The best is the look on (insert ethnicity)’s face when they hear their (insert ethnicity) has done, or is doing, the same or worse. They don’t like it much on account of the hypocrisy and all.
@Cave Dweller, It’s almost like humans have the capacity for some seriously fvcked up shjt regardless of how much melanin they have, so shaming people for the actions of others that look somewhat like them is incredibly dumb and pointless.
@Weird Porn Stash, why would you say something so controversial and yet so true
@Cave Dweller, shhhhh it's all white people's fault.
@Weird Porn Stash, I know right. I’ve been advocating to put dogs in charge for years. People are trash but they’re all goodbois.
@BigJohnson86, all doggos are puppers fren, and all puppers are goodbois.
Ignorance is bliss
@seeUpee, that’s my campaign slogan.
@Donald Trump, Promises made, promises kept Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
@seeUpee, what about Steve?
@Donald Trump, smells like...politics 🤮
what about crab people? whooop-woop-woop-woop-woop!
Anyone is capable of committing horrible atrocities or great acts of goodwill regardless of race. Judge people by their actions or dont do it at all.
Yeah white people did some fvcked up sh!t, but so did almost every race in the past.
Speaking as someone descended from Plymouth Puritans, we 100% did it.
@A Deformed Penis, speaking as someone who isn’t can confirm this is the guy that did it. ⬆️
@BigJohnson86, speaking as someone who read the history textbooks, these people are speaking the truth.
Ahh. White guilt, so refreshing.
Well now you know and here’s more FACTS of what you’re ancestors did.
Native American tribes butchered and enslaved each other for millennia before the colonizers showed up.
Muslim tribes ran the slave trade before they ever encountered a white person.
East Asians had slaves before China was even unified.
There is a slave trade currently in existence in the Middle East run by Tsars and Sikhs.
Whereas the first country to ever officially abolish slavery was majority white.
Anyone who thinks slavery is something white people are uniquely responsible for is an ignorant bigot.
Ah yes blaming an entire race for the actions of a few oldbois...if only there were a word for that.
Black people in comments... Durr
Mostly the English.
@Marida Cruz, nah the Spanish were right there too.
@pleroma77, true, but while the Spanish made life incredibly miserable for indigenous people on one continent, the English were busy making life incredibly miserable for indigenous people on every continent.
@Marida Cruz, to be fair the indigenous people made life bad for the english to. They just didnt have the technology to win the war.
@BlazingBowman, the indigenous people probably wouldn't have made life so bad for the English if there first instincts weren't always to either drive them out or force a new government run by the English onto them.
@Marida Cruz, you have an extremely unnuanced view of history dont ya cruz. Let me guess you believe in the small pox blankets? Ya gotta drop this nobel savage idea from your head its historically innacurate.
@BlazingBowman, Africa, India, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, and America would probably all agree with me on a national level.
@Marida Cruz, are you saying that because you think most people agree with you that your right?
@BlazingBowman, I'm saying that the factual histories of those nations proves that I'm correct in saying that the English are responsible for many of these sorts of problems and have been since the moment they began colonialism. I'm not saying they're currently causing those problems, and in not saying they're the cause of most of those problems, but I know for a fact that the English caused more problems for the indigenous people in all of those places than the indigenous people did for them. If you don't believe me, look up literally any factual source you please about English Colonialism and the effects it had on the original inhabitants of those places.
@Marida Cruz, your right cruz the factrual histories show that native americans painted with all the colors of the wind and never knew war before the evil whiteman showed them how. They never once warred with one another or enslaved or raped one another like every other group of humans in all of recorded history. Fvcking lol.
@BlazingBowman, youre completely missing my point if you think thats what I'm saying, and that ignores literally all of the other peoples I'm talking about, as well as the broader consequences that colonialism had. Additionally, you replied so quickly that I doubt you even read half of what I just wrote.
@Marida Cruz, please continue to tell me how problematic colonialism is. Ill sit ane listen in my warm automobile. Recieving messages from you thousands of miles away in a second. With all of human information seconds away at the touch of a button.
