USA would liberate itself.
I like the part where it says USA
@Sexy Homunculus, hell yea! Here's a few more USA! USA! USA! Let freedom ring, brother!
If that were true, wouldn't our military have been in Hong Kong for a while now?
@TheStarHawk, Weeellll, if Hong Kong wasn't part of a country that produced like 95% of our goods, I'd be willing to bet we'd be more inclined to do so
@TheStarHawk, well, there's not that much oil there
@TheStarHawk, no oil
@A Flying Panda, its not the goods its the nuclear weapons.
@CocoasBro, yeah, we saw what happened to Japan, we don't need that weeb shīt here.
@TheStarHawk, that would be true if Hong Kong wasn't owned by our biggest trading partner who happens to also be one of the largest countries in the world as well as one of the ones with the largest number of allies and nukes.
@CocoasBro, it's both. We don't want to lose our stuff, and we also don't wanna get nuked. Makes it a bit of a lose-lose.
@That one lurker, well technically it'd be worse, because the size of the explosion from bombs dropped on Japan is less then a tenth of the size of all modern bomb's explosions. Plus if ones person launches them everybody probably launches them. So it'd be a bit more like Fallout.
@Your Waifu, we can go other places for slave labor.
@CocoasBro, but not for the sheer scale of production. Seriously, look up how much of the world's factory based production comes out of China, it's completely nuts.
@Your Waifu, other could match that in time.
@CocoasBro, not really, just because the amount of space taken up by factories and production lines in China is larger than most countries. The only countries who even have close to enough land to eventually match their production are the US and Russia, and the US at least can't match China's factory and production output because of environmental regulations and labor laws that don't exist in China. And regardless of if it'll happen eventually, the immediate impact of losing China's production would still be that the entire world goes into an economic depression or recession due to the prices of literally everything skyrocketing because of scarcity.
As an example, the phone you're holding in your hands as you read this was made almost entirely from parts made in China. How much did it cost you to buy when phone parts were readily available, and how much more do you think it'd cost to buy if the factories producing those parts suddenly shut down?
@Your Waifu, yeah and all thats due to foriegn investment. India, thailand, south america, africa as long as theyre willing to use their people as disposable slaves they will eventrually get to where china is now in about 20 to 30 years or so.
@CocoasBro, they won't get to where China is because to match China's production they'd have to turn literally the entire country into nothing but factories and then stack more factories on top of those factories, and then they'd have to hire workers from outside the country. Seriously, you're missing just how absolutely massive the number of factories and production lines in China is. I'm not exxagerating when I say the amount of land it uses up is more land then exists in most countries, and all the countries you listed aren't even close to big enough.
Also, Africa's not a country, it's a continent. You have to be more specific than "Africa". Do you mean Egypt? South Africa? Kenya? Because all the countries have huge differences in culture, government, law, and level of technology. Only a first world country could actually even hope to replace China's output, after all, and most of the countries in Africa aren't first world.
@CocoasBro, also, I'll ask you straight up, since this was the main issue last time, have you actually done any research on this at all? Because much like last time, the sheer volume of production that's done out of China is very easy to find out via google.
@Your Waifu, who said the production would go into one nation? Also define research. Because this is purely a speculative argument so can i tell you the exact output of chinas production, its square footage, and how thats effected its growth exactly over the years? no. Do i think that chinas meteoric rise to super power status is pretty much single handedly all the foreign investment for cheap goods at the expense of chinas people as essentially slaves. Yes.
@CocoasBro, but the point isn't the cause of their level of production, the point is how impossible it would be for anyone to match it, how long it would take for us to catch up on it if it disappeared, and how catastrophic an impact it would have on the global economy if that production was just cut off. You can complain as much as you want about China having basically non-existent labor laws and civil rights, and you'd be right to do so, but it's because of those very conditions that you currently have access to so much technology for such a comparatively cheap price. I guarantee that almost every single electronic device in your house probably has at least some parts that were made in China, and I guarantee you that you wouldn't have been able to afford every single one of them as easily if not for how absurd their production capabilities are. So the conditions of their workers, as bad as they are, are irrelevant to the discussion we're having.
