Could learn to crop at least?
@DrSin, sorry :( I’m just noticing how bad it is now
@DrSin, memes matter
@DrSin, we taught black people to crop and they just got mad. Oh wait the photo....
@steve wozniak, god, Steve....you new?
@steve wozniak, let the shame fill you and do better next time, we have high hope for you
@DrSin, I repent, I repent!
Well theres a racist. And theres a guy with a Confederate flag.
@CocoasBro, I legitimately wanna know the black man's motives for that, not so I can criticize but so I can understand why he backs a flag that's historically associated with his races slavery.
(yes i know there were other reasons for the Civil War; government over reach, economic factors etc. But that's the main go-to that I hear)
@that1german, probably the same reason other rednecks wave it. Its a southern pride thing to my understanding.
@that1german, maybe one of his ancestors fought for the Confederate army. Free blacks did fight with the confederacy
@Teamevolution2, that was later on in the war, correct? Or were there black confederates throughout the war?
@that1german, It was towards the end of the war
@that1german, history is written by the victors.
The southern perspective was the War of Northern Aggression was a fight for State’s rights. Slavery was incidental to the conflict and only used because support for the war was waining in the north.
@Hot Coffee, interesting. I've only recently started living in a state that was part of the confederacy (Texas), so I definitely wanna hear their viewpoints of the conflict
@CocoasBro, waving a Pheneas and Ferb flag has more heritage behind it. The confederacy lasted 4 years. I’m from the south, it ain’t a heritage thing. Now, the Alamo? That’s fvcking heritage. Let’s get more of those flags!
@KoolHandLuke, thats just what ive been told. And i said a southern pride thing not a heritage.
@CocoasBro, The people that say that are A) ignorant to its history or B) racist and don't have the stones to admit it.
Its true history is it was a confederate navel flag of a very small unit that never saw battle. After the war the actual confederate flag was rarely seen. Then in 1948 it started to be used by Strom Thurmond in a push against the Civil rights movement. Thats when the flag we know as the "confederate flag" today became popular. It has nothing to do with southern pride and all to do with white supremacy.
@Thanatoz, wikipedia disagrees with you. That Confederate flag was very much the national flag of the confederacy.
@CocoasBro, we looking at the same wikipedia?
"Though never having historically represented the Confederate States of America as a country, nor having been officially recognized as one of its national flags, the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and its variants are now flag types commonly referred to as the Confederate Flag."
Directly off their site. Granted, the original post wasn't entirely true, but that much was at least.
@Simetricwl , should be im looking at the very first paragraph detailing the three nationaly recongnized flags in the confederacy. Two of which came later are definitely the Confederate flag.
"The flags were known as the "stars and bars" used from 1861 to 1863. (Not the Confederate flag we know of.) The "stainless banner" used from 1863 to 1865. (The Confederate flag we know)
And the "Blood stained banner" used in 1865 shortly before the Confederate dissolution."
@CocoasBro, if you look at the picture of each one, the stainless banner is a large white field with the flag we know in the corner, coming from the inspiration of the Virginian Battle Flag. That's not like a picture sizing thing, that was the actual flag, as detailed in the paragraph about it
@Hot Coffee, ah yes, Fort Sumter got in the way of those peaceful Confederate cannonballs
@Simetricwl , i dont see why that matters in particular.
@Hot Coffee, incorrect. It was the cornerstone of the CSA constitution and secession, and was spoken on MULTIPLE times throughout the war.
I grew up in the south, I was taught all this apologist bs, and I learned how false it all is. Seriously. Read the first few lines in the constitution for the CSA and you'll know it was entirely about slavery for the south.
As for your statement about the North only making it about slavery towards the end, you are absolutely correct
@that1german, well, it will be harder and harder to find it, especially as anything that fails to cast the confederacy in a neutral, or heaven forbid, positive light is almost as bad as murder these days.
When you dig into it, you’ll find the North wasn’t full of saints and the South wasn’t the land of devils. That there was legitimate grievance based on the politics of the time is overshadowed by the presences of slavery.
Here’s a good question to start with: if the war was really about slavery, why did it take over 2 years after the start of the war for the Emancipation Proclamation to be made and why did it only “free” slaves in rebel occupied territory?