@BlazingBowman, yes, all that information is seconds away at the touch of a button. Shame you refuse to look into any of it and instead insist that the genocide and forcible removal from their homes of indigenous peoples was totally fine because they were killing each other already, not even thinking about how unnuanced that is or how similar to colonial era English propaganda it is. Never mind that even modern nations have fought amongst each other in much worse ways without people condoning their slaughter and eviction.
Let me also ask, are you English? Just out of curiosity.
I'd also like to ask if you're fully aware of who Ghandi and Nelson Mandela are and why they're famous.
@Marida Cruz, dude you honestly think they propagandize that the colonists were somehow good? Ive been taught since i was 5 about how evil the colonists were for "taking natives land" but if you compare the colonists to litterally any other group at the time youll realize theyre not especially evil. Hell compared to the other groups around them they were damb right civilized. Despite having the technological edge they still made treaties and acted civily towards the natives of the area. Where other groups would have slaughtered to the last man and enslaved the women they mostly chose peace.
@BlazingBowman, i didnt say they propogandize that the colonies were good, im saying that they did propogandize it while they were colonizing everything. Thats why i said colonial era english propoganda, as in english propaganda from the colonial era. You also still missed the point entirely by not fully understamding the breadth of the consequences English colonization had. Several dozen tribes in Africa were outright destroyed by what the English did there, destroying much of their culture and history with it. Africa still hasnt recovered. The colonization of India similarly did damage to their culture and economy that hasn't yet fully recovered, and mistreated the locals to the point that an incredibly significant portion of the local population were malnourished and overworked, while their English government were all very well fed by the few locals they kept as indentured servants. I'll ask again, are you aware of Ghandi and why he was famous?
@Marida Cruz, yeah whats your point you know how many tribes the fvcking chippewa, and the appachi wiped out over the course of their history? No one knows because no one bothered to count but they were very violent and attacked rapped and enslaved as much as they could. Stop acting like what the europeans did was somehow special. It wasnt. For fvcks sake man take litterally the tiniest minute look into history and youll see that everyone was doing the same exact sh!t.
@BlazingBowman, so its fine for all tribes of all indigenous people to be wipwd out or driven from their homes because a small percentage of them were violent? Also, I didnt say Euopeans, i Said English. and I didn't say what they did was special, I said it was terrible. One group doing something terrible doesn't make it any less terrible for another group to do the same thing.
@Marida Cruz, a small percentage? Dude these tribes warred with each other constantly. Non stop. Many times the allied with the colonists to fight off even more violent tribes. No im not saying it was right im saying singling the europeans out as somehow more violent than everyone else is rediculous, innacurate, and unfair.
@BlazingBowman, I'm not singling out the Europeans, I'm singling out the English, and only because this picture is talking about bad things done by white people. You can talk about how tribes in a specific part of the world dis bad things all you want, but it doesn't negate anything I've said, and pertains to the topic at hand far less than what I'm saying, which is that the majority of cultures ruined by white people in recent history are because of English Colonialism. Not European colonialism, but specifically English colonialism. This is an important distinction because England is only a small part of Europe, and most European countries didn't participate in colonialism at all, or actually did good with their colonies.
@Marida Cruz, what singling out the english makes your point worse not better. The english litterally used their imperial navy might to force the rest of the western world into ending slavery. And at the end of the day th
@Marida Cruz, though they mightve destroyed cultures the people they colonized had better quality of life than they had before often times. Youre picking out one nation to b!tch about that didnt do anything different than any other nation at the time.
@BlazingBowman, the English didn't end world slavery, because I distinctly remember several nations ending their slavery problem on their own. And though they did end slavery in many nations, that absolutely does not change any of the things I've said. Doing something right once doesn't negate any of the things you've done wrong, it just means you've done a bunch of bad things and one good thing. A court wouldn't let a notorious thief avoid going to jail just because he donated a kidney once.
@BlazingBowman, that's a fat lie, as, like I've said, both the peoples of Africa and the peoples of India had much worse quality of life after being colonized, and many areas of those places still haven't fully recovered.