@Your Waifu, im not complaining about its abhorrent labor laws. Im just pointing out thats why in a handful of decades they went from a third world nation recovering from a civil war to a world super power. As soon as that foriegn investment disappears china crumbles.
@CocoasBro, and I'm pointing out that that foreign investment disappearing is irrelevant because it will never disappear as long as companies want to take the cheapest route to making money and want to sell products as cheaply as possible. The only way for the foreign investment to disappear is if every other first world country on the planet simultaneously enacted a trade embargo so steep that it'd make it cheaper for companies to buy or make the parts somewhere else. As this is basically impossible unless China themselves manage to do something so monumentally and obviously evil that they anger the government's of all those countries, and doing so in the current day and age has become inadvisable due to nuclear weapons existing, I'd say we are likely never going to see this happen. There's also the fact that in many first world countries large companies have at least some minor level of influence on the government, and this is especially true in capitalist countries like the US.
@Your Waifu, something like cover up and lie to the world about a pandemic. Giving out false data, and waiting for weeks to give out critical information about said pandemic?
@CocoasBro, that's clearly hasn't been enough to trigger such a reaction, so it doesn't work as an example. After all, guess where 90% of those masks and gloves we're using came from?
@CocoasBro, also it's irrelevant because it doesn't matter how production would shut down, what matters is how catastrophic the immediate result would be.
@Your Waifu, ive heard talk of such things in the e.u and brittain. Dont know if thats still on the table or not. The pandemic kinda got forgotten about since floyd.
@CocoasBro, it's only been forgotten about in America, and that's a whole nother discussion that I'd rather not have for reasons that should be obvious looking at the comments of any posts related to it. That said, the EU and UK are notoriously wishy washy about any big political matters. For example, just look at how much progress the UK has made on Brexit since first announcing it.
@Your Waifu, fair enough. Back on point. Im not saying that chinas importance in production and manufacturing isnt immense but thats not the reason we avoid swinging our dick at them. Its the mutually assured destruction.
@CocoasBro, oh, I'm well aware that's why we don't make any military or political moves against them, I was just pointing out that the importance of their production to the entire world is why we also can't really make any economic moves against them either. Basically, those two factors together means basically can't do anything to touch them without major problems occurring.
@Your Waifu, sure we can. Like i said paper tiger. Just slowly start reinvesting into another slave state.
@CocoasBro, well, the problem is that to match their production we'd have to invest in building factories and production lines in basically every other country on the planet, and the problem with that is that big greedy companies always go for the cheapest possible option regardless of political situations.
Also remember that Trump actually started his presidency by trying to put an embargo on China, and it failed pretty hard specifically because of those companies. The best we could really hope for is for China itself to have another schism or reformation that causes it to get new government that cares more about human rights, which would mean less production out of China without getting rid of all of it and force companies to go to other countries or possibly their own country for the missing production, thus making all countries less economically dependent on China without eliminating all of its production. Plus then China would be less horrible in general.
@Your Waifu, from what i heard that his trade war with china trump was winning. Either way theres nothing stopping anyone from reinvesting into another country.
@CocoasBro, there isnt, but companies are going to do whatever they want, regardless of the interests of the country theyre based out of, and I wouldn't say we're winning any trade war against China until I stop seeing made in China on half the products sold in big stores, since as long as companies are still having products made there it means trade with China has not yet been made unattractive enough to stop companies from doing it.
@Your Waifu, companies are curtailed by their governments.
