Delivery man wants you to wear a mask.
Its so true it hurts
Im not gonna do it bro, i thought about it though...
@MMSieBreeze, alright... but when your chin has a poop... you gonna wish you did
@seeUpee, lmfao! Its okay, itll just get caught in my beard.
That’s about all it’s good for.
(Edit) Advisory: Attempt imposition at your own risk. Milgram.
@Cave Dweller, please continue to think that. the gene pool could probably go without your progeny
@Hoban Washburne, Trust me dude you have no idea. Caves gene pool is... More like a sewer drain. Just an endless cycle of inbreeding. He doesnt even have a family tree! He simply has a single stump with circular roots. Its embarrassing really. You have to feel sorry for him really.
@Cave Dweller, this will get me downvoted into oblivion, but here goes nothin...
Size of the virus is around 0.125 microns (on average). N95 mask stops particles around .100 micron with 95% effectiveness.
Surgical masks are only design to block larger particles (200-500 microns). So, effectively, the droplets you produce when you spit when you talk.
While the coronavirus droplets do sometimes cling to larger droplets, most of the droplets that are aerosolized are very small. An N95 would really be the only mask that would “block the coronavirus” from infecting you.
Also, I think people have gotten it in their heads that, as long as they wear a mask, they will never catch or spread the coronavirus. This is a dangerous way of thinking, as this is an airborne virus. This isn’t a hurricane or a tornado where you stay in your basement until it dissipates. Eventually this virus will infect the vast majority of people; but the great news for that very large majority of that majority,
@Chief Poundserhard, the survival rate is 99%. Of course, this excludes older people, people with existing conditions that affect heart, lungs, oxygen in blood, etc.
I’m sorry this is so long, but all that’s ever told to us is that masks save lives. While I don’t dispute there’s a certain level of efficacy in masks, I really don’t believe that line, especially since it’s politicians hammering that line home.
However, I’m non-apologetic about questioning the TRUE efficacy of all masks, especially ones that are not an N95. I think we’re at a point where it’s “any mask is a good mask,” and I think that’s very dangerous to think that way. I don’t the science is settled on mask-wearing and coronavirus, and so I think it’s alright to question it.
Im prepared for the shjtstorm of downvotes, as well as any debate on this if anyone would like? Or maybe this isn’t the type of forum to do so.
@Chief Poundserhard, the point of the public wearing regular masks was never to prevent them from catching the virus, its to prevent them from spreading it. The virus has a very long incubation period where it is infectious so its impossible to completely contact trace and predict every case spread. Therefore taking early measures to prevent exponential spread is very important. Any mask, even a cloth one, is more effective when worn on someone who is sick because the number of particles exhaled are much more dense then, and although it does not catch all of them it catches a good portion of them which reduces the chance of spread. Every reduction in the probably of spread especially early in a pandemic has the chance of stopping a super spreader event and greatly reducing the sick load of a population. Also the current survival rate is not the important point. The point is the level of care required for serious cases is very high and closer to 5% of the population. If we don't...
@Chief Poundserhard, if we don't have the hospital capacity to care for those cases and have to start triaging Healthcare like what happened to Italy early on that death rate creeps closer and closer to 5% and our hospital systems start to break down and people who don't even have covid cant be treated due to the strain on the system
@jouze, I understand what you’re saying. To your point of preventing the spread, is that not the same as preventing people from catching it? To delay people from getting it to not overwhelm the hospitals is a sensual thing to do; however, that never occurred in the vast majority of hospitals. Really only in New York did that happen. It speaks volumes when many hospitals, at the height of the pandemic, we’re laying off nursing and medical staff because the hospitals were empty. Even after reopening to have “elective” procedures performed, this never happened.
And I would completely disagree with your view on the survival rate of this disease. While there will be severe cases - as with any virus and disease - if my survival rate is so high that it’s almost guaranteed, then I do not think that’s something to shrug off. Sure, if you wind up in the ICU for 2 months with this thing and come out alive, you’ve survived, but it’s been hell. But you’re really not seeing those types of cases
@jouze, right now. Most everyone is experiencing mild-to-normal symptoms. It isn’t to say that people aren’t getting severely ill, but I think it’s a very small fraction of people that are going to the ICU with this virus.