@that1german, there is a strong libertarian (ironic, I know) aspect to the confederacy. The overwhelming majority of southerners never owned slaves and if you asked them, they were fighting for freedom from an oppressive federal government that was using an army to enforce its will on people that didn’t want it.
@Sven and Otar, I have read it. You’re missing the forest for the trees. The for the South It was about an economic model and preserving the status quo. This particular economic model was built on slavery, but it didn’t care who was enslaved, so long as someone was enslaved.
I really shouldn’t have to state the following, but do not mistake what I’m say as a defense of slavery or an endorsement for slavery.
@that1german, as a black man who’s lived in the north, south, and everywhere in between, the confederacy is associated with slavery the same way white people are.
And by that I mean it doesn’t represent it at all. The confederacy stands for so much more than just that. It’s been crapped on so much, it’s hard not to see it represent slavery, but my brother-in-law totes one on his truck. He loves it. And there’s been no one that loves me more. Not even my wife 😏
@CocoasBro, because it means that that Confederate flag, the one we know today, wasn't the national flag of the CSA
@Simetricwl , i mean as far as im concerned its basically the same symbol.
@CocoasBro, wikipedia disagrees with you.
@Teamevolution2, “Blacks did not serve in the Confederate Army as combat troops. Blacks were not merely not recruited; service was actively forbidden by the Confederacy for the majority of its existence. Enslaved blacks were sometimes used for camp labor, however.” Yeah bull f*ing sh*t
@Hot Coffee, because slavery wasn't Lincoln's cause. His only goal was to preserve the Union. He put his personal beliefs to the side to try and keep the states together. All of the southern reasons for secession lead back to slavery. The soldiers who fought on both sides were complicated people with various reasons for fighting, but the Confederacy was formed on the basis of black servitude to white masters.
@Hot Coffee, your first sentence is something I’ve always said and could not be more true. The founding fathers were patriots and freedom fighters and went down in history as some of the greatest and most important ppl ever in America... because they won but if they lost they woulda went down in history as traitors and the worst ppl in the history of the British colony of America. Hitler was the most evil man to ever live but if the nazis won the war hitler would be seen as the hero who saved the world from the lesser races that wanted to ruin our pure aryan world (because if he won the only ppl alive today would be aryan even though he wasn’t which is hilariously ironic)
@Teamevolution2, they also owned slaves, but you won't hear about that nowadays unless you research it
@CocoasBro, Pride, not prejudice
@CocoasBro, Upvote. There were numerous southern flags. Why does this one ruffle everyone's feathers? What about Bonnie Blue Flag? People can't look at history with todays eyes. It's a different time, ya know
@UglyNakedGuy, symbols take on whatever meaning people want them to have.
@CocoasBro, i know, its crazy
@UglyNakedGuy, exactly, first legal slave owner in the states was an black man. I also find it ironic that they blame slavery on whites yet no blame is on Africa
@Teamevolution2, yuppers, but it goes against what they want us and our future generations to know and believe so its not mentioned anywhere unless you go looking for it. Its a shame
@ReverseGiraffe, To be specific, in the “Official Records of the War of the Rebellion,” a collection of military records from both sides which spans more than 50 volumes and more than 50,000 pages, there are a total of seven Union eyewitness reports of black Confederates. Three of these reports mention black men shooting at Union soldiers, one report mentions capturing a handful of armed black men along with some soldiers, and the other three reports mention seeing unarmed black laborers. There is no record of Union soldiers encountering an all-black line of battle. Now if union soldiers say they not only got shot at by black men but also captured armed black men who are you to say it didn't happen?
@CocoasBro, silly tit
hahah treason is funny
What a twist!
People of all races are equally as likely to be idiots
Get over it?
All I see is a black American acknowledging history, and a white Marxist who wants to delete history.
That’s not awkward that’s just opposite day
Blacks owned/own slaves.
All “races” have been/are now slaves/ slave owners.
Only racist propagandists attempted/attempt to make slavery a race issue— more specifically a white American issue.
For win/loss, good/bad, there was more to the Confederacy than slavery. While one may desire to know what motives this man had/has for flying that flag, as an American, he is not obligated to tell— so one should ask politely.