Masks stop facial recognition software from tracking you.
There are several articles that talk about it not being nearly as effective as people think. Still even if it helps just a little what’s the harm in wearing one? I definitely understand not wanting to wear one all the time, but if you’re in an enclosed space with a lot of people like the grocery store then I really don’t get the problem
@Natural Sarcasm , technically only N95 masks stops the small virus droplets... But the others do help some! I totally agree with you!
@seeUpee, every little bit to potentially stop an expontential growth phase is helpful
@Natural Sarcasm , not to mention you can do pretty much all the safety precautions at once, and the effectiveness stacks, sort of like a status resistance in an rpg or something.
@Your Waifu, that’s actually a pretty good metaphor, I’m gunna steal that lol
@seeUpee, actually a cloth mask can stop the droplets as well and so can surgical masks because droplets size is a size big enough to get caught in the fabric
@Natural Sarcasm , I believe the public should be informed and make decisions based on that information. Misleading people about the efficacy of a cloth mask might increase the likelyhood that they wear them, but it may also prompt them to be less careful, since they believe they are safe. Purposfully misleading or lying to the public usually has negative consequences.
@SirLoveday, It is true that cloth masks can filter out large droplets of water, and that surgical masks block water. However, most of the air you breathe out is an aerosol (you can see this if you breathe on a cold day). In the case of cloth masks, this aerosol mostly penetrates straight through. For a surgical mask, it just goes around (this is why it may fog up your glasses). This basically means that anyone within a short radius of you is at a near identical risk of contracting an airborne virus as if you had none at all. The real benefit of a mask comes from the non airborne forms of transmission. For example, colds can be transmitted by saliva, mucus, etc. A mask blocks the saliva and mucus expelled from talking and sneezing. That's why masks are very effective at slowing cold transmission. Masks have their maximum utility when you interact with a surface that someone might touch later, else they do very little. See OSHA guidlines for more.
@Natural Sarcasm , Working a labor intensive job in a hot (85 degree) building having to wear one for 9 hours is where it becomes a problem. Not to mention it actually pulls facial hair out.
@Natural Sarcasm , there are more than several legitimate articles stating that a mask even at a respirator efficiency cannot protect when the filtration is barely capable of filtering twice the size of a cold virus out. Compiled with ease of breathing, people never messing with there masks, adding cooling and drying effects, preventing poor immuno-processes, increasing blood oxygen levels over time then why not. The whole up in arms about not wearing a mask at all is not acceptable. Being a human simply must not exist as people continually imply their will and expectations on others. For instance, if I go within six feet of someone and hold my breath before entering into the radius, who is in danger? Providing they breath regularly and nobody spits or touches what touches cuts or orifices that have liquid. Seriously. If we can dip our hands in flu virus or mercury and not become infected, what kind of expert is Dr. Fauci...Dr douchté?
@member berry, Not to mention the fact that surgical masks are made for sterile environments, and their filters are rendered near useless after 10 minutes in a non-sterile environment.
@member berry, have you tried breathing through a cloth mask in a cold enough place to see your breath? Because using that as an example of them not being effective isn’t great. The cloth mask prevents the breath cloud almost entirely. Even dispersing the small amount of breath that sometimes escapes, to fog your glasses as you point out, is better than breathing it into someone else’s breathing space. If you don’t have access to the cold or a walk in freezer, try blowing out a candle or match while wearing a cloth mask. To say it “mostly” gets through is misleading
@HolyCatchphrase, I actually thought it was cool how could see my breath coming out of a ski mask as a kid. Ski masks generally have a tighter seal around the mouth than the typical cloth masks you see during the pandemic. For those, the fog will mostly go around the sides of the face and up through the eyes. In this case, if you are indoors, people to the sides and back of you are put at more risk, even if they are a few meters away. Remember, it doesn't take much to move the air within a room. To see this, blow a vape cloud in a room. You'll see how quickly it disperses into a hazy cloud in front of you. If you try again with a ski mask on, you'll see little difference of any. If you try again with a poorly seeled cloth mask or a surgical mask, after a few seconds, you'll have a similar cloud, but centered closer to your head. Make sure your ac is off and that you don't move around too much. The slightest movement of air can change the shape and location of your cloud.
@member berry, I can confirm that, i work in IOS7 clean rooms and we have very strict rules for what movements we make, how fast, how we stand ect to keep air from being any more disturbed than we started
@Natural Sarcasm , genuine question, would you share a couple of the articles you mention? Because what I’ve read so far seems to strongly support masks. See here for example: https://www.fast.ai/2020/06/26/particle-sizes/
If there are data that say otherwise though, I would really like to know!