@Chief Poundserhard, this is correct and it is only the beginning. Not even “n-95” masks work outside of clinical settings. But then, the good little obedient useful-idiots* need a symbol and they think they’ve found one with which they can inflict conformity. Remember the “safety pin”? This is bigger than many know. No policy proposed to date could stop, or even slow, the spread of an infectious disease— none yet are meant to.
If a business requests mask usage for patronage, use one or go somewhere else— latter advised.
If government mandates ubiquitous usage, protest firmly and vociferously.
If individuals attempt imposition in public non-private places, send them to hell.
@Hoban Washburne, ok Karen.
“Misery loves company,” apparently so does stupidity.
Beware the NPC Karen— their tell is always the same: “[trust] me...don’t [listen] to them...they’re [bad]...”
the peer-reviewed medical journal tells us what we already knew: Cave Dweller is a fvcking moron
*surprised pikachu face*
What is Elsevier?
Who is Richard Horton?
What are Horton’s feelings toward Karl Marx?
Define “peer reviewed.”
Who are the “peers”?
There are words to describe useful idiots turned lazy filthy propagandists like you, but none would get past the censors. The statements above describe your ilk perfectly.
As always, be well.
(Edit) Fun read for the interested:
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@Cave Dweller, common sense alone should be enough.
@Chief Poundserhard, some people are informed and some people are misinformed.
You are informed. Too bad n95s are hard to get. I'm reusing mine I bought years ago for sanding and painting
@Cave Dweller, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
honestly man, you’re wonderful. i love the utter mind-boggling heap of cognitive dissonance you display
*sees peer-reviewed research paper in world-renowned journal*
*looks at citation list size of his arm*
*proceeds to ask easily googlable questions, most of which are answered in said paper in words too big for him to understand*
*proceeds to saunter off smugly, having displayed a truly breathtaking level of stupidity, talking about how he’s thoroughly bested the dissenting opinion*
common sense alone would tell anybody who possessed it that they’re not biologists and that they should listen to what the people who know more than them on a topic are saying.
common sense alone SHOULD be enough to tell the stupid that they should listen to the smart
but, alas, the stupid would prefer to FEEL smart, rather than ACT smart. and thats how we get radiant flowers such as you my dear memeing friend
honestly bud, i have to assume at this point
@Cave Dweller, that you’re just the product of a DIY abortion gone bad. which in a way is a compliment, because through all the smoking and drinking and bellyflopping your mother must have done while you were in the womb, you persevered. and thats impressive. and if not of your intelligence, you should at least be proud of your resilience.
as always bud, thank you, i will indeed be well
@Hoban Washburne, this your first cave Dweller experience?
@Hoban Washburne, dude, imagine being so arrogant that you think you know better than almost every medical professional in the world
@Cave Dweller, you fvckin dumb bro
@Chief Poundserhard, masks are designed to help vs the virus not eliminate the thread. Countries that wear masks have had a much better fight vs the virus. Yes it wont block in individual airborne single virus but it could stop ones that are with larger particles/droplets. People spit a lot when they talk even if they dont see it.
@Cave Dweller, looking at most of those studies led me to believe there were no definitive conclusions. The 1st one had a sample size of 32 people, the second one found little difference between the groups mainly because they largely acted the same and didn't really adhere to the safety interventions. The rest were similar. Low confidence, low sample sizes, or they were comprehensive reviews that shared cited the other studies you listed.
@Hoban Washburne, the journal seems to focus more on a review of studies on social distancing using data from multiple COVID like diseases as well as covid. The strongest confidence was in social distancing measures of at least 1 meter, with increasing distancing increasing prevention, at a moderate confidence rating. The review of masks showed a 14.3 percent drop in chance of viral infection from 17.4% with no mask to 3.1% with masks on average. However, this was given a low confidence rating even though they mentioned it could have been rated up qualitatively. The data seems to suggest masks offer a positive effect, but it is not definitive. Because most studies were observational it is difficult to definitive state the effectiveness, as stated in the article. I'm not familiar with the bias models they used, but I'd like to see an observational study that also addresses patients biases. It could be that people who wear masks are more cautious in general, wash their hands more and ..1
@Hoban Washburne, 2 naturally distance themselves further than non-mask wearers. I'm interested in the two newer studies awaiting publication mentioned by the article. That being said, I'd rather be safe than sorry, so I don't see the harm in wearing a mask.