@Marida Cruz, they litterally made it illegal and then sent their ships after slaving ships. Then used their political power to help influence other countries into ending it. Yeah none of these things make them better but thats like picking out a thief that stole a loaf of bread in a room of murder's and thieves and saying you are the most evil. Its stupid and hypocritical.
@BlazingBowman, except this metaphorical thief didn't steal a loaf of bread, they stole several national treasures and burned them. Stop trying to diminish how serious the awful things they've done are. They happened, whether you like it or not, and they won't be less bad just because you want them to be. Don't misunderstand, I don't hate the English. I'm simply saying that they've done a rather ridiculous number of incredibly terrible things throughout their history.
@Marida Cruz, qnd every single other nation has done the same thing or worse. Why is the need to condemn england so high on the priority.
@BlazingBowman, it is absolutely incorrect to say every other nation has done the same thing or worse, and implying they have is simply another way to avoid the truth without actually stating anything that's true. Only a small handful of existing nations have ever done anything anywhere near as terrible, and almost all of them were world powers in world war 2.
@Marida Cruz, it is absolutely true that every single nation has expanded its borders into a neighboring nation and gone to war with it. Almost without exception. The history of mankind is history of death, extermination, war, rape, and theft. Do not trick yourself into thinking otherwise.
@BlazingBowman, not all nations are formed through wars, not all wars involve death, and deaths in war don't have to involve killing citizens or committing genocide. Not all countries have committed atrocities, and not all atrocities are equal in how terrible they are. Again, you're just creating false equivalence fallacies to try and derail my argument without actually disproving anything or doing any research. If you don't believe me, then you don't know world history as well as you think you do. Please, either do some research, or try actually addressing the numerous points I've made that you've conveniently dodged or ignored.
@Marida Cruz, you are naive if you think you can make a place in this world without fighting litterally name any nation and i will wikipedia it and tell you the attrocities it had to commit just to exist. And maybe it isnt how it works all the time now days but especially back then wars were commonplace.
@BlazingBowman, The republic of Venice was a merchant republic that was founded and survived purely through trade.
Australia didn't fight any wars to become a country, and it's army is so pathetic it lost to emus.
Hong Kong has existed almost entirely as a trade hub for the duration of it's existence as a nation, and has no standing army.
Liechtenstein also has no standing army, and is entirely reliant on Germany for electricity.
@Marida Cruz, it helped as a staging ground for the 4th crusade your move. And that was just 10 seconds on wikipedia.
@Marida Cruz, Australia has committed its attrocities against the native people i assure you. Hong kong is fighting to just exist and is basically controlled by communist china. Which we both know commits many many attrocities against mankind.
@BlazingBowman, what about the other three I listed? And what about serving as a staging ground for an army that you have no way of fighting off is an atrocity or even a crime?
@Marida Cruz, because venice existed many were sent to a pointless war. And that was 10 seconds of research into a pointless state that did not last very long.
@BlazingBowman, Hong Kong wasn't always fighting to just exist, and you didn't specify that the country had to be thriving. Australia may have done bad things, but they are an example of a country that didn't have to fight any wars to be founded, which was one of the things you asked for. You haven't said anything about Liechtenstein, once again conveniently avoiding things you can't argue against.
@BlazingBowman, they would've been sent into that war even if Venice didn't exist, because they didn't start that war, the Pope did. Also discovered through 10 seconds of Google searching. A shame you've only just now started googling things, because you've said so many incorrect things in this conversation which can and have been disproved by 10 second Google searches.
@Marida Cruz, like i said rare and far between venice was founded out of the corpse of the roman empire. But still had a standing army to protect itself and maintain order, australia was born after world war 2 and still racks up attrocities and death, hong kong can barely be considered a sovereign nation. And i didnt look up liechtrnstiend because its hard to spell and im getting ready for bed.
@Marida Cruz, where is venice now dude. Its fvcking gone. One of your best outliers and its gone what happend to it cruz!
