The extra frames still doestnt help that you're shjt at gaming
@AliG, who cares? Even crappy players that only occasionally play single-player games can appreciate a higher framerate.
@AJ Fowl, i have played on a framerate of 30 and one of 45 myself...i prefer 45 or higher.
@Blackfrost273, I knew that I preferred 60 over 30, but it wasn't until I played Dark Souls 2 on PC when I found that transition that happens at 45. I can see quite a difference in smooth movements going from 30 to 45. I don't notice a huge change from 45 to 60. I bugs me because I see at these developers not reaching 60, so they lock the framerate to 30 instead of 45.
Human perception works on a logarithmic scale, which makes for some interesting experiments and studies. Easiest way to understand it is if you look at a room with a bunch of lightbulbs in it: if I turn on one lightbulb, then two, the difference is more noticeable than going from 99 to 100 bulbs.
In the case of FPS, a change between 20 and 30 is extremely noticeable. However, it tapers off at about 30. Afterwards, the effects are barely noticeable.
60 FPS is nice because it feels smoother, but in reality it doesn't have much of an advantage.
@Ultimatum, On that note, however, there are many games on consoles that run at 60 FPS; a prime example being Halo 5
@Ultimatum, most of the world works on this scale. Even small children can observe this until they are taught maths. They will say half of 9 is 3.
@Ultimatum, 30 to 60 is double, even logarithmicly, that's a noticeable jump in an FPS.
@Ultimatum, except when I had a 60fps monitor this thing called "tearing" was unbearable. I now have a 144 fps and don't notice it as much but when it comes to computer gaming tearing is annoying.
@Jyu Viole Grace, what's tearing?
@KingofFunnypics, it's when a previous frame still shows on half of the monitor while the next frame loads in, so you get these lines that are most notable if you move back and forth quickly.
@Jyu Viole Grace, ouch
@Ultimatum, 60 fps is the chosen number because it's double+ what the human eye can see, which is all you need to be able to start seeing natural motion blur. People usually go for 70+ because then you have a little bit of buffer room incase your frames randomly dip for a split second before your motherboard reroutes more power to you video card. Once it begins to dip below that half way mark you start to see "image doubling" where the image lasts two frames of your eye sight even when the actual frame changes or changed already (which is mostly due to the fact you are looking at many light sources that activate a rod/cone that takes a quick moment to deactivate once activated). The only time one would consistently need higher than 60 fps is when things are zipping across the screen and computer generated motion blur doesn't exist.
@The Megaton Bomb, all true
@Ultimatum, I dunno, I've been a PC gamer for a while and I've noticed FPS differences all the way up to 200FPS. Maybe it was just my imagination or maybe I'm a super hero.
@Zephyr48, or a super NERD! (Got em)
@The Megaton Bomb, Even then, fps that's too high can cause headaches without motion blur
@Ultimatum, watch VSauce's video on "What is video" to learn more about it
@Ultimatum, same could be said about a strobe light, difference is instead of faster, the strobe does it brighter.
@the fork, the thing is, the scale the mind works in is generally in triples. That's why, as hollow114 said, small children will say that 3 is half of 9 until they are formally taught otherwise. Because 3 is 1 tripled and 9 is 3 tripled.
@Gay Ninja, it's because 3 is half of 9 logarithmicly.
@The Megaton Bomb, that's not true at all. The human eye can see much higher frame rates than that. I actually have a YT video explaining frame rates. The Fork Drawer is the channel. Not trying to promote it, it's just relevant and easier than typing everything I've already said.
@Xalvayne, I agree. Why can't everyone just like what they want to without others mocking them?
@Lexaeus, its not mocking. It's developers being lazy when they could make games at 60fps.
@Lexaeus, I believe that this pic is specifically referencing a common rebuttal by console players when told that a good PC can easily get up to 60 fps. Not really mocking, just a visual example of willful ignorance
Reasons why I bought a pc
@Johnv025, Amen. Another pc gamer like myself. What are your specs?
@MrN1pple, LAPTOPS 4EVA
well... I'm in college. And a stationary device is a no go.
@KingofFunnypics, I find laptops often can be cheaper than a pre built pc
@hollow114, oh yeah. In some cases. But if you can, you should build a PC.
@KingofFunnypics, true. But I found that a slightly used laptop can be cheaper than that. Like I got an open box Asus G for 900. It had a 480gtx in it. When it was new
@hollow114, true. Laptops are nice. They have flaws, but they work well.
@MrN1pple, rocking an Nvidia EVGA 980ti SC AC+ 2.0 with backplate, Intel i5 4690k, G. Skill ripjaws 16gb DDR3 RAM, Asus VII hero maximus mobo, WD 2tb HDD caviar black, and a Samsung 512gb SSD. Took a long time but it was worth it in the long run!
@KingofFunnypics, just got a open box Kingston hyperx cloud 2. 60bucks open box. Always go open box.
@MrN1pple, PCMR brother! I7-6700k, 2x Radeon HD 7970'S, 32GB DDR4 @2800mhz, 250gb Samsung 840, and some other HDDs.