@dustbunny, honestly I couldn’t tell you. Most were cited by others and I’m just secondhanding the info after reading pieces of the whole posted by others. There were just statements that I couldn’t find a way to refute.
I have found that overall most people see this issue in black and white but it seems to have a great deal of grey.
I can’t source any of what I’m about to say as it’s just my interpretation of what I’ve read but it seems like masks are most beneficial in certain environments like populated enclosed spaces. Yet ineffective and sometimes counter intuitive in others, like wearing them for hours at a time can cause a build up in bacteria which you’re inhaling directly which can compromise your immune system and make you more at risk.
And there are many more examples but overall it seems the best course of action is to social distance, sanitize, and wear a mask when the situation calls for it
@Natural Sarcasm , gotcha. I didn’t mean to question you, I’m just trying to stay informed. Regardless, there is still a lot we as a society have to learn, so we must maintain dialogue. Thanks for responding 👍🏻
@dustbunny, I’m all about open dialogue. Feel free to question me anytime, it’s difficult to offend me lol
@Natural Sarcasm , For some people such as myself it can be very harmful to those with respiratory, heart, or circulatory disorders. So saying it is completely harmless is ignorant
@oxVictoriquexo, I never stated it’s “completely harmless” or suggested that there aren’t people out there with these problems. In fact all I asked was what the harm was in a question, not an accusation. I’d prefer if you’d refrain from misquoting and taking me out of context for the sake of calling me ignorant
@Natural Sarcasm , if there were more people like you, our politics would be a lot less shît
@dustbunny, thank you, that’s a very generous compliment. You’re just as much a part of the solution by asking for resources to create your own opinions around. I only wish I could have given you actual sources instead of an opinion on the matter
Just manage this minor inconvenience for a while so there is one less thing our society is fighting about.
China literally has a face recognition software they call Skynet
As long as the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, there's no reason not to let it spread. At least 80% of the population will have to get it at some point.
@Papyru, this right here. Everybody acting like its certain death to catch it. Millions have recovered. People just grabbing at straws.
@Papyru, yeah that’s what happened in New Zealand, 80% of the population got it so now it’s fixed
@HolyCatchphrase, New Zealand is an island in the middle of nowhere, the size of California with about the population of Los Angeles. No comparison.
@Papyru, they have to be handled differently for sure but the point is that they no longer have the virus there because they cut down infection rates until it diminished to nothing. That’s what we should be aiming for, not infecting as many people as possible and accepting that some people will die from that. Herd immunity isn’t a thing with this, by all accounts people can be reinfected, we have to stop spreading it as much as possible. Whatever that means in America, we have to do that. Don’t spread the idea that spreading it “as long as hospitals aren’t overwhelmed” is the way out when we can see by example it’s not.
@HolyCatchphrase, some get reinfected, but the length of time the antibodies can last is going up as the research continues. We will never stop the spread entirely in the US, that's impossible. The culture is different here, people care about actually living their lives and having the ability to decide to assume risks instead of having daddy government do it for them. Not to mention the fact that no one respects our borders. It would help if people didn't go out and protest in droves, but it would be a multi-year lockdown to eradicate it in the US, and even then, I'm sure some would fall through the cracks.
Besides, states are so much different that unless you're referring to a federal law or other federal entity, you can't talk about the US as a whole. Once you've done so, you've lost.
@Papyru, Please tell your doctor about how pretending this isn’t happening is more important than their safety or the wellness of their patients. Ask them how long in the USA it would take for the virus to go away if we could keep distancing and wearing face masks in public. Unless you know that a doctor would tell you you’re wrong and you can’t hear that.
@HolyCatchphrase, No one said to pretend it isn't happening. You're arguing with a strawman now. Also, this just in: doctors are human and know just as much about this as anyone who's read the CDC website. They didn't prepare them for this in med school, because they didn't know it existed. Doctors are also individuals and you can find a doctor's opinion to back up any claim you make if you look hard enough.
@Papyru, so ask your doctor then see if they know more than you. Ask multiple doctors I don’t care
@HolyCatchphrase, you can keep living in your fantasy world if you want. Truth is, no amount of social distancing, mask wearing, or isolation is going to completely get rid of COVID-19 in the US. Even the flu makes a comeback every year. While taking the aforementioned precautions will slow things down so that hospitals don't get overwhelmed so less people die (which is a good thing obviously), they won't eradicate it. Even herd immunity most likely won't completely eradicate it, but it will hopefully make future outbreaks less severe. And I have spoken to my doctor and he told me to read the CDC and WHO guildlines, because that's all the information we have at the moment. Are you a doctor?