@BlazingBowman, you didn't say rare and far between, you said there were none. And these aren't the only ones, just the only ones I know off the top of my head. Venice also wasn't founded out of the corpse of the Roman Empire, Byzantine was, and regardless of Venice's roots it is an individual country that didn't fight any wars to be founded or commit any atrocities. If we start counting all the atrocities of all the people who came before a nation towards what that nation has done, then you'd be just as guilty as every single one of them, or at the very least your home country would be.
@BlazingBowman, you didnt specify it had to exist now, you just specified it had to be a country that existed. I'd also note that every country dies eventually. The Roman Empire and Macedonian Greece, were both massive countries that were flourishing both economically and culturally for most of their history, but they're gone too now. The US will be gone eventually too, and so will the UK, the EU, and China. History isn't about what's around now, it's about everything that's ever been around. The fact that you felt the need to resort to this proves how flimsy both your argument and your knowledge of what you're arguing is.
@Marida Cruz, look dude if you want to believe that everyone except a handful of western countries hold hands all day singing koombaya and frolicking in the forests of happy trees be my guest. Im heading to bed
@BlazingBowman, once again, you're claiming that I've said something that I've never once even so much as implied. Next time you try to initiate an argument with someone and then force it to drag on for hours, please actually learn how to debate and do real research first so it doesn't last forever and doesn't leave you and the person you're arguing with insanely frustrated.
@Marida Cruz, the only fools here are the ones who type essays on a meme app
@RomeoStealYoGurl, you win
@Marida Cruz, I'm surprised BlazingBowman isn't more mentally fit given all the mental gymnastics he's constantly doing. The "alternative facts" are the only kind he hears. If it doesn't fit his narrative or how he already thinks of the world, it cannot be allowed to enter his ears or eyes. If he's losing an argument he goes straight to his clans backup plan, what-about-ism. I applaud your stick-to-itiveness for trying to inform someone who is incessantly willfully ignorant. You did well and he danced around like a rabid jester, and while he wasn't technically wrong about anything general, he completely failed to argue factually and on point.
@Marida Cruz, as a native American. I can confirm that it was not genocide. It was war. Around 50% of natives died and 30% of colonist died. I'm not saying the war was just but, it was a war we're both sides fought.
@Marida Cruz, dont forget the French Germans Dutch and Portuguese and Spanish!
@RomeoStealYoGurl, I didn't start the fire.
@pawn of life, they weren't the ones I was saying suffered from genocide. Look up what happened to African tribes when English government took over, but only if you're okay with making yourself angry by reading something.
@Marida Cruz, not relevant to the point I made. We get it white man bad.
@pawn of life, I think it's fairly relevant to the point you were replying to, though, as it was what I was referring to when I made that statement.
@Marida Cruz, ok
@Marida Cruz, WE DIDNT START THE FIRE, IT WAS ALLWAYS BURNING SINCE THE WORLD WAS TURNING
@Marida Cruz, all you do is move the goalposts so Boone can score a point. I don't know about the rest and am not able to talk about it. But I do know about this point. And instead of having a conversation with me. You shift the goalpost to another subject. All I stated was that it was a war not a genocide. If you stopped acting as if your smarter than everyone maybe we could teach each other something. But I see now you have no interest in what others have to bring to the conversation. I hope you learn humility someday. A little will bring you far
@pawn of life, no idea what you mean here, since ive never even touched the goalposts. Its BlazingBowman who started the argument, and him who was constantly changing the point of the argument. I've been arguing about the same thing the whole time. And I'm not pretending to be smarter than anyone, just listing known facts about history to prove points in an argument about history.
@Marida Cruz, tell that to someone who didn't read the convo.
@pawn of life, I already tried to, but he just kept rambling for hours and it got frustrating.
@pawn of life, also, if you look at my original comment and all subsequent comments, my point was and remained throughout the entire argument that the English did terrible things to indigenous people. That's it. It had nothing to do with what those people did, or what any other groups did. BlazingBowman was presumably trying to argue that the things the English did were not terrible because the people they did them to were already doing similar things, which somehow justified it.
