Give unto Caesar what is Caesars...
Quoted when specifically asked about paying taxes.
@That one lurker, how dare you!’
@megamanx181x, oh, I'm sorry I thought everyone was at that part already.
Spoilers for your bible study.
@That one lurker, my favorite Bible quote: “Judas hung himself ... go thou, and do likewise.”
@That one lurker, I, too, take incomplete scripture quotes out of context to support my opinion.
@A Deformed Penis, He didn't though? Matthew 22:21.
And for context feel free to read back a few verses to see where they specifically ask about paying imperial taxes to ceaser.
@That one lurker, But what does it say about not paying Caesar? Checkmate Christians.
Edit: I was joking. I'm a devout Catholic.
@A Deformed Penis, no that's exactly what the verse is about. We also don't know his opinion, he just shared an excerpt from a book.
@kakarot86, which was the governing body over Israel. Biblical Theology would even surmise that honoring your government is the same as honoring your father and mother, as God put you under their care. Doesn't mean you must obey the government if the government compelled you to sin. Also the context of the verse is that the teachers against Jesus wanted to trap him by making Jesus presch against Ceasar.
@That one lurker, kinda funny considering he lumped tax collectors in with sinners. Almost like the Romans changed things to fit their narrative.
@hollow114, only those tax collectors that collected more taxes than prescribed. Taxes at that time were paid but a few individuals (usually extremely wealthy) to the government. They were then given the right to collect taxes for a certain area. For example, let's say the government said my home state of Oklahoma owed $1 billion in taxes. Bill Gates pays it for the right to collect that billion from the citizens. If he collects $1.5 billion, he has collected more than prescribed and is in the wrong according to scripture. If he stopped at the $1 billion, he's okay.
@Hot Coffee, interesting quote. Judas hung himself Matthew 27:5, context: after the crucification. Go thou and do likewise Luke 10:37 context: parable of the good Samaritan. Different books, different contexts, but of course, taking out of context is the forte of those making random points
@A Deformed Penis, the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke all include this quote, it's not taken out of context at all. What has been debated for centuries is the stated meaning vs the implied meaning. But the quote is accurate
@A Deformed Penis, 13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial taxb]" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: normal; position: relative; vertical-align: text-top; top: auto; display: inline;"[b] to Caesar or not?15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”
But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”
“Caesar’s,” they replied.
17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”
The two came to him after he smack talk some priests. Giving an incomplete quote is only bad if you change the context of t
@A Deformed Penis, lol what? Jesus was very specifically being asked about whether people should pay taxes.
@That one lurker, I prefer it worded as: “Render unto Caesar that which Caesar has wrought.”
@Hot Coffee, those are both from two completely different parts of the Bible. It would be like reading a book and stringing together parts that say “in the beginning ” and “the end” pretending there was nothing else in between
@occasionalmutant, I see you are a man of taste and culture! Bravo good sir!
@Mkb617, yeah, that’s the point. You need context to understand anything, and taken out of context, truth can be used to lie.
@18bluecat, It says in the Bible to follow the law set by those who govern the land as well... Read the book of Proverbs and Acts.
@WhatTheDerp, I was joking my man.
For my “I’m fun at parties” moment I offer you:
Any type of fraud is fairly immediately bearing false witness. That’s a thing in the Bible right?
@Canis Arktos, It’s “bearing false witness against thy neighbor”.
Tax fraud is lying about yourself.
@A Deformed Penis, it’s still lying, and lying is a sin, so
@Thane of Deez, nah bearing false witness is very specific. It would mean you lied before a court saying you witnessed your friend do something when you didn’t. Just like “swearing”, you can say f^ck all you want just don’t “swear to G-d” (making oaths you can’t keep) that you will do something as we humans suck at keeping oaths.
@A Deformed Penis, your government is just a collection of your neighbors who agreed to a social contract. Lying on your taxes is lying about yourself, to your neighbors.... which works against their well being.
Im off to be fun at my next party.
The word “fraud” kind of gives it away.
Bible says not to charge interest but my student loans aint ready for that conversation
I’m sure it will work out for his defense in court
It's only fraud if you get caught.. probably
I don't care about that so much as I do about wanting to go apeshjt on bankers.