@CocoasBro, in certain ways, yes, but in a free market country there's only so many restrictions the government can place on them before it stops being a free market. In fact, the only restrictions they really can place on them are laws to preserve the existence of the free market, and things like taxes and embargos. But I suspect due to lobbyists and funding from the companies that the government isn't doing as much as it could to curtail companies, because several monopoly like businesses are rising to power, and I suspect it's for the same reason that embargos haven't risen high enough to prevent China from being the cheapest option to buy goods, parts, and labor from. Outside of increasing taxes from the embargo high enough that China is no longer the cheapest option, I don't think there's any action the government can take to curtail companies from buying from China without it being seen as tyrannical.
@Your Waifu, and you dont think an embargo would do the job?
@CocoasBro, I just said I think it would do the job if it was high enough to make China stop being the cheapest option, but it isn't that high, because if it were companies wouldn't still be buying everything from China.
@Your Waifu, well there ya go.
@CocoasBro, what do you mean, "there you go"? Just because a possible solution exists doesn't mean things will be solved. Enough governments actually have to use that solution for it to matter at all, and right now no governments are doing it. And with the amount of the government's debt that's owed to China and the number of big companies with lobbyists who like buying from China, I doubt our government is going to take that action any time soon.
@Your Waifu, that was never the discussion.
@CocoasBro, but it was. If no country is willing to do something to solve the problem even though it's an obvious solution, that means they don't want to deal with the consequences of that action and therefore won't go through with it. Our government owes debt to China and is heavily influenced by lobbyists from companies who like being able to buy from China, so even though they could make it less of a problem by increasing the embargo, they most likely won't because they'd rather not lose China as a business partner or access to it's cheap labor. A solution isn't really a solution unless someone actually uses it to solve the problem. Until then it's just a dream, like hoping that every country will dismantle their nukes.
@Your Waifu, its not about if it will happen its about why we dont. I garauntee you its because of the nukes.
@CocoasBro, did I ever say the nukes weren't a reason?
@Your Waifu, fair enough.
@TheStarHawk, USA only starts fights with countries they know they are gonna win..... Well except Vietnam of course
@Your Waifu, Antarctica could do it. *
*sarcasm. I just thought of the penguins. Train em.
@Gorvo, Vietnam started Vietnam, but the POWs kept us there. Also, check out the 1954 Geneva Conference and consider the results of that when looking at the Ho Chi Minh Trail
@Your Waifu, the only thing is most of those manufactures produced in China are relatively non-essential items. Phones are nice but they’re a confounding irony on our curiously drive towards looping life into a cyclical existence; for instance, we need to communicate faster, make phone, make phone more portable, end up browsing memes and have conversation about the importance of Chinese manufacturing in our acquisition of phones to browse memes to pass the time (under the guise of communicating faster, but that communication revolves around conversing on the necessity of Chinese manufacturing for cell phone procurement)
@supermcnasty, while it's true that most of the things they produce are non-essential in the literal sense, they have at least some hand in every single kind of non-essential market, and most governments, civilians, and companies likely don't consider these items to be as non-essential as they actually are. Phones were just one example out of many items that they produce at least one part of. The Others include computers, furniture, hardware, televisions, radios, and cookware, to name just a few. It's also noteworthy that there are very few if any electronics out there that don't use at least one part that's made in China, and that there are in fact many electronic parts that are produced almost exclusively in China. It's also worth noting that many of these electronics, though non-essential to living, are essential to the day to day work of a very large number of people, including government workers.
@Your Waifu, and most if not all of those things contribute to a cyclical lifestyle which all amount, in the end, to you and me holding a conversation in which the subject matter pertains to the things that were made which led us to having this conversation. #irony #china #order66 #thanksGB
Yo dawg, USA
@Your Darkest Secret, I could imagine the socialist who made this just staring at their work and just masturbating to their glory.
@Child Slapper, I've talked to this guy before. Can confirm.
Nah, not enough oil
@Commander Peanuts, we literally have like the largest oil reserves in the world
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, still not enough to make us wanna get into this mess
No we’d arm rebels and train them to take over and install a government that’s better for the US. That actually sounds like exactly what’s going on tbh if you consider that most people don’t like our elected government.
Ouch. The truth stings.
Only if we had oil though