@Marida Cruz, so did everyone else. All groups have good guys and bad guys. To condem an entire race for the actions of a due is pure racism.
@pawn of life, yes, all groups have good guys and bad guys. I'm not condemning anyone, simply saying we should acknowledge the bad things that have happened in the past and their impact on numerous cultures and societies, and that we should remember the good and the bad and not claim the bad wasn't so bad just because the good happened, because that's how history repeats itself. My original comment was meant partially as a joke, because I'm an American with mainly Irish ancestry, but BlazingBowman started arguing that they didn't do anything wrong, which is absolutely false.
@Marida Cruz, unlike you acknowledging that the atrocities my people made?native Americans raped they pillaged they murdered they perform human sacrifices. Unlike the Europeans. These for the points brought up to you. You did not want to listen. I guess the Europeans did things far worse than human sacrifice! When fighting a war. Go ahead and respond. Get the last word. I've said what I wanted to.
@pawn of life, you dont understand Native Americans at all if you blindly lump them all together like that. They werent a singular entity, they were dozens of seperate tribes, many of which had absolutely no contact with each other, and only a small handful actually committed atrocities. There was a large collection of northern tribes who not only lived completely in peace, but also created what would become part of the basis for American democracy.
Also, claiming I didn't listen is simply false, because I absolutely did. It's just that you yourself are presenting an opinion that seems just as unnuanced as what BlazingBowman said, in that it's implying that what the English did is somehow okay because a couple of indigenous tribes did really bad things.
@Marida Cruz, okay so the native American knows nothing about native Americans. There's no convincing you.
@pawn of life, nice to see you're trying to argue by playing the race card rather than acknowledging or rebutting any of the points actually presented to you.
@Marida Cruz, no I'm agreeing with you. I know nothing about native Americans it's not like my parents didn't tell me thinks or my grandparents. This is actual relevance. I'm just done arguing. are you saying that native Americans didn't do any of those things that I said they did. Anyways go ahead and condemn the son for the sins of the father.I only responded because you personally insulted me after I told you I was a native American you said I knew nothing about my people.
@pawn of life, no, you're being a sarcastic twat instead of acknowledging any of the points placed against you, and focusing on a tiny phrase within the argument that wasn't even remotely related to the point of the argument. And if you know so much about Native Americans, what tribe are your ancestors from?
@Marida Cruz, dude haven't I told you I'm done with this convo like twice before? And Zacatecas. Go ahead and look them up but leave me alone plz
@pawn of life, you have, and then you continued arguing both times.
Also, Zacatecos weren't native American, they were Mesoamerican, and would've been at the mercy of the Spanish, not the English.
They were also incredibly peaceful and committed no atrocities. Their only war was against the Spanish to defend their home.
They also haven't been around for hundreds of years, and only their descendants remain, which means you're not native American, you're Mexican with Mesoamerican ancestry.
@Marida Cruz, you are a very dishonest debater, when you one minute talk about other people acknowledging the past and then turn around and dismiss talks about Native American atrocities by claiming that only a small percentage of them acted out. Warfare between tribes was a natural thing for millennia. Tribes that were not violent were wiped out by tribes that were, and the survivors enslaved. Human sacrifice is something many tribes participated in.
They didn’t do these things because they were inferior, they did them because they were uncivilized.
You have an extremely ignorant view of the past because you very clearly are not willing to look beyond your biases. You dismiss anything that you disagree with, and think staying in your echo chamber makes you right. It doesn’t.
Cuz mean. Slaves and conquering were invented by the white man of course.
Humans have been garbage for most of history. Still are in a lot of ways. Shouldn't ignore it, but not worth feeling guilty about
Yea see I’m probably the only individual here who fits in the definition of caucasian. I am Armenian and Armenia is actually right in the Caucus region along with Georgia and Southern parts of Russia. So no Caucasians are not responsible for what happened to the Natives. Those are European colonialist scums. ✌️