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I hate the term homophobic for a slightly different reason. As a Christian, I don't agree with homosexuality. HOWEVER, (because of people screaming "HOMOPHOBE", I usually don't get 4th this far) just Jesus clearly says to love everybody. No exceptions. I have gay friends. Do I treat them any differently? No. Do I spend all day preaching to them "the error off their ways"? No. For crap's sake, some of Jesus' friends were tax collectors and prostitues (though not at the same time) People have this warped idea that love means believing everything you do. Ok,rant over. Have a nice day
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@Gabuscus, I just can't stand the term "homophobe" because, chances are, they're NOT afraid. Phobias are fears, not disagreements. Calling someone homophobic because they don't believe in one thing, or because they disagree with it, is like telling someone they're (whatever)phobic of anything they disagree with. So you're right, it's annoying when you're called a homophobe just for what you believe in. I mean, if you're a homophobe (not actually calling you one), then that must mean that any gay human that disagrees with the way straight people are, they're heterophobes? But no, they're not, because apparently it's only wrong to disagree with homosexuality.
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@Gabuscus, wow I love what you said you just said what I felt exactly I wish I could give you more than just an up vote. I really wish people would just stop harassing me and any other Christians when we say that we don't agree with same sex marriage or that we're Christian and classified as a homophobe just because we don't agree. Even before the whole gay rights movement happened we were made fun of relentlessly. You could be a atheist Hindu Islamic animist but Heaven forbid if you were Christian.
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@JakobJeanCiccone, wow God bless you Sir/Madam. The whole point of Christianity is to follow the teachings of Christ and learn from the word he came to fulfill. The bible says to love and cherish all of those around you no matter how bad or good they are wether it's in your own eyes or in the rest of the worlds. I don't hate gays and I really don't care if they are around me and I'd never treat them any differently than I treat other people. I might not like what they do and I don't need a holy text telling me not to hate them for it to know that I shouldn't judge them so I don't. The bible even reminds us to hate the sin not the sinner it's our job as Christians to lead people to God not berate them because they live in a way they shouldn't God welcomes everyone from the perfect saint to the most imperfect of sinners. So what you're saying is that Christians are hateful and ignorant when it's actually quite the opposite.
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@JakobJeanCiccone, You are 100% right. You can't pick and choose with religion. However, there are two problems with each of the reasons you just l listed. 1st of all, all of those were commands SOLELY TO THE JEWS. Second off, those are part of the law established in the old testament. True Christianity is following what Jesus taught in the New Testament. Jesus refers to the old testament as factual. But, he states that the law isnt to be a life guide to the gentiles (which means not a Jew). Jesus refers to specific parts of old testament that are still relevant to gentiles. The best example of which is 9 out of 10 of the Ten Commandments. Everything you just said was specifically for the Jews 3000 years ago and have never applied to anyone in christianity. Only the Jewish people before Jesus. Plus, the cutting hair thing only applied to a certain group of Jews called Nazarites, such as Samson. You can't pick and choose, but you do need to have a clue what you're talking about
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I'd like to give some advice, if I could. If I come off as a preachy douche, I'm sorry. Just don't give a shjt who someone is sleeping with, or what religion someone is, or things of that nature. If you are in love with a man or woman, good for you. Please don't make out infront of me cuz that's gross. Gay or straight couples. Don't wanna see it regardless :| everyone could benefit from not giving a shjt (so long as the couple in question are consensual adults).
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@Promiscuous penguin, Not to stereotype (just looking at the numbers) but men are sort of rapey. Women don't say that they're manphobic because they're afraid of being raped but the risk is always there. I personally know what you mean about unwanted male attention though, and although it sucks, you can't fear every male for it just like you can't fear every queer for it.
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@D1ckButt, I know what you're saying and it's not like I haven't been able to make friends with people who are gay, but that's also basically like telling someone who's scared of dogs after being attacked as a kid "not all dogs are like that, your fear is a stereotype." I acknowledge that it's an unfair fear, but that doesn't change the situation.
