If you think ww3 is gonna happen your not that bright. Iran simply isn't capable, if your talking china or russia butting in then we can start talking but this is ridiculous as it stands.
@Dephenistrator, China and Russia are Iran’s biggest allies. Since Ideology is stronger than economics, it’s possible it could spark tensions, especially with China and the US defence of Taiwan. WWIII likely won’t happen, but it seems like the world is itching for a reason to war.
Plus due to the 70 years of “relative” peace amongst world powers (excluding the Cold War, as it was predominantly USA V. Russia via proxy wars), it’s possible a war could happen, which usually does after moments of “peace”.
But yeah, if Russia and China don’t do anything then I don’t see WWIII happening.
@Baby Cthulhu, war and peace always come after one another. The newest factor for this long peace period between major powers has sadly been mutually assured destruction. If nuclear weapons didn't exist, the major powers would have fought it out again already.
You also need to factor in that Russia is a bigger mess than it looks and war with the US wouldn't go well on many levels. Threat of being strong and messing up weaker nations is more their capability level. China is becoming a more serious economic power, but their military tech is either far behin us or older stolen tech. It would be more threatening than Russia but they have to know better that they can't beat us.
Finally, what would actually happen? Russia or less possibly based on recent history, china would send reinforcements and the US would back out and again? That's also not WW3 material. And Iran is cussing up a storm but they aren't shooting (and missing) anymore. If Iran doesn't shoot again this is over
@Dephenistrator, Iran just shot down a US airliner.
@Ze Grammar Nazi, they shot down a Ukranian airliner
@Dephenistrator, My bad. Ukraine airliner.
@The nOly One, they shot down a ukranian plane taking off from their own country just mere hours after the 15 missles. Your probably hearing it fresh because people are starting to more bluntly accused Iran of shooting it down instead of the engine fire they claimed it was
@Dephenistrator, but what if they had STANDO POWAH
@Prince super Vegeta , then we would air drop chuck Norris and send them to Helheim.
Going to be a good year. Trump may have crippled irans "militia" by cutting the head off the snake.
A small historical lesson on War. If you start killing leaders (i.e. Generals, Lieutenants, Sargent's) people don't want to fight you or have you around.
Iraq pulled their request for aid. The reason why we're still there. No we don't have to be. We can leave!
@That one lurker, that and were the dominant power...
@That one lurker, there’s also a lot of negatives for killing Suleimani, first and foremost he was going to Iraq to negotiate deescalation with KSA, an American ally. It’s likely the US was privy to this information, and this discourages other countries and americas enemy’s from even considering going to the negotiating table. Secondly, this has lead Iran to restart their development of their nuclear program, and their IRGC will likely gain more influence in Iraq with the US effectively being kicked out for this strike. Thirdly the loss of a foothold in Iraq, combined with the withdrawal from Syria there is now an anti Saudi/Anti Israeli bloc from Iran to Lebanon, predominantly influenced by Iran and Russia. So while this past week has provided short term victories in the killing of a top general, in the long term it’s been damaging to US policy in the Middle East. Though for non interventionists it’s a worthwhile trade, apart from the threatening war crimes thing, that’s screwed up.
@Spetsnaz , I don't know what to tell you man. You're so wrong on so many levels.
1.salami attacked a US Embassy. Bragged about how America do nothing about it. Got blown up.
2. He was on the way to a us ally, to show them how weak the great Satan was, and got blown up.
3. The US enemies are not afraid to come to the table to negotiate.
4. Iran never stopped nuclear weapon building.
5. The "militia" terrorist group IRGC has lost their cultish leader with no successor.
6. The Ayatollah has been using deadly force to stop protest. The protests are not slowing Down. Each protest racks up 1000 casualties each.
7. Iraq "kicked" the US out because the militia group that was with bologna at the time was largely made up of their defected citizens.
Lastly the IRGC is a religious fundamentalist group that believes that other sects of their own religion are infidels. They are an Islamic death cult that will burn themselves out before to long.
@That one lurker, it’s difficult to describe how misinformed you are. I’ll try to address everything.
1) he did this via proxies, but yeah.
2) that’s patently false. Iraq and Iran both stared he was going to negotiate a deal with KSA on Iran behalf. Not sure where you’re getting that information but it’s false.
3) the taliban literally refused to meet for an agreement less than two months ago for that exact reason. So yeah, they are.
4) they didn’t create any enriched uranium for nuclear weapons while they abided by the nuclear deal. After the US reimposed sanctions they had no incentive not to, so they restarted.
