Capitalism is a beautiful thing
Oh I'm gonna use this meme to troll climate change deniers
@InsaneAnimeCleavage, how would this be a troll? Like this is d tier facebook sh!t.
@BlazingBowman, it would be great for people that seriously post and believe anything Turning Point USA says
@SkizleDNizleS, Ah yes, like when they post videos of actual people answering questions? We shouldn't believe those right?
@Thatoneguymayknow, was more so thinking of the lies they actively spread through their impact font and "memes" (if you think stock images of people looking confused counts). Or maybe that their founder Charlie spouts out nonsense on Twitter that commonly gets fact checked and proven to be incorrect. Or the groups stance that climate change is incorrect (the whole thing), which makes some sense seeing as the group receives funding from the fossil fuel industry
@SkizleDNizleS, Any chance you could show me an instance?
@Thatoneguymayknow, Yes, TPUSA posted on Facebook about a quote by Nancy Pelosi, saying "Employers cutting hours is a good thing. It then gives that person time to pursue their dreams and passions." Not only did she not say that, but the entire context of that conversation was twisted (from a 2013 State of the Union interview).
@SkizleDNizleS, the problem is biases. The same "fact checks proving X wrong" can and often are fact checked themselves and also proven "wrong" because subjectivity exists in the world. If I say "the sky is blue", it can be "fact checked" by posting a picture at night, or sunset, or sunrise, or when its cloudy, and boom "look at X, lying about the sky again, EPIC fact checks!" But this doesn't stop people from saying "yeah, generally the sky is blue" and agreeing with the first statement instead. Its the "two movies on one screen" effect, two rational people can be given the exact same input data and come to opposite conclusions based on their own internal knowledge and biases. The main problem is bad actors on both sides exploit this, which sounds like the issue in its entirety, but the "real" issue isn't just that both sides do it, it's that each side is trying to convince themselves "only the OTHER side is REALLY doing it!"
@SkizleDNizleS, im guessing thats a right wing news outlet?
@BlazingBowman, kinda, it's more of a right wing organization that targets college students. No issue with that, it's more of the information and message they try to display
@thrawnfett, that's fair, and I am not taking an X side is the only ones wrong. I'm calling the organization itself to attention and pointing out the lies and issues surrounding just them in this context
@SkizleDNizleS, what would that be? Genuinely would like to hear your take.
@BlazingBowman, I take a lot of issue with the founder, Charlie Kirk, who tweets out misleading and often times false information (for example, stating the Democratic 2020 platform includes bringing back ISIS, killing every new job, crashing the stock market, etc.) The organization commonly backs and hosts these tweets and statements (obviously, since he is the founder). I had listed above about a Nancy Pelosi misquote they tried to push as well. Their posts commonly include topics said by X political figures followed by red herrings in an attempt to disprove the first point (accompanied by a confused looking stock photo person). There are a lot better ways to get involved in politics than with this group (not even touching on their issue with racist past members) and I would apply the same guidelines and mindset listed above to any group of any political leaning
@SkizleDNizleS, Hold up, how do you know she didn't say that? All I can find is that people attribute that quote to a speach from 2013, but no hard hitting facts. So, you will have to give me something more solid.
@Thatoneguymayknow, well first of all, there is no way to prove non-existance. What I am doing is taking the context and transcript from the 2013 state of the union interview. Pelosi: "More than one employer involved in a contract. And that has to be certainly clarified. There's just so much the president can do within the law. But there is some leeway to facilitate as we are in the Congress under the exchanges. So, I'm optimistic, because, we will find a path. But overwhelmingly for the American people, this is a liberation. This is life, healthy life, liberty, the freedom to pursue your happiness, which could be, follow your passion for good rather than follow your palate and be constrained by your policy. It's about wellness. It's about prevention, it's about a healthier America." The context comes from workers still having the option for insurance without having to stay with an employer for the coverage thanks to Obamacare
@SkizleDNizleS, But who says that is what they were specifically referring to? That is just what people attribute it to, not what they know it is actually about. This is the problem, you assume it's what it was about, because "Fact-Checkers" say it's false(While within their own fact check admit that they attribute it to that speech, so they can't say it's outright false), blindy accepting what they think happened to be true.