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I'd just like to toss out an idea... A lot of people aren't against gays/afraid of them because they're afraid they will be converted. It's more that being gay is deeply condemned by many religions, whether or not it's right. People like this tend to see it as a moral problem, that it is morally wrong to be gay. Just sayin' :)
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@ archiethesailor, gay lifestyle will exist wether you like it or not. The bible has no more claim for mortality than the Qur'an (or any other religious book). I never said that straight people shouldn't stop reproducing, I just said it isn't necessary for a relationship to be allowed. That's like saying people who are infertile shouldn't be allowed love.
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@Promiscuous penguin, It does say love your neighbor, There's also "hate the sin and love the sinner." I try to follow these, and obviously fail sometimes. It's not the people I hate, but the act and the fact that they want it accepted. All I want is for people to realize that it's wrong. It's not an automatic ticket to hell, I'm not any better than they are, I can't decide if it's better or worse than another sin, but it is wrong.
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@ archiethesailor, "Trying to keep us from going in the wrong direction" but the problem is, how is it "the wrong direction"? Two people who love each other getting married is somehow wrong? You haven't given any real argument as to how it's wrong. The fact that they can't reproduce is irrelevant because infertile people and women who are post-menopause are still allowed to marry. The "it's-wrong-because-the-bible-says-it's-wrong" argument relies solely on circular logic because nobody has proven that anything in the bible is actually true. Also, the bible is a religious text, the 1st amendment prohibits laws based solely on religion. "All evidence points to God's existence" what evidence can you give that it is your god and not another?
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@ archiethesailor, let me put it another way then. Because as far as I'm concerned telling gay people what they can and can't do is no different than when we were telling black people the same thing. But anyway, if ten years from now the world said "whoa, hey, there's too many people, were overpopulated. Straight people and straight marriage are bad" and the government stepped in saying that straight marriages will no longer be recognized, how would you respond?
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@ archiethesailor, I'm a bisexual atheist. You have absolutely no right to tell me that I can't marry the person I love. It's not wrong for me to marry someone of the same gender, as long as we both love each other. All I want is for ignorant people like you to stop spewing this bs onto the internet and trying to deny me the same rights that you enjoy. If someone tried to deny you the right to marry the person you love because you're a straight Christian, you'd be outraged. That's how I feel in this situation. My personal life and who I choose to marry doesn't affect you in any way, so fvck off and stop trying to make that decision for me.
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@ archiethesailor, Ok Archiethesailor. The new rule is that the moment people start saying that if we allow gays whats next allowing 30 year olds to be with under age kids they are immediately wrong and have lost the argument. It means that you hate for no reason because you don't understand the difference between two consenting adults and a child that doesn't have the right to consent. There is a vast difference and the fact that you try to use that to prove that gave the wrong makes you a failure. I'm
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@Promiscuous penguin, I don't know how I can explain that race and sexuality are different. I'm not telling them to go to the back of the bus, or to use different rooms and fountains, or that they can't vote and become leaders of their country. I'm just saying that they can't have sex or get married. If the world were overpopulated, that rule would destroy our species by preventing a new generation from coming. The new rule would more likely involve sterilization, or limiting the amount of kids you can have (isn't China doing that already? ). I'm sorry if I seem like I'm trying to oppress people, or take away rights, but I'm not.
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@ archiethesailor, theres a reason why children cant legally consent. It is no where near the same as two consenting "adults". If you can't tell the difference than this is the very reason your argument will fail/lose/invalid every time. You have no right to tell adults how to live. But kids cant make good decisions which is why they dont have a legal right to consent to nearly anything.
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@Trust Me, There's absolutely nothing wrong with being attracted to someone of the same gender because who you're attracted to is beyond your control. If it is a "sin" to do something you have no control over, your god is an unjust asshole. It IS homophobia, and I'm taking a stand against you saying nonsensical bullscheiße that causes people to lose their rights.
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I will point out as a straight male that I have been sexually assaulted by a gay guy so I'm a little more uncomfortable around them. Go ahead and call me a homophobe, but it's not like gay people are perfect an can do no wrong. They're like everyone else and deserve as much respect as they give to others
I'm just afraid I might seduce them, despite my being straight, and then they'd have to live in regret.