@megamanx181x, welcome to 2020...
@megamanx181x, didn’t you know? Stupid is the new smart.
@Hot Coffee, ugh
@Hot Coffee, and insanity is reason
@megamanx181x, Tampax went full retard with that virtue signal.
@The Inactive Account, having a mental illness is now the highest form of life.
@big freedom, agreed
@CellSword, can whoever is downvoting please have the balls (or pretend balls) to defend your opinion?
@CellSword, it’s Jdrawer. His mental illness prevents him from having an actual debate.
@big freedom, ah got ya
Anything that bleeds for 7 days and doesn't die freaks me out, man
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, mr. garrison “I don’t trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn’t die”
@Natural Sarcasm , ah thanks, that's the line
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, yeah man love me some South Park!
@Natural Sarcasm , that’s why he was all into man ass
Once a someone can bleed out the dick for 7 days each month and not die, then you can tell me people who aren’t women have periods.
@Nurse Joy, *opens big book of STDs* let’s go on this adventure together!
*theme song playing in the background* gotta catch em all! Gotta catch em allllllll!!!!
@Nurse Joy, thats not what it says, i believe it is referring to trans men, born female but identify as male. It does not say men can have periods
@batterylicker, trans men who have become physically male are incapable of having periods due to hormones and surgery.
@Your Waifu, not in all cases, I know trans men that have periods still, once you go on testosterone you can still have them but they usually do start to stop with time. I guess this post also covers trans men who cannot transition due to waiting lists, costs, scared to come out etc
@Natural Sarcasm , look up brentalfloss "gotta catch 'em all" on YouTube. Enjoy.
@voided sanity, .... I feel like I should preemptively call you a disgusting fvck...
@voided sanity, well there goes two minutes of the only life I’ll ever have... thanks a lot
@Natural Sarcasm , don't worry after a few years that song will only get stuck in your head when something remind you of it. On the bright side you've got good foresight. So go you
@voided sanity, for whatever good it did me, I still looked it up! It’s like looking at a bear trap thinking “that’ll probably hurt” then stepping on it
@Natural Sarcasm , well better to live your life regretting doing something stupid. Then regret doing nothing at all. At least life won't be boring
@Nurse Joy, you are a nurse so you must know what you're talking about
Guys...some trans men still have periods, even after treatment. Not all have surgery. Also, not all cis women have periods, there are certain conditions that prevent them from being able.
@SimonPetrikov, In my house, we have a woman who doesn't have periods, and a non woman who does. It's a lot more common than people think. Some child births have complications, meaning the entire reproductive system gets removed, so that's a mum without periods, and if you have a daughter, girls don't get the luxury of not having to deal with periods until they are a woman. But I think your post is more relevant to the pic.
@SimonPetrikov, but they arent men, they are women pretending to be a man
I’ve seen this ridiculous notion that guys can literally have periods, bleeding and all. No, sorry SJWs that’s not how biology works. If your a dude and bleeding out your lower orifices then go see a doctor cause something ain’t right
@Natural Sarcasm , i thought it was normal to bleed a little down there because... *whispers* my condom is beginning to grow
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, idk wtf you mean but it sounds absolutely terrifying
@Natural Sarcasm , I believe they are talking about gender, and how a lot of people are saying “gender is a social construct.” As I generally aim to avoid starting arguments, that’s all I will say on the matter.
@Natural Sarcasm , I think what they're saying is that if a man is trans (f to m) then technically it's a dude that bleeds.
But if imma be honest, I don't have the energy to even think about it anymore, and just pray that I'm not put in a situation where that subject is relevant
@BrenadryI, if you're trans then you don't get periods, because surgery and hormone replacement will have eliminated your body's ability to have a menstrual cycle. People who are trans the other direction also don't have one for obvious biological reasons.
@AceWolf456, periods are a part of biology and intrinsically tied to your biological sex, regardless of what gender you identify as. Therefore only biological women can have them. So even if that what they're talking about that's still a dumb thing to say. Not to mention someone who's F to M trans loses the ability to have a menstrual cycle as a result of hormones and surgery by the time they're physically male.
@Your Waifu, not always, sometimes they keep the female down there bits to have a baby before they get operated on. So you get the photos of a man with a beard holding a newborn after giving birth.
