Just gonna skip over everything else in this picture to say "wow this dude is skinny as hell, im amazed he can even hold an AR-15"
@Fightin First, I betcha he'd kick your booty
@Fightin First, it's all a matter of perspective. He could be 7 ft tall.
@mazemarble, yeah and maybe he only does leg day?
@Fightin First, just declasify it as a long rifle so kids cant buy them to shoot their prom date.
@Fightin First, they aren’t that heavy and the recoil is relatively minor
@Richard Cypher, was being facetious
i mean sarcastic
@Fightin First, you condescending little shít
@AN AMERICAN, right...
@WelI Obviously, nah he’d probably shoot it.
@Z0IDBERG, it’s always been a long rifle, the media just thinks AR means assault rifle
@Fightin First, guns are my expertise, couillon, stick to your metal stick
@XxDEMONBANExX, its funny, because you somehow think im against guns and dont use them from this comment?
@Fightin First, brother, its dante
@Fightin First, they are very light... how heavy are they to you?
@XxDEMONBANExX, oh, didnt know your username lol
@I work at Mazda , depends, how often do you see a comment like mine and think its serious?
@Osama bin Dead, yeah i know its an assault rifle. i mean they should classify it as something higher up so only professionals can buy them. Not the general populace who can also buy a 1 shot long rifle. which is like 16 year olds or something.
@Z0IDBERG, no no no, it’s not an assault rifle, it is a long rifle. It has the mechanics of your typical glock, one trigger pull, one round fired. AR-15s are literally no different than a handgun in the way they work.
@Osama bin Dead, theres no federal minimum age for possession of a long gun. so all ur mentally challenged kids can line up and get their very own AR-15 from their neighbor who's old enough to buy them.
@Z0IDBERG, still seems like we should be focusing on helping the few mentally ill rather than infringe on the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.
“We didn’t have any of your damn safe spaces in ‘Nam!”
...what the hell's an Aris?
@SimonPetrikov, I think it’s some type of gun, but I prefer the Pen15
@K1l, I love the Pen15! My friend sometimes lets me use his Pen15. That thing is massive!
@SimonPetrikov, Dude, I love how easy it is to cock a Pen15!
Unrelated argument is unrelated.
Oh no the anti gun nuts are out on this on lmfao.
@GunLovingMerican, I like you
It's funny how these types of people only call people whiny bitches when those people disagree with them.
Anyone know where I can get this shirt?
He'd sing a different tune if his son or daughter was affected by a shooting. Common sense, people. No civilian realistically needs a weapon with that much destructive power
@Rickenfendsontinsch, man, I needed a good laugh tonight. Thanks!
@ImNotRacistBut, um, np? I guess I'm just a radical libtard then. I just don't want any loon to have access to weapons capable of inflicting huge amounts of damage in a matter of minutes. Fūck me right?
@Rickenfendsontinsch, time and place?
@Rickenfendsontinsch, you do realize the round an ar-15 shoots is about the same diameter of a .22? The argument that it’s a body exploder 9000 type gun is completely inaccurate. Most people that legitimately hunt don’t use the AR for larger game. .308 and calibers greater would do far more damage than you can imagine. You really need to stop believing everything you see on TV. The AR is widely enjoyed by many for target shooting or dealing with varmints (gophers and animals as large as wild boar)
FYI the deadliest shooting in US history was conducted with pistols.. so there’s that...
@Rickenfendsontinsch, one word. Australia. When are people going to realize that gun control actually works? “But muh second amendment!” Uh nothing in that says you are guaranteed the right to own a mass killing machine. I’m saying this as someone who owns 2 guns myself and has been shooting since I was 11.
@Assnihilator, I need to stop believing what I see on TV? Seriously? Why don't you tell that to the parents of the children whose futures were robbed by a man with an ar-15. Those kids are gone, and that's fact of reality
@Rickenfendsontinsch, statistically 99.998% of all AR-15 owners have never committed a crime with one.
People committing crimes with AR-15s are not even statistically valid as a data point.
Oh and over 90% of crimes committed by an AR-15 owner (with the use of their gun) is suicide.
