are Lebo, Rand Paul introduced legislation to eliminate qualified immunity. That has allowed police to be above the law for too long which leads to aśsholes like Derek Chauvin killing a man in broad daylight and knowing that there wasn’t anyone that would stop him.
Police break the law, they get either “paid leave” or fired. They need to be persecuted the same as anyone else.
And for all the “we support police” people, who say “you can’t judge them unless you’ve walked in their shoes”. I reject that argument absolutely. Every public official has to be held accountable to the people. Otherwise we have tyranny.
Police are citizens, with a mandate to “uphold the constitution” which = protect the individual liberties of the people. Period. Full stop.
@big freedom, I completely agree. The standards running now are absolutely unacceptable.
I hate to advocate for vigilantism or violence, but if the police forces refuse to take accountability (which some seem to be), the only practical response is violence.
My ‘ideal’ solution in instances of tyranny from the police force is to have one individual citizen sacrifice themselves to remove the problem actor. If there’s a police officer that rapes a girl in his custody and isn’t punished for it, what would really benefit us as a society is to have someone murder that officer, and then immediately surrender themselves and take responsibility for it, including facing the punishment from the legal system.
If we can’t force these thugs with badges to be accountable legally for their actions, then they need to be removed from society, because they are an existential threat to our way of life.
I woke up today to a video on Reddit of police officers in Seattle ramming pedestrians with their bikes, and then violently arresting those same pedestrians for ‘assaulting a police officer’.
I am genuinely not opposed to the firebombing of police departments who house such thugs.
There was another incident in Chicago where a black woman cop intervened against a white male colleague who was employing an illegal chokehold against a suspect. She was fired and has lost her pension, he was put on paid leave and still has his pension.
It’s like these fückers actually WANT a civil war. It’s infuriating.
@I Are Lebo, so she did the right thing and lost her job and pension r u fücking serious? I know you’re not but I kinda hope you’re exaggerating cause that is fücking bullshït and u wonder y even the cops that aren’t bad don’t try to intervene when one of their fellow officers do something wrong cause first of all something like that can happen and even if it doesn’t they’ll look at u as a traitor and when u need back up it will definitely arrive too late. It’s like what happened with serpico the cops didn’t actually kill him but they made sure to be very slow backing him up so that if and when an unliked cop does get attacked or even shot they make sure u die b4 they get there. That really pisses me off that u just said that. This cop had the balls to do the right thing and look at what happened to her
@I Are Lebo, I firmly believe that the most dangerous gang in this country is law enforcement. They’re the most dangerous gang because they’re the only gang that is approved by the government... and yes I do believe they r a gang. And ask any ex con what is the most dangerous and feared gang in prison and they’ll all tell u it’s the guards
@bobbylupo, I wish I was exaggerating about it, but I’m not. I’d been arguing that we need to see cops intervening, but if this is how they’re treated by their own superior officers when they do, it’s a lose/lose situation for good cops.
But everyone shot each other in the back!
Curious on how abolishing the police is gonna go in Minneapolis. Who wants to bet on the death toll? Am i hearing 1000 dead? 10000? Or over a 100,000 Big odds big losses. Make your bets people you could win!
@CocoasBro, even if Minneapolis abolish their city police they can't get rid of their county sheriff, state patrol, or federal agencies. They will have both federal and state law enforcement policing the city that they failed to police themselves. That's why the mayor is against it.
@ Emco567, they wont have the resources to police such a large area with county sherifs, state a federal agencies i imagine.
@CocoasBro, maybe not now, but just wait until all hell breaks loose.
@ Emco567, i guess they can always call in the national gaurd.
@CocoasBro, there’s another aspect to the problem as well. According to a recent report, something like 80% of truckers are now refusing to drive into Minneapolis. The city is going to literally collapse in in itself now because of their idiotic approach.
@I Are Lebo, ill ask my dad about it. He drives to Minneapolis alot. See what he thinks.
@CocoasBro, I’m genuinely interested in finding that out.
I support the protesters
I think they should try a 30 day free trial of no police see how that goes.
Oh shït here we go again
Just nuke the earth and give us a mad max world
Dead cops: 40 something
People killed by cops: 1000+
Seems like we’re all risking our lives just to exist alongside the police
@ReverseGiraffe, lying with statistics.