@Bad Suggestions, which is why I specified "physically male", as in the ones who have definitively gone all the way with the process.
@Your Waifu, well tons of people say they're trans when they haven't had surgery, such as one of my friends. I can hear the dialup noises in my friends head when I say he's on his period
@AceWolf456, right and wrong as well as good and bad are social constructs.
@BrenadryI, I'm aware, which is again why I specified "physically" male.
@Cuactemoc4919, the very concept of a social construct is also itself a social construct.
@Bad Suggestions, that’s still a woman.
This is the party of science
Does this want me to make people bleed?
Science actually does support it. I'll explain it. You have your sexual reproductive organs (what's on your crotch), your gender (what yoir brain thinks is on your crotch) and sexuality (what your crotch likes to bang). Trans people have sexual dsymorphia, a condition in which the brain is miswired and their gender does not match their sexual organs. The only remedy known is transformative surgery, or changing genders. Multioe studies have proved the positive effect this surgery can have on trans people, for their mental well being. Rather than shame people on something they can't control (and hurts nobody), people should address trans people by their preferred gender. This is the general consensus in the scientific community, which is why there's been pushes to accomodate these people.
@PoliticsGuard, gender doesnt mean what you think it means.
@PoliticsGuard, you do understand the founding principles that you're trying to espouse. Is from a guy forcing two young boys dry hump each other. The bottom boy shot himself the other ODed.
Adults being trans is fine.
Teens it's a phase.
Children are vegan cats.
Pushing an ideology on kids that sterilize them is abuse. Lying about it is evil. The trans lobby should be investigated for child abuse. For misleading claims about transitions being reversal with now life altering consequences.
@That one lurker, so you're sayinf the trans community is sterilizing
@PoliticsGuard, to become a "member" you are sterile. Spreading your group therefore, means to sterilize others. To go to a kid and tell them they are trans is there for child abuse. Because it is not their decision to be trans if they have an inability to consent.
Are you saying a child can consent?
@That one lurker, not at all, why are you assuming people don't consent? I assume you think people decide they are trans. It's not a choice they make, it is who they are. They HAVE the crisscrossed wiring, which MAKES them uncomfortable with their body. Clearly you've never met a trans person, they are lovely people who don't force anything on anyone. like the trans people beheaded by isis, you think they wanted to die
They're actively forcing pronouns laws.
They're actively forcing an exclusive space for the protection of women to be open to any person, leaving them open for predatory action.
They're forcing parents in Cali and Canada to relinquish their children to the state, if the child thinks that they are trans, if they disagree with the child.
But sure they don't force you to do anything.
You're conflating in the first statement. My question to you was if children could consent, not people. As for the second half of your statement I already answered. Lastly you've been the one to suggest this to be a mental disease. Even when the DS9 got psychotic partisans and sophists to state it to be normal.
And to state that a group of people are lovely is patronising and bigoted.
Can a child consent?
This is not a consensus at all, many studies have been done recently proving that gender reassignment surgery does not improve the mental health of those that undergo it, and often makes symptoms such as depression worth. The gender-sex distinction is not well supported as many claim it to be, mostly it has gained traction in sociology and soft sciences in order to appease individual feelings and fit political narratives. Individuals that believe they are of the opposite sex than what they are biologically have a mental disorder, and should not be treated poorly or discriminated against, they should receive treatment in the same way someone with depression would. But gender transformative surgery is not a clear solution.
@PoliticsGuard, they've also scanned brains of transhumans and have shown that their brain fires in the spots of the gender they identify as instead of the gender they were born as.
@PottedPlant, citation needed for claiming that reassignment surgery is ineffective. There are PLENTY of research papers that say it is beneficial to peoples lives which is why they continue to do it. There are also plenty of papers that say things like therapy alone are ineffective in helping as it is a lifelong incurable condition.
There are plenty of studies to support both the effectiveness of gender reassignment surgery and its ineffectiveness. My comment was to point out that it is absolutely not a consensus as to whether or not the surgery is effective. Any individual study must be evaluated based on its methodology, not just its results. There is plenty of disagreement in this area, it does not have the same kind of scientific confidence that other treatments have.
