If I may offer an opinion about this. I think it's unfair how everyone has been relentlessly attacking Williams. Yes, he lied and screwed up a story. The thing is, lots of high profile anchors have. For another thing, he apologized for peat sake. That's something a lot of anchors will not do. I understand that he was a much more high profile individual than most, but I just think that if Oprah can get away with promoting the Anti-Vaccination movement and vaginal injections, people need to back off Williams.
@anxiousPorcupine , i still like williams, he is a pretty funny guy and he is a hell of a lot better than a lot of other anchors.
@anxiousPorcupine , he didn't lie about a story. He lied about multiple stories. The way he did lie was to make himself look like he was going to dangerous areas to report and to make people think that he had been through terrible things just to make himself look better.
@anxiousPorcupine , i think the point of ordeal is, public opinion is often formed from what is told in the media. And when people look to them on issues like war and gun control/gang violence, lying and feeding them disinformation is doing them a huge disservice. They're being led to believe in threats that aren't even there.
@anxiousPorcupine , He didn't screw a story up. He flat out made it up. And he told that lie several times to the world. He's a serial liar who uses his fabrications to glorify himself and pretend to be a hero. What's worse is that he commandeered real valor from real men who risk their lives to protect him. And it isn't an isolated incident. He lied about his experience with that major hurricane ten years ago an several other things. What does that say about his journalistic integrity?
@anxiousPorcupine , how about you join the military and then see how big of a deal it is to lie about combat because trust me it's a big fvcking deal
@anxiousPorcupine , he didn't even apologize he said he misremembered, if he admitted he flat out lied that would be different
@JackoftheDead, i dont know much about this topic but i do know that we all lie to make ourselves look better. Its called dating.
@anxiousPorcupine , join the military and then take a look at this fvcktard who thinks its okay to make up bs stories, only then will you understand
@anxiousPorcupine , every news caster lies in some way. No matter what news it is, its biased based on the network/anchor's political views therefore the will lie to reflect their views in the news. None of them ever tell the full story.
@anxiousPorcupine , people backed him and then backed out! Like, the pilot, for example, changed his story when another marine stepped forward. No one is hating on that guy for getting his story wrong. Williams was in a dangerous area, and even if he was wrong about what happened, he went to a scary place and saw scary things, and shouldn't be punished so harshly for making mistakes in his story, hell! I can't rememeber where I went to lunch yesterday, his story was from 12 bloody years ago..
@JackoftheDead, honestly I don't believe he lied to make himself look better. People are forgetting he's not stupid. He knows out right lying would get him fired. It was 12 years ago during a traumatic event in the middle of a war. I'm sure after it happened he dealt with it by repressing the memory like many of us do. Then what he remembered 12 years later was definitely off the exact truth. If he wanted to lie, the last thing he would do is tell it to someone WHO WAS THERE. That's why the "lie" got caught so fast. To the guy who said "believe in threats that aren't even there" a helicopter in front of his DID get shot down. There was just as much of a chance that his helicopter could have been shot down too. Threats in a war zone are definitely real. If you think it was completely safe back then in that area then you should consider getting yourself some education.
@TrustMeImTheDoctor, yes thank you some one who understands. All of the people here have "proven" to themselves that he lied to make himself look better. I don't know why people don't understand when the dots seem this easy to connect using like 3 pieces of information, then they're wrong. No body includes the fact Williams "was" a credible person before any of this, why would he randomly decide to change? Why would he lie in the stupidest way possible, knowing if he did he would get caught immediately. That's like eating the last pizza slice in front of everyone and saying it wasn't you, while eating it. No one is stupid enough to make that lie. I truly believe he forgot about the exact details from 12 years ago from a frikkin war zone. Sure it's important to not lie about stuff in a war zone, for SOLDIERS.. IN THE WAR ZONE. They're trained to deal through all the shjt that's happening in front of them because they've seen it irl or in training. A civ like Williams was probably freaki
@BunnyGruff, ing the f out during the ordeal. He probably remembered it initially but he most likely repressed the memory of people dying in front of him, so that 12 years later he didn't get the details right. This wasn't an outright lie, the helicopter getting shot down did happen, and it happened right in front of him. There was nothing to say he would have been shot down right then and there and died. It's not okay to make up stories, but he didn't. This civilian misrememberered something from 12 years ago that honestly doesn't make a difference in the civilian world if he even had been outright lying (in the military yes it does matter but he wasn't in the military) he's not a combat trained soldier and he's not the perfect person with a photographic memory. He's not stupid enough to lie. So he's being blamed for something he is innocent of by people like you. How would you like it if u were innocent and random people who didn't stop to think for 2 seconds judged you and ur charac
@anxiousPorcupine , he's a liar and can't be trusted to report the news. A whole network of people kept the lie going, they should not be supported.