5) accurate characterization, but they already have a successor in place, his name is Esmail Ghaani
6) yeah no problems here, that’s all accurate
7) no the US was kicked out because the strike breaks international law and Iraq’s government was trying to balance an alliance with both the US and Iran. Killing their allies commander, even though he deserved it, was a big F U.
1. He's a general, you could say that about any general.
2. You. I had no idea, and no interest in knowing where he was going. If he was heading to a US Ally why would you not expect him to try to muddle our relationship with allies.
3. You're patently wrong, Trump tryed to call a meeting. The Taliban took claim of a terrorist attack. Trying to give themselves leverage in negotiations. Trump called the peace talks off.
4. It's been found out and has become common knowledge that they never ended there programs to make nukes. Even under the "nuclear deal".
5."with no successor" the implication being an assigned successor. Pigs n'a blanket didn't hand pick him to be next in line. Someone else did. Ergo, no line of succession.
7. You do know Iraq asked us for aid in the conflict. The thing that pushed the removal was the fact that bratwurst brings Fanatics from all over the world. Several of the men in the Caravan was Iraqi citizens that joined him. That's why it may beCriminal
@That one lurker,
1) no, he did it with literal proxy forces, troops not directly under IRGC control.
2) so you had no idea what he was doing, and now you’re trying to tell me, who did, why he was there? Come on.
3) they committed the attack after refusing to meet at camp David, specifically because they were certain it was a trap.
4) That’s just a talking point. They made uranium for nuclear power, but still adhered to the treaty until the US went back on it, the UN and western observers even toured Iranian facilities.
5) I mean it’s a military branch, the man that was selected was because he was the night highest ranking official, kinda like... a line of succession.
7) Iraq asked us for help against ISIS. Then we bombed the commander of the largest ground force that aided them in that conflict. Iran and we were fighting for influence over Iraq, while Iraq balanced our interests, And we’re now leaving them to Iran’s sole influence.
1. I'm saying it's stupid to make such a difference over such minutiae.
2. For all his faults, a lot of faults, I can see beanie weenies as a smart guy. He's been a major player since 2002. To look at him and his goals and not see his movements and motivations as a calculated move. Would be insulting to hot dog.
3. They're radical terrorist. If they would be afraid of anything. So let's agree to disagree on this. Several other presidents had leaders killed for far less. So why think Trump different.
4. So no Intel was going into making rockets while they was learning to enrich uranium?
5. He was a force of personality. A culty head leader that was the second strongest might in their own government. He wasn't his possession, he made the position mean something. Putting virgin general in where they needed the hand picked Chad is not going to cut it for the cult.
7. Dude, they're not defenseless. And it's not like we'll no longer be allies. Give them some credit.
@That one lurker,
1) no that minutiae is how countries avoid direct involvement
2) his objective for the visit was to negotiate with the saudis through Iraq, anything else could’ve been done remotely.
3) my point was and is, nobody is coming to the negotiating table after this. It’s the precedent this sets.
4) enriching uranium for Nuclear power vs nuclear weapons is radically different. Like building an engine out of iron vs building a axe. The process is clearly differentiable.
5) well his replacement is from same generation of Iran Iraq war vets, and is similarly highly regarded in the IRGC
7) they’re pretty weak to Iranian influence, 70% of the country is Shia who were oppressed for decades. And they’re kinda defenseless tbh. They nearly fell to ISIS without US, Iranian, and Kurdish help, Iraq’s govt is not a stable one.
1,2+5. So we conclude this guy is the face of the country. When he does things personally, and not through proxies, it means something. So he sits higher then the position he holds. So he can't be so easily replaced.
4. Do you got a better analogy? You're making my point here for me.
7. I'm fine with your stats. I'm not fine with the implications. I don't like Islam, I don't like the collectivist ideas in Islam and how they treat others. So I like thinking that individual muslims have more agency then that.
Oh lord people, why the politics talk? I've never ever wanted to delete this app until this year :( (I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND ALL HUMANITY)
@The M Hive, it’s what’s trending , yo
This has already been a straight disaster, i new dec 31 i didn't wanna live to see this year.
Im ok, i have a child, i don't have the luxury of surrender. Just wanted to Express my disgruntled feelings as i have no friends.
Simmer down now- there is no war
Yeah, Iran doesn’t have the resources we have. Kinda like how we had the clear advantage in Vietnam and...oh never mind.
@chichi78, unlike Vietnam , there isn’t any trees for the goat lovers to hide in