So quick question: if in the future we can manipulate genes so that gender is back to being only binary (XY and XX) how soon will people riot because it counts as “genocide against trans people”?
I’m worried that this whole gender identity issue will remove the fact the hormone therapy and being trans is a medical procedure, a cure to an issue.
“We can prevent future generations from experiencing that intense level of confusion.”
“You’re just a bigot out to get us. We have a history, a right as a people, to exist!”
“You exists as you are because of science; you’re not a people, you’re a medical solution.”
Then again maybe I’m just tired and over thinking things.
@Sambob, look at the occurance of homosexuality in other species with stable populations.
@Tick, homosexuality and gender dysphoria are two separate things.
@Sambob, I would argue that mutilating one's genitals in a "transition" isn't a cure, but rather feeding into one's mental illness in an unhealthy way. It seems to me that this is being normalized as a political cudgel.
Suicide rates don't go down after transition and after transition you're stuck with serious medical and financial burdens and can never have children of your own.
@Sambob, There are tons of hypotheticals that could ruin the world, but hopefully we won’t get there. With new hearing technology the Deaf community is threatened and many choose to continue being Deaf. It’s just an example of change you think people would be down for but actually causes a backlash.
@Sambob, I think the trans ‘issue’ would be completely solved by the invention of some form of a transformation booth. If we are able to reconfigure the basic composition of a living organism (without killing it in the process), then a human could actually change from one sex to the other. At that point, transgenderism would become obsolete.
To what extent this would happen would depend on the level of technology. If we had a genuine transmogrifier, people would be able to alter their physical sex, down to their chromosomes, at any time.
Of course, such technology would also introduce entirely new problems, such as difficulty maintaining identities and the prevention of identity theft. This is simply the nature of all technological leaps. Pros and cons.
@Sambob, start writing a similar thing to the Nuremberg laws, trans are the new Jews. Wait what
@Toasted Ravioli, I don’t mean to kill them, I’m just saying that if they identify in a way that’s not valid, they get punished by not getting provided services that real genders have. So this thing gets repressed.
@Tick, I heard on an episode of CSI that bulls turn gay when they’re kept with other bulls (such as at a rodeo), so in order to extract semen for breeding a prize bull they have to fit an artificial vagina to another bull for him to go at.
@Sambob, I know this is hypothetical, but people transition for for so many more reasons than just chromosomal abnormalities. Even if you could also regulate hormone levels I supect people would still want to transition. I figure, if they're doing what they think will make them happy, and it's not hurting anyone, then why stop them? But the implications of what you're implying I think span beyond changing gender. It could open a world of possibilities.
@I can spell, oh I would never claim to completely understand why people transition. I also understand that if we could modify genes to this extent then there would also be other implications.
Also I wouldn’t be too sure about the whole not hurting anybody aspect: even without bullying trans people are still committing suicide, most putting t down regret.
My tired mind’s point was, if this became a viable alternative to early hormone therapy and current treatments, would members current trans community feel threatened that their numbers are diminishing? Given current social politics there would be a divide between what we know as trans now and what would “gene-trans” communities if one grew in number and another died out.
@Sambob, I think it depends. If the technology for sexual reassignment progressed to the point where one can actually swap ones sex (as opposed to now where the extent of possible transition is based on how masculine/feminine the starting point is, and that even then the progression isn’t very far), then the demographic of trans people that would continue to raise a fuss would be the demographic for whom their gender identity is more of a means by which to make themselves special than an actual disconnect between the mental gender and their physical sex.
The phenomenon is still not very well understood.
@Doctor Krieger, I'm aware. I posited the information I did so that it could be added to considerations. It is relevant in that it demonstrates homogeinity developing naturally over time and the acceptance of the processes involved will effect this subject directly.
@Sambob, as a undergrad looking to go into gene modification, this is the type of shjt I contemplate. Also, gene modification also brings up the possibility that instead of discrimination by race it's discrimination by how "pure" your genes are.
@Sambob, with no way to breed hopefully these ppl just die out slowly
@Toasted Ravioli, the problem with this argument is that determining which values are valid is almost entirely subjective.
The reason why I don’t consider trans-racialism a thing is because there is not social construct regarding race. Race isn’t how you feel, your skin colour doesn’t dictate what types of clothing it is acceptable for you to wear or the acceptable manners you can behave. Trans-racialism is the result of a lack of understanding of the basis of race, and is an extremely recent phenomenon that I believe can be linked to increasing millennial feelings of unimportance and a desire to be special. Whereas transgenderism is a phenomenon observed for generations.
There’s a line to be discovered here between simple self expression and delusional points of view, and the line isn’t really clear when it comes to transracialism.
Having said that, the line becomes extremely clear with trans-agism. If someone identifies as a different age, they are either playing a part for
attention, or are simply insane. In either event, this should not be tolerated. This is an actual threat. If my children, or my brothers children were attending public school and said school allowed a fifty year old man to attend under the guise of a six year old girl, I would immediately pull that child out of the school. That’s enabling psychosis and cultivating an unsafe environment for ACTUAL children.
Everybody who is no longer young would like to be young again, at least sometimes. It’s a fact of life. Facts matter more than feelings, and anyone who disagrees with that needs to grow the fück up or go the fück away.
@Sambob, I see gender as the perception of ones own sexuality, which is not determined by your chromosomes. Sex is determined by your chromosomes, so you are talking about sex, not gender.
@Sambob, that's how I feel about that down syndrome guy trying to convince politicians not to approve a genetic test so that downs syndrome can be caught before birth or something. Obviously nobody is against people with down syndrome but if that birth can be prevented than it will avoid a lot of suffering
@I Are Lebo, the government’s solution to your scenario would be an implanted tracker for everyone so all can be kept track of. Which basically means people become sheep. Yay future!
@Child Slapper, alternatively we could end up with identification chips that don’t include trackers.
They’ll be provided to us by private corporations that will monitor everything we do, instead. Fun!
@Samblob, saw this and thought, wow, they just granted the Nobel Peace prize to scientists that can now manipulate genes, yes gene editing is real now. Though you may be right with the people rioting and stuff but your gender identity is not in your genes, your genes can’t really tell you that you how to act like a boy/girl but definitely gives you the appropriate hardware, like what genitalia you have, the software, like identity, is environmental. So hopefully this answers your quick question here from the future. If there is a gene that controls gender identity, it would mean that certain enzymes/proteins effect this gene, it would mean it’s something we are eating that dictates our identity...
I believe the kids call it “transtrenders”
@Bad Boi Jesus, I like that. It’s catchy.
Trans people don’t go around telling others they are trans let alone transitioned, they mind their own business and majority will just say they are the sex they are. They don’t want to be broken down as what they use to be and are now. I think this keeps getting mixed up with the gender fluid and whatever I identify with crowd
@megamanx181x, you're making just as big of a generalization by saying that they don't do that. A lot of them do. Some of them spend their entire day getting in people's faces about it.
Why can’t a person accept that they’re trans?
Not all of us care if you accept us
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@thegermanman927, love the avatar.