@PoliticsGuard, are we looking into treating the brain if its considered a mental issue?
@CellSword, you can choose to mess with the brain (risky and very complex), or mess with the body (more common and way less complex). There's nothing threatning about switching genders (people can do what they want with their bodies) so why not use that treatment? The brain thinks there's something else on the crotch, rather then change the most complex organ ever, simply change the crotch
Can we just not shįt on some trans people for a minute. Like, yeah we get it, you don't support them. I can tell you first hand, I know there are extremes of people who are really out there with gender identity stuff. Yeah it can be intense and starting a fight over pronouns is silly, but at the same time there are some in the lgbt+ community who are way more normal than you think. Some of us are just trying to be professionals in the workplace. Some people need pads even if you can't really tell by just looking at them. Being quėer should not be a personality trait, and people who do that make it really hard for people like me to be out at all. If I were to come out in lgbt+ community, I'm probably not colorful or pierced enough, or don't get angry about pronouns enough or some shiť. I just want to become a doctor to help common people, and I'm not trying to shove it in people's faces. My gender identity doesn't tell me who tf i am, it is just there. I'm not disabled.
That’s one controversial and complex tweet for a vagina juice absorber
@whatthefrank, blood** not pvssy juice** “internal bandaid”
They may not all be women, but they are all female.
Trans men can have periods. Non-binary people can have periods. It happens.
You KNOW you only posted this to start some shjt...Pass the popcorn, my nibba.
Literally no one cares. Let's get back to me trying to finger bang em all...
Imagine being a sensitive snowflake because people make personal life choices that don't affect you.
Please tell me this isn’t true 🙏🏽
is it weird to have no strong feelings on the issue either way? I'm starting to think its weird.
Batman: "Do you bleed?"
Either of the two sexes (male and female) especially when considered when considered with refrence to SOCIAL and CULTURAL differences rather than biological. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
Im sorry but gender does not mean what you think it means, and your perception of what and why trans people do what they do is also wrong.
Its litterally just "ooh im as masculine as danny devito so i therefore cant be a woman."
Ask batterylicker she only believes shes a woman because shes feminine.
" im a woman because im feminine i have maternal instincts"
@CocoasBro, so you agree gender has nothing to do with your crotch
@PoliticsGuard, yes frankly i see it as an extremely sexist and flawed concept.
@PoliticsGuard, well maybe not nothing to do with the crotch as it is just the accumulated stereotypes based on sex. Since hormones are a thing it does affect the behavior of people to a certain degree. But as a concept you can act " female" as a male.
@CocoasBro, you do realize that everything that happens in your brain is purely biological. You act female because that's how your brain is wired. Hormones can amplify behaviors but dont magically create neurons in your brain.Like I know my gender is male because i look at my dick and I'm not confused.
@PoliticsGuard, what youre talking about is dysphoria its a mental illness. Feeling comfortable with your body parts has nothing to do with gender. Refrence the definition above.
@CocoasBro, it's only a mental illness if it stops you from living life normally, which it doesn't, you're just different gender. Feeling comfortable with your body has everything to do with gender, if your gender doesn't match your sexual organs, there's a disconnect, which is why people transition to feel comfortble in their bodies. The definition you put matches my statement that gender is in your head. Anyways you called trans people mentally ill so I know you've got nothing but hate to share. Have a good day
@PoliticsGuard, there's also plenty of examples of people that regret the transition afterwards because they realize that, biologically, they can't perform the role they want to. A man who becomes a woman will never be female. A woman who becomes a man will never become male. No amount of genital mutilation or superficial modification will change their genes.
@Doctor Yak, I'm not saying that people don't make mistakes, out brain is the most complex organ that we know of. But what about the people that don't regret it?
@CocoasBro, typical transphobe using quotes out of context. You are missing the part where i go on to talk about how i also do not have dysphoria and being trans is also about your body not just how you act and feel. Gender dysphoria is 100% not a mental illness and the fact that you think it is proves you are uneducated on the subject because you are ignoring the professionals who study it. It says clear as day on the NHS website it is not a mental illness.