@MrN1pple, I have duel 760s but I don't know how to get them both to work together so I'm getting a 960 soon
@cbreitenfeldt98, ok, so I did build my pc. I am on an extremely limited budget though, hence why I have a single gtx 750 ti and a pentium g3258 (overclocked to 3.8) with 16gb ram. (also a 250gb ssd and 750 hdd.) But I don't need them fancy high end specs to have a good time. I'm replaying fallout 4 on high graphics settings and I never dip below 45, i stay at 60fps.
Is there something wrong with 30 fps? I've never had a problem with it
@Maturity, nothing specifically wrong, it can just annoy your eyes or look weird if you pay attention to it
I'm not going to lie I don't know how games look on a gaming computer. Regardless though the idea of having to keep my hands on the keyboard and on the mouse seems rather painful for extended gaming sessions. Again I haven't played a game on a gaming computer just a normal computer so I can't really say one way or another I am just saying it seems like it would be inconvenient.
@George Feeny, that's why the chair that you're gaming in is an important investment. For me, it's the arm rests that are the most important feature of the chair.
@cbreitenfeldt98, that make sense. I was just thinking like a normal office chair and was thinking how awful it would be lol
@George Feeny, I have a normal office chair and it's not so bad, but you can also connect Xbox controllers or other peripherals if you really miss the controller.
I personally use wrist rests and a Nostromo game pad with an Logitech gaming mouse and mappable buttons.
Makes things a bit easier if you can adapt to it.
@George Feeny, it's actually really comfortable. It feels like you have more power.
Both eyes together makes 60 fps
@Nikm, people with glasses see 120 fps
@That Wolf Furry, I wear contacts. When gaming, I use reading classes. So is that 240 fps?
@Nikm, I had Lasik eye surgery, I can see up to 300fps now.
The human eye can see (with in reason) unlimited FPS. However, the distance (from what we see) of 60fps and 1000 FPS is practically unnoticeable because of how fast our brains process it
I have a ps4 and a pc capable of playing every game on high 1080p/60fps and I always stick to my console, can't beat the exclusives
@CrazyRightWinger, like what? I also have a ps4 and PC but never really play my ps4. Mostly because persona 5 keeps getting delayed
@Jyu Viole Grace, the last of us remastered is my favorite to play online and uncharted 4 is around the corner. Also a drive club fan and gran turismo will be out
@CrazyRightWinger, yeah last of us was amazing. Personally not a big uncharted fan but there's that to look forward to
Honestly, it only makes a difference for a small number of people who see above 30 fps. It's caused by a mutated gene, which creates hyper-reactive nerves. Caffeine, in large relative doses, also does the trick.
@ArchonErikr, i love you
The human eye sees 30-45 frames at rest, whenever adrenaline kicks in it can go up to 60 or 60+ for some people
I keep reading fps as faps the Internet has changed me
It's not all about specs. The consoles can run games at 60 fps, but not every game. Not every game benefits from it. You can absolutely see much higher than 30 fps, but that doesn't make an experience better. Sometimes it can make it worse, depending on the art style and the game the dev is trying to make.
That's c00l but I don't play video games to see them in 200 FPS because I don't really care
The guys over at /r/pcmasterrace are always joking about this
Get all the systems and you'll always win.
Halo 5 runs at 60 fps...
@Ryzzmac, how did you like the end of halo 5?
@Blackfrost273, loved it and hated it. The end of halo 4 was very solid, like if they never made another halo game, it was okay because the story was concluded. But they DID continue the story, in the form of spartan ops. Now with halo 5, they ended on a massive cliffhanger, and i want to know what happens next, but theres no spartan ops or equivalent. Tl;dr loved it, but hate the cliffhanger.
@Ryzzmac, i thought it was the worse ending ever in the history of gaming and cinema. Which is premature i know. It sucked so much because it really didnt have a build up and it just ended. It seems like the people are going to milk the series for all it is worth to me. I hope not. I really do.
@Blackfrost273, halo 2 pretty much ended on the same note though.
@Ryzzmac, i played halo 2 and i did not feel the same as i do here. I actually wonder why. It might be because i played halo 3 first.
@Blackfrost273, thats exactly why. Back in '06 playing through halo 2 and being left on that moment where chief says "sir, finishing this fight" and roll credits was the worst kick in the groin ever.
@Ryzzmac, that was the legendary ending?
@Blackfrost273, halo 2 didnt have a bonus ending for legendary
@Ryzzmac, yeah. Legendary shows the same thing but it adds the cut of where the geavemind talks to cortana, saying "...I will ask and you will answer" and she holds her hand up against the flood tentacle and says "okay, shoot" and then it outros. Remember? There are two sets of cutscenes on youtube one with and the other without this additional 30 secs or so but both have the "im finishing this fight" part and everything up to it.
@Blackfrost273, that was in the master chief collection only, not in the original halo 2
@Ryzzmac, ah. I still have yet to play the mc collection as well as the anniversary halo2 as well. Correction indeed.
@Blackfrost273, even with that cutscene, it still was a huge cliffhanger. *spoiler* Just like the halo 5 legendary ending where you see a halo ring and hear cortana humming. *end spoiler*
I only have a 720p TV that's 2 years old so I really don't need anything more for my PS4, graphics are already substantially better than my 3 was and a computer that would be built better would just cost too much
*waits for the flame war*
@Doge with an iPhone, calls the flaming gays to the front for tactical advantages on waging war and being themselves.