@BunnyGruff, he has been saying it for a while and when you suppress something bad you don't replace it with something worse. There are a lot of intelligent people who lie. Combat training has squat to do with being able to remember clearly. He was a lot closer to it than Clinton's farce. If Brian is flamed for this, Hillary should be a non-starter.
Does this scandal mean Jimmy Fallon won't be doing the rap songs with him any more? :-(
The problem is that news anchors are supposed to be trusted enough to give straight news. If the anchor is a serial liar then that doesn't give me much confidence in what he says (also, political slant aka CNN MSNBC and FOX is different than outright lying). I used to like Williams but now I can't trust him. It's not personal or vindictive.
@Codename Duchess , I think you would be right, if he actually lied. The poor guy forgot the details to a traumatic event that happened to him 12 years ago. I don't think you should shun the guy without looking thru all the evidence first. Did you consider he's not stupid? Why would he lie to someone who was actually there, on air? If he knew he was lying, he would have known he would be caught immediately and fired for it. He's just not that stupid to do something like that. He forgot like he said about the details of something that happened 12 years ago
@BunnyGruff, except for the dozens of other stories that he completely makes sh!t up. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRUwezgTmk
My real name is actually Brian Williams and people are bugging me about this constantly
@s p a c e d o u t, you must hang with a lot of 12 year olds
When are we going to start firing FOX news reporters who make up stories? And by that I mean when is FOX news being shut down?
@Cpt Crunch, last I checked fox didn't lie about being shot down in a helicopter that actual people died in. Also how about MSNBC and CNN those 2 news stations lie just as much as fox. I find this story highly offensive being a marine myself it's a big deal to lie about being in combat situations.
@Cpt Crunch, this has nothing to do with Fox, every liberals answer to everything, Fox lies to
@grunts do it best, Thank you for your service. I'm not trying to say that what I think that Williams did is okay. All the stations do lie, but I'm pretty certain that the general consensus is that FOX is by and large the worst offender. MSNBC probably being 2nd and CNN being 3rd.
@Cpt Crunch, it's what they lie about though the reason why his is so bad is it's not some political finding or some made up poll about how great Obama is or how bad he is, it's about combat and that's why it's a big deal compared to the lies the other news stations come up with.
@grunts do it best, lying about combat is not okay. For soldiers. You assume that he did lie and you didn't stop to think for a second that this guy is a civilian who was most likely traumatized during the ordeal and repressed the memories. There's also the long time difference where he didn't think about what happened every second because he wasn't a soldier, 12 years. If he wanted to lie, he would have lied in a much less stupider way instead of to someone who was there and knowing he would be caught lying IMMEDIATELY. You're a soldier, you know you can't hold everyone to the same level that you are trained for. This poor guy is being insulted by the public for being human. It would be a different story if he actually lied. There's a good chance he didn't considering he's not stupid enough to lie to the person who was actually there. It's more likely that he forgot, being a traumatized civilian. His heli being shot or the other doesn't make too much of a difference in the civilian wo
@BunnyGruff, rld. The message being conveyed is the same. It was dangerous for any American in that region. The message that would have been conveyed if his helicopter had been shot down would still be the same to the civilian world. It would be different to the military. The military needs to know how everything happened and if someone survived, obviously something happened that the military needs to know, like a certain aspect of the helicopter saved him. They need to know the details to improve their aircraft and training. That's why it's not okay to lie in combat. Don't hold a civ to the same level that is expected of you soldier.
@BunnyGruff, listen up fvck face I'm a Marine don't you ever call me a soldier that's army second he no traumatic experiences he was an hour behind the actual heli that was taken down the heli crew even said he lied. He lied about combat plain and simple no traumatic experience for him
@BunnyGruff, you never misremember a traumatic experience every detail haunts you for the rest of your days and In your sleep
@grunts do it best, my point flew right over your head. Why would he lie knowing he would get caught immediately?? He's not stupid. If you stopped for a second to think maybe this guy isn't a liar and he actually forgot you wouldn't judge him so harshly. And maybe the details haunt you, but not everyone is you. People have different ways of dealing. There's traumatic experiences that I've repressed and wouldn't recall every detail if I tried to remember it again. You don't know if he lied or not and you're talking like you're a 100% sure like you've known this guy your whole like. Look I'm greatful for your service but I would be lying if I said people who think like you don't bother the heck out of me. You can't condemn a man just because to you it makes sense that this guy would lie because you've already branded him a coward and self centered asşhole. You can't say for certain that he didn't forget yet if it were up to you, you would have him punished.