@PoliticsGuard, when the radical procedure is touted as the preferred choice, or best choice, I take issue. These people have serious mental issues, and i think the more practical course is to first try to work toward acceptance of themselves. If they are for whatever reason incapable of accepting themselves as they are, then go on to more extreme measures, with "gender reassignment" surgeries being the last resort. There should be real effort made to inform the person of the risks associated, and the truth of the situation (i.e. just because we made it look like a vagina doesn't mean you're able to get pregnant or have periods). I don't have a problem with people being trans, I have a problem with how it's "marketed", for lack of a better term.
@Doctor Yak, is that not everyone's opinion already. I don't think most people support unecessary surgery. I'm assuming that clients who get transformative surgery are informed of the potential setbacks. If not there's a serious issue with the law
@PoliticsGuard, mental illness isnt defined by how much it destroys your life. There are plenty of mental illnesses that are completely manageable.
Also look at that definition. Which part of that definition talks about being comfortable with your body.
@batterylicker, it doesnt matter sexist. Youve still defined your status a woman based on how good you wash dishes.
@CocoasBro, your words not mine, get off your high horse you think your such a saint for calling trans people and allies sexist when in reality you are just a transphobic djckhead that lacks any empathy.
@batterylicker, Your words actrually. You even admitted to it. " im a woman because in feminine" feminine just means female stereotype.
And to note i dont think all trans people are sexist. Just the ones who pretend to be trans for victim points. The ones who feel dysphoria cant help it.
@CocoasBro, that was not the entire point, not even the entire sentence. If you want to lie thats fine your point instantly dies. And if you admit trans people cant help it then why do you not use their correct pronouns? That is how the first argument started
@batterylicker, its the definition of the word! Christ sakes it is faithfull to what you said. You belive you would be a woman regardless because youre feminine and nurturing nature. THAT IS SEXIST!
Also for the same reason i dont tell people with ptsd that they are really back in nam. Its not healthy to live in a delusion.
@CocoasBro, if you want to keep arguing that part of a sentance and tiny part of a much larger point i was making then fine you do you. And you are now calling trans people delusional now? You are ridiculously transphobic you should take a hard look at how much of a djckhead you are being right now. You always use the pronouns of somebodys gender identity, not their birth sex.
For the last 2 centuries, gender dysphoria was indeed classified as a mental illness, and will continue to be so. Only in the last few decades has that definition been changed out of fear from persecution from poltical actors who want to shame science to protect peoples feelings. People like you, with clear political narratives, pretending that someone feeling they are the opposite sex than what they are born biologically is not a mental illness, are trivializing what trans people actually have to deal with, and by default, discouraging them from getting the care they need. Its akin to telling a person with real clinical depression that they are just "artistic" or "deep" in order to protect their feelings, when in reality, that person needs real clinical help.
@PottedPlant, i am not being political in the slightest, i am going off what the experts say, which if you go on www.nhs.uk and lookup gender dysphoria it says it is not a mental illness, and that is what I will go off, not some random and im assuming non medical expert claiming its all political and wrong. Not classing it as a mental illness discourages nothing, trans people will always transition if they feel as if it is both necessary and safe to do so because thats what being trans is. Having it classed as a mental illness changes nothing about that. Also, what do you think "the care they need" is? Just out of curiosity.
I am not a medical expert, but I am telling you it is pure historical fact that gender dysphoria was a recognized illness for over a century until politics invaded the science, particularly through the social sciences like sociology, and put pressure on institutions like the NHS to change the designation in order to protect the feelings of individuals. The reason this is a problem is because, in the service of protecting individual feelings, it tells people with real medical issues that they are perfect the way they are, and not that they have a condition that they need help to deal with. I already made the prior analogy with depression to illustrate this. We don't tell people with depression they are fine. The reason we don't do this is because it may protect them in the short term, ie, their feelings may not be hurt, but it will destroy them in the long term. The classification absolutely matters.
The care that each person needs will vary based on the individual. Some people will improve just with simple counseling. Some people will need full on gender reassignment surgery. Some people deal with it on their own and are able to live their lives normally. Everyone is different. But what we should not do is lie to these individuals and pretend they do not have an illness. We don't lie to people in wheelchairs with ALS and tell them they are normal. We don't lie to people with Dwarfism and tell them they are normal. But we should treat them as normal as best we can. This is not the same as pretending a paraplegic can walk.