I’m not sure you actually know the facts of the matter at all. I wholeheartedly agree with the previous commenters. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, and your stance is comically ignorant at best. Willfully detrimental at worst.
@Assnihilator, Either you know nothing about ballistics, or you are being disingenuous. The diameter is a minor factor in causing injury: kinetic energy is a major factor. The effect of a high speed bullet from AR15, with about 9 times the kinetic energy, is dramatically worse. Talk to any trauma surgeon.
As for mass shooting, you are misinformed. Top 5: 1. Las Vegas 2017, 59 dead, semi automatic rifle; 2. Pulse nightclub, 2016, 50 dead, Sig Sauer semi-auto rifle until it jammed, then handgun; 3 VA Tech, 2007, 33 dead, handguns; 4. Sandy Hook Elementary, 2012, 28 dead, Semi auto rifle and handgun; 5. Sutherland Springs Church 2017, 27 dead, rifle.
At some point, people have to stop fabricating facts to support their opinions. And at some point we as a nation have to realize that the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms (for a well regulated militia, not because you want one) is not more important than everyone else’s inalienable right to life.
@ImNotRacistBut, I'm glad you whiny little bitches can laugh
@are you ducking nuts, it applies to any form of weapon, back in the day it included mass shipments of gunpowder, cannons, general explosives. It was literally put in place so that the citizenry of the USA had the ability to go to to toe with the government if necessary. It's the idea of the right to protect yourself from tyranny
@occasionalmutant, a militia is just a group of citizens that form of fighting force when they need to, so yes the citizens need guns(also its says “the right of the people”)
You’re right about the kinetic energy. It’s very important and the typical .223 usually just punches a hole straight through. .22LR on the other hand doesn’t have the same force so usually if it enters the body the just ricochets around inside. Makes the surgeons job a nightmare if it hits anywhere vital. But no we only care about “big scary black military grade machine guns” cause that’s definitely what an AR is.
And all your top5 shootings that you listed is really a negligible number of dead in the grand scheme of things. It’s almost as close to nothing without being nothing that you can get compared to the total population.
@Richard Cypher, emphasis on that last part. As I said in my comment it literally is not a statistically significant amount of people.
Gun violence globally and in the US has been dropping for years, and years. Violent crimes and crimes in general are on the decline as well. We live in the safest era of human history. Yet everyone acts like guns are somehow literally the devil and kill 100,000 people a day.
Don’t go entirely off Hollywood and what the media hyperbolizes. They have a vested interest in skewing public perceptions, not accurately explaining facts. That doesn’t create fear and outrage and the clamor to do something, to take sides, to fight some evil. Whats next, “The War on Guns?”
@PB2, plus the U.K. has more knife crime than the US. (We will ignore the bombs and acid attacks) But also 10,000 gun offenses in the country that loves to criticize the US and tout its gun bans/gun control. (And crime rates across the board have been going up over there)
@Richard Cypher, so mass shootings get a pass because they don't affect a significant portion of the overall population. Got it. Problem solved guys, just ignore the problem entirely
@Rickenfendsontinsch, lol sure. Legalize murder and the crime rate will be better than any other county as well.
My point is that you will infringe on the rights of 99.998% of the population for a tiny negligible not even a percentage. That’s not okay to me. You may be willing to give up your rights and live like North Korea but I’d rather keep mine thank you. Unnatural deaths are always a sad thing but you can’t just get rid of everything that has resulted in a death to where people only ever die from natural causes. It won’t happen. People die all the time but you choose to focus on mass shootings and ar15’s despite most gun homicides are by criminals using illegal handguns in robberies(also illegal) or street shootings.
Let’s not completely dismantle these shîthole neighborhoods full of drugs and gangs(that murder each other all the time;there’s your majority of the crime) and instead focus on removing hunting/self defense weapons from law-abiding citizens.
@Rickenfendsontinsch, I'm glad you realize what you are, acceptance is the first step towards change
@are you ducking nuts, gun control doesn't work? One word. Britain.
Oh sorry I have another word. Germany.
Whoops three words, Switzerland
Oh damn my bad man, I