@Papyru, I’m not a doctor, that’s why I trust doctors. Who say to wear masks and try not to spread it. You should show me on the CDC or WHO guidelines where it encourages people to let it spread since 80% of the population will have to get it at some point.
@HolyCatchphrase, everything he is saying is right. No amount of precautions are going to stop the virus from running it's course at this rate and with a survival rate higher than the flu you shouldn't hide from it when you don't have serious immune compromising issues. This is the first time we have mass quarantined the healthy, and that is messed up.
@Dephenistrator, I’m going to continue taking the advice of doctors and scientists
@HolyCatchphrase, I'm going to continue doing the same and disregard your fear mongering doctors and scientists
@HolyCatchphrase, can’t decide whether you’re being sarcastic
Of course it's dogstew who crapped this out
@Dephenistrator, Doesn't matter the poster, still makes funny of the morons who don't wear a mask/ would believe this.
Whats sad is theres a good chance I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this. In a modern world with us being more informed, educated and having a better standard than probably any other time in human history... and here we have people throwing tantrums at having to wear a mask during a pandemic.
@bonja, well, now i know another moron that thinks these useless masks are saving lives.
@Dephenistrator, Apart from they do... its more about stopping the wearer spreading it. I don't have any symptoms but thats not to say I don't have it could be asymptomatic.
Now commom way of it spreading is by being in close proximity of someone coughing or breathing who has it like the flu... Its one of the biggest reason health professionals wear masks even before covid because well it makes total sense.
So If I'm going to go into close proximity with people I'm sure as hell going to wear a mask. Even if its 0.1% effective thats still potentially a life protected as instead of having everyone catch it and totally overwhealm medical services we can gradually phase it out.
I mean seriouslly how actually insecure are you that you can't wear a mask for a short period of time. Its such a minimal amount of effort.
@Dephenistrator, with your logic, do you propose that vaccines aren’t helping either? Should we pray all our illness away then? 😆
@The Pun Shielder, praying wont stop political abuse of a virus. Your just trying to lump me with idiots
@bonja, well that right there tells me you don't know what your talking about. We were supposed to lock down for a couple weeks so hospitals weren't completely overwhelmed, not to stop the virus, just spread out its initial infection. Hospitals are doing elective surguries, the USS comfort was not even used in new york (the worst state hit) how was our hospital system overwhelmed?
Insecurity is what the mask is for obviously. It's not a minimal effort, it's not even a surgical mask, it's not even for the same scenario. If you think it's going to save anyones life you're easily fooled.
Btw, asymptomatics cannot spread it without unusual and rare contact like blood. Your information is wrong.
@The Pun Shielder, maybe you can protest away the virus, BLM and the rioters did that to cure it
@Dephenistrator, nah I’d rather use methods with logical sense behind it. Such as not going into public spaces as much as possible, wearing a mask to keep anything from getting on my face from someone else or vice versa, wearing gloves or keeping surface touching to a minimal while practicing hand hygiene.
But even then for me, I work in a hospital. So wtf do I know right?
@The Pun Shielder, I've worked at 2, so what do i know?
@Dephenistrator, nothing much apparently, everything I’ve seen says both people wearing a mask reduces spread by 40-65%
@Dephenistrator, it’s telling when your reply only addresses a personal experience lol.
@Cpzombie, those numbers are absolutely insane
@The Pun Shielder, you didn't add anything, you talked about hospital ppe as if i disagree with that when I'm talking about asymptomatics who virtually can't spread it. Your job doesn't make your points extra legitimate if they are still wrong and ironically I've worked in a hospital and a cancer research facility so that made me laugh.
@Dephenistrator, ah yes because your previous comment was so much more compelling. “maybe you can protest away the virus”. And can you give me anything that backs up your claim of COVID-19 being non-contagious? And I’ll admit even I wanted to delete the last part of the comment as I was posting it.
However you need to realize that even with the bare minimum mask you find, it was found to at least prevent you from spreading anything.
The reason why I related you to antivaxxers and people who pray away diseases is because of how nonsensical it is.
But please, tell me how I’m wrong and how COVID-19 isn’t contagious.
@The Pun Shielder, no, earloop masks block things down to 3 microns, corona is 1.25.