If you can show me an instance with solid facts, that they did something wrong, or blatantly misrepresented something, I will agree with you. But that's not what you have done here.
@Thatoneguymayknow, the problem is that the quote is not real. They are free to try to spin it as much as they want, the fact it the quote does not exist as proven by the transcript of the interview. The context is valid about the concerns of people due to cutting hours. Your appeal to ignorance is not a valid disproval
@SkizleDNizleS, Where does the meme say that she said that in that speech? Nowhere. So assuming it is, renders an argument useless. Because there isn't enough facts to back it up. Maybe if you asked them where it came from, they would tell you. Did TPUSA say it was in that speech?
You are going in circles my good sir. Please, stop for a second, read what I'm saying, and provide me with something solid, to prove the quote is actually from that speech.
@Thatoneguymayknow, the meme has it quoted by Nancy Pelosi. They do not cite where the quote is from, but they are attributing the quote to her. My claim is that the quote does not exist. It is not that they took the quote from that speech. It is fair to say that I used the speech to try to attribute their quote to it. However, you asking me to prove that it isnt what she said (as commented above) does not resolve the issue that they fabricated that quote.
@SkizleDNizleS, Precisely, they don't cite where it was from, so you shouldn't attribute it to that speech. I understand your claim is that the quote doesn't exist, but you claiming it doesn't exist, doesn't make them a dishonest group, just that you don't believe something was said.
Actually,it resolves it. Because at this point, it's your word against a quote. You haven't tried to verify with them, and instead try to demean them, why? You dislike them that much, that because you don't like something they said was quoted by someone else(You might like Pelosi?) so you say they are a bad group of misinformers?
I guess we should dislike you, because you said something about someone, and I don't agree with it, so you are a bad person. See the problem?
@SkizleDNizleS, All I am asking for, is some solid proof that they spread misinformation. That means you need evidence to prove that what they said is wrong, not just that you feel it's wrong.
@Thatoneguymayknow, the burden of proof for the quote is not on me to ask it, it's for them to provide it. They threw out a quote with no source behind it. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with it, they provided a quote out of context and I've criticized them for it. Your assumptions into my reasonings are irrelevant if I am calling out the fallacies in their meme
@SkizleDNizleS, Look, we are getting nowhere with this, they are not making an argument, so the "Burden of Proof" doesn't really apply here. That applies to an argument, like right now, you are implying they spread misinformation, the Burden of Proof is on you to provide evidence of such. You have failed to do so, and instead insist that a meme, with no source (Hardly ever is there a source") is proof. You are the one who engages in fallacies here, and attribute fallacies incorrectly.
@Thatoneguymayknow, I really haven't failed to do so, the fabrication of a quote that is meant to misrepresent the person's position is a perfect example of spreading misinformation. You asking me to prove that she did not say that and then asserting that I have not done so is of your own ignorance. We're definitely getting nowhere with this, which is why I am leaving it here.
@SkizleDNizleS, You are accusing a post of misinformation, an inanimate object, a simple picture. You are not confronting TPUSA about it, so you can't get an answer. You can't provide any facts to show it wasn't said, or that they claimed it was something, and have solid proof it wasn't, thus you cannot prove the quote is fabricated. You are failing to prove anything, you refuse to provide an alternate example of misinformation, which is proof enough you don't have anything else.
I'm saying this to help you. If you want people to take you seriously, bring solid logic, and facts to the table, not hypotheticals, and emtpy arguments. Have a good one.
@SkizleDNizleS, "PEOPLE SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THINGS THAT *I* /DON'T/ BELIEVE?!?!?! OMG HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!" - You. Also, this apo is 17+ so please come back in 11 years.
@Captain Swordsman, lol
Mr.Krabs voice: “I love money!”
Hahaha, oh fictional characters and their made up stories