@BunnyGruff, The heli crew said he lied are you stupid Jesus Christ are you his boyfriend do you know he's not lying AN ENTIRE MILITARY HELI CREW SAID HES LYING. Now why would they lie hmmmmm answer me that. And you don't repress combat you wouldn't know but you don't
@BunnyGruff, people lie even smart people lie he was trying to build credibility he probably didn't think that heli crew would say anything but they did.
@grunts do it best, if he wanted to lie he would have done it when he reported on the story. I'm defending him because I don't think we as the public should crucify someone when we don't know for sure. This is why in court you are innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure he didn't lie, all I'm saying is we should at least try to give him the benefit of the doubt. You're saying you're 100% sure he did lie when you can't know that for sure. Lying is when you do it consciously and we can't say for sure if he forgot or not. Not even the heli crew would know if he forgot. You can't just say 'you don't forget shjt like that' because there's no scientific study proving that you can't. He didn't lie about it in 2003 when it was fresh in his mind, so did he really 'lie' when recalling it a decade later?
@BunnyGruff, I'm pretty sure a crew of 6 guys know if they were shot down or not. Guess what they weren't the crew of the helicopter he was on said he was lying and Brian himself admitted he did. He knows he lied but the crew didn't say anything until now because he just wrote a letter to them about the incident that's how it came up again. Do some research it's not that hard he didn't do anything illegal but he lied and deserves everything that's coming.
@grunts do it best, and it's not just the heli crew who could have remembered. Anyone could have remembered. Why? Because he was the one who told the public the helicopter in front of him was shot down in 2003. Literally anybody that watched that broadcast could have said, "Hey but didn't you say before that your helicopter wasn't hit?" Not saying it's impossible he didn't lie but we can't know for sure.
@grunts do it best, yea I'm pretty sure they would know as well. But I'm not a 100% sure like you seem to be. You're trying to prove he lied and there is no way you can do that. I'm saying he could have lied but we shouldn't say for sure that he did because we don't know. I'm NOT saying he didn't lie for sure. The reason I'm arguing is because if we condemn Brian Williams like this then what's to stop us from condemning pretty much anyone a liar when they might not be, which could be a very bad thing.
@BunnyGruff, yes he changed his story and got caught. But don't be dense do you really think a remembering problem wouldn't come up in his defense on tv. He lied got caught military personal as witnesses. He didn't suffer anything traumatic so no ptsd can't remember straight bs. Tried to strengthen his credibility and ended up ruining it
@grunts do it best, look obviously you're dead set on believing that he's a liar so I'm done trying to convince you to keep an open mind. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think, we can't be sure if he lied. And if you insist you have God like powers for knowing what's a lie and what's not then go ahead and condemn the man. Just remember this, the day you're 100% sure you know something is the day you'll be a 100% wrong. Always. There's always more to every story, but you've already judged him and tossed him in the trash.
@BunnyGruff, you're right have fun defending your boyfriend I like to believe facts military testimony and the fact he said i misremembered aka didn't tell the truth. But If anything your close minded point of you don't know for sure shows that you don't do research or listen to facts but whatever have a nice day you Nasty civ
@grunts do it best, I wasn't trying to insult you, but seeing how you have no problem attacking me when you don't even know me shows me not only are you closed minded (which you clearly don't know the meaning of), but you're just an asşhole. Heck that's probably why you have no problem shjtting on people you don't know. Even if Brian Williams was a liar, he's still not an asšhole. Maybe you should deal with your personality before naming someone else's.
@BunnyGruff, oooo butthurt now are we awwwww poor kid man the hell bro I'm being an as$hole because of people like you who don't know what they're talking about and insist people who actually experience this stuff are wrong join the military see combat and maybe you'll see where I'm coming from
@BunnyGruff, and I do know what close minded means and I'm not being that I was providing facts which you said didn't matter because I can't know 100% if he lied what does that say about you ignoring what people actually said
@grunts do it best, I'm not ignoring the flight crews account. I believe them. I also believe Williams simply forgot when he was at some random hockey game. He had a chance to lie in 2003 to an actual audience. If he wanted to look better he would have done it then. Not at some random hockey game 12 years later with the pilot who flew his chopper, who by the way could have corrected him at any moment since he was there too, but he didn't, so he must have forgot too. If the pilot who flew the other chopper forgot the details, mainly how his chopper wasn't even hit, how can you expect his passenger to remember.
Hahaha America cracks me up. Don't get me wrong, I live here, but we're so ridiculous, it's just funny. Brian Williams is okay in my book. In fact, I had to read online what this was about. We some petty mother fvckers.
This was hilarious
Brian Williams in every story.