I think it's very contagious. To the point where we find ut nearly every test in antibodies in people who never felt sick. Its largely non lethal so there's no reason to go after the healthy. Funny how the survival rates never make news, almost like it would put a complete damper on the virus' danger to the average person.
Your not wrong as i agree it's contagious, your wrong that it's dangerous to the average person, your completely wrong that asymptomatics can spread it, and every who thinks an earloop mask can help against this is laughably wrong. But none are as wrong as the sickos threatening healthy people with jail time for not wearing a mask. That's sick.
Btw, i could compare you to an antivaxxer for your level of unintelligible fear mongering. It's just as far off as calling me the same
@The Pun Shielder, i would like you to explain to me how many times you have whole heartily condemned the blm protests and riots. They are the reason this hit it's second wave, and yet you go after me for not liking an ineffective mask? All doctors find social distancing more import than the masks, so on every angle that's more serious so why don't you condemn that stupidity more intensely? It's far greater damage than if no one wore a mask
@Dephenistrator, I’m glad that I was only misunderstanding you, I thought you were advocating that COVID-19 wasn’t contagious. And yes I do recognize the fact that the virus is about as lethal as the common flu. HOWEVER that is not the reason why we wear even cloth masks.
Cloth masks do little to protect yourself, BUT they prevent you from spreading it to other people. THIS is why we’re told to wear masks. For we don’t know whether or not we are infected or not until approximately two weeks later.
If you sneezed or were talking with someone, the cloth mask prevents the disease from spreading.
These are the protections I am arguing for.
And I agree that no one should be put into jail for not wearing a mask. We have enough people being put in jail for sh!tty reasons as is.
And once again you drag the protests into this. First off, the looters should be tried. And yes, this is hardly the time for mass protesting.
@Dephenistrator, but what you’re saying is that you can be stupid about health safety measures but people who’re justifiably angry about corruption in our legal system are more at blame?
Please realize that is hardly the main reason for the second wave, because it’s because of people who think they’re healthy and don’t need to follow health safety advice who’re going to the beaches, to malls, to fvcking Disneyland who’re spreading this.
And yes this addresses protestors as well. So why don’t you change your argument from (protestors) with the more accurate (people who’re going to high density public places) because that is the correct answer.
Im not fearmongering, I’m using common sense and decency. If everyone wore their mask, it wouldn’t spread.
You can go onto the CDC to find out that cloth masks prevent YOU FROM SPREADING the disease. Whether or not you think you’re healthy, the symptoms don’t show till much later.
@The Pun Shielder, i could never not blame the protesters as they are actually the very main cause. We were on lockdown, they mash pitted the streets and in exactly the incubation time of the virus another wave spread. Lockdown doesn't matter anymore, at this point if we don't aim for herd immunity we will be stupidity increasing the death by creating an artificial 3rd wave.
As someone in a state were i am now threatened with 90-180 days in jail for not wearing a mask depending on county, i do not find any common sense or decency in this anti science bs. these utterly useless masks will not change anything at this point and I vehemently argue the futility of doing so. These earloop masks DO NOT save lives walking down the street, shopping in the store, or taking out tour garbage. The virus can stay floating for hours in air you breathed out (mask or not, you don't have an oxygen tank) and longer on surfaces so every inch of shopping centers and business in covered in the air you -
@The Pun Shielder, breath out, mask or not.
I am well informed how the masks operate and unless your in a hospital or nursing home or in my case working in IOS7 clean rooms with open patient blood then there's no point.
There's even groups of doctors and scientists that are petitioning to fully declare Corona airborne which would fully explain why it shattered expectations on how fast it spread. It would also further prove earloop masks pointless. So I'm sorry, but your not convincing me that having to wear these masks is going to do crap. You wanna do something then tell the rioters and protesters to stop gathering in deeply infectious masses in every major city while everyone else was in lockdown and tell the susceptible to quarantine.
And I'm sorry but trying i give a crap what they are protesting because the cause doesn't they want doesn't effect infection rates. please don't tell me you are seriously trying to tell me Disney is the infection center for every single state? -
@The Pun Shielder, That's not correct, it is the protesters, without question. The death rate is also seriously lower than last time and the groups of infected younger, the identical average ages for protesters.
I don't care if someone wants to wear a mask, but those forcing it with failed or a complete and total lack of science are being stupid about health and safety
Btw, blm protesters have now killed more unarmed blacks in their protests in the last few weeks than the police did all of last year so go BLM!
Man the comment section is getting spicy
No force them to stop being stupid by any means neccesary
This is what I've been saying all along!!!!