@PottedPlant, this is completely ridiculous. It being categorized as a mental illness has nothing to do with whether or not they will seek help. A trans person knows they need to seek help because of the way they feel, a category on paper has nothing to do with the dysphoria they feel. When researching gender dysphoria it comes up with all the ways a trans person can get help for it. Just because it says it is not a mental illness does not mean trans people will then say "well i clearly dont need help then" that just doesn't happen. It is still listed as a medical condition that requires attention. I have been to the gender identity clinic in the uk with a friend and they make it VERY clear that gender dysphoria is not something that will go away on its own and that they should consider some kind of treatment to prevent any mental illness such as depression. They are not lying and saying they dont need help.
I never said they were saying they don't need help, but when you change a classification of mental illness you are implicitly downplaying the severity of it. Again, its not just the classification, its that the classification already existed, and then due to political pressure, the classification was changed. Changing the classification was simply done to protect feelings at the expense of scientific integrity. I will agree changing the classification itself is a smaller part of the issue in the grand scheme of things, but it certainly helps noone, and has the potential to harm by downplaying the illnesss.
@PoliticsGuard, y'know, there are a lot of retards, snowflakes, and white knights on this app so I don't often find myself directly responding to anyone. But that sentence about looking at your dick and not being confused was fūcking brilliant. Thank you for that
@batterylicker, look up otherkin. If you think that's stupid congrats you think transgenderism works in exactly the same way.
This community really is full of a bunch of retardants ain’t it?
@Jackalarf, it sure would be if it was a population of people like you
@Natural Sarcasm , oh nice one lol
@Natural Sarcasm , oh well if it isn’t the boy who doesn’t know what scientific means lmao
@Jackalarf, enlighten me, what does it mean?
@Natural Sarcasm , google it dawg I’m not your teacher
@Jackalarf, I did, seems I’ve been right all along! Now what do you think it means?
@Natural Sarcasm , wow that’s awesome! Would you like to share with the class?
@Jackalarf, sure, first I’d need to know the discrepancies presented against me. Defining science as a general term would take me forever since there are many different mediums
@Natural Sarcasm , Of course, let me specify for you. Would you please present your case as to why you recognize jaywalking as scientific law?
@Jackalarf, it’s not on this post but sure lol well there’s a cost/ benefit ratio to certain acts and while jaywalking in general isn’t overtly negative, doing so in certain environments is literally putting others lives at risk for the benefit of about a single minute saved.
Now outside of calling me a goodie goodie I’m curious what your justification is?
@Jackalarf, I don't think it means what you think it means
@Natural Sarcasm , To stay consistent with your vernacular, I would argue there is zero cost, resulting in an infinite benefit ratio, because the average person should be able to interpret whether they can cross a street without getting in anybody else’s way. However, I do recognize there are plenty of people who quite frankly don’t care whether they’re in your way. In conclusion, those people are the a holes, not the ones who jaywalk responsibly.
@Jackalarf, yet most of them are in fact a holes much like the guy in the post you’re referring to. He isn’t jaywalking (which isn’t responsible but isn’t inherently stupid) with any sort of intelligence. He was a fvcking moron and you’d be smarter for separating yourself from him lest people think you’re as smart as him
@Natural Sarcasm , listen I thought we were actually getting somewhere. Have a good night man and don’t let the jaywalkers bite
@Jackalarf, I mean just cause we disagree doesn’t mean we got nowhere. It’s okay to agree to disagree... we don’t have to agree on everything to push dialogue forward. Goodnight man, I’m glad the last half of our communication was pretty civil
@Natural Sarcasm , Good point, well just have to agree to disagree. Glad we could work it out lol
@Jackalarf, yeah man I don’t like to end things on a sour note, sorry if I seemed petty
@Natural Sarcasm , it’s all good. In hindsight, it was my pettiness from the last post that continued it here so my bad too
@Jackalarf, thanks man, that’s a big thing to admit. In the future, even if we’re on opposing sides, you have my respect
@Natural Sarcasm , same brother, respect.
This is like the condom add I saw for Trojan that had a female couple on it.
I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?
What is this a Benetton ad?
This seems inappropriate for a blm protest