@Hoban Washburne, a nervous laugh, a deflection, and a diatribe of ad hominem.
Expected. Liberals turn to rabid animals when shown how brainless they are.
You are in over your head.
Try this, you do as you wish, but attempt imposition at your own risk.
Of course, as always, be well.
@Mantis Tobaggan, no u.
While we’re all just human, some are poorly or misinformed and mean well, others are conspirators and mean to spread disinformation and fear to line their pockets or get some kicks or are just all too happy to grovel on their bellies for pats on the head.
Sadly, in this situation, masks are little more than codpieces for the faces of the most obedient.
Keep it on hand though, it might prove useful in a different kind of pinch.
@Implicit88, well, by that logic, the masks being designed to help defend against the virus, what is the purpose of not to eliminate the threat? You kind of said the same thing in your first sentence. If we are to help slow the spread, that has been achieved - hospitals are not overwhelmed, and they never were (with the exception in NYC). So are we still needing to slow the spread of this when the majority of cases are exhibiting mild-to-no symptoms?
In your second sentence you talk about other viruses. My question to you is are we wearing masks to guard against all other airborne/aerosolized viruses now? My perception was that we are trying to stop Covid. Which, with the way things are headed, we may be wearing masks to stop the spread of all airborne illnesses, which is flat out dangerous on its face.
I’m just interested in knowing what you mean by “help vs the virus” and “not eliminate the threat.” I take those to be effectively the same thing.
@Cave Dweller, that is some top tier made up conspiracy bullsh!t, well done
@Cave Dweller, this app is predominantly conservative, friend. take a look at your up/down votes. this isnt a partisan issue, no matter how much you’d like it to be. i like reasonable conservatives. most conservatives are reasonable. and most of the conservatives as well as liberals on this app are united in knowing you’re just a fvckin moron bud
as always, i shall be well
@Cave Dweller, and the sheer hypocrisy of a man who compliments his adversaries in a transparent ploy to aggravate them, insults them regularly, and then seeks to criticize them for ad hominems is laughable. hypocrisy is one thing, but the thing that has me aghast is that i genuinely believe you’re far too deluded to judge yourself with the modicum of objectivity it would take for you to realize you’re a disingenuous hate troll
@Hoban Washburne, a Liberal triggering if ever one were seen- complete as described in previous posts. Popularity is not the same as being right though to the NPC, conformity is everything— and, they’ll always claim to speak for others to attempt the effect. Good luck to you. As always, be well.
@Mantis Tobaggan, some might argue the real “conspiracy” theory comes from those who suggest a disease dangerous enough to shut down the global economy could be stopped by a 4” piece of tissue. But hey, the world turns. As long as those who feel safe by wearing one have access to them, and keep those habits to themselves, no one should have a problem. Be well.
my point was simply that even your own side hates you
ugh. i suppose its my own fault for engaging with a troll. theres no logic for people like you. im done bud. to quote a fool: “be well”
@Chief Poundserhard, my hospital in Indiana was very very close to being overwhelmed. We called in 6 retired doctors to help and I was doing 36 hour shifts at one point (6 hours off the clock to not go over the legal limit)
Also organ damage is a serious issue in another 2-3% of the pop. That doesn’t die- and that seems to be equally likely at any age leaving decades of medical care down the road for young adults
@ajr12100, and projections of covid spread are putting us at another potential overload on the healthcare system in another 2 months as flu season starts to kick off
@Cave Dweller, I really can't tell of you're joking but either way this is hilarious!
@Hoban Washburne, yeah you're wasting time and effort with him. He is exactly the type of person who is QAnon's wet dream. He likes to think he is intelligent and edgy. He is the type of person that when faced with facts usually comes back with "Do your research.". A complete troll and a very poor one at that.
Chin diaper.... I like that over "face mask"
So was that just a special episode cause I thought it was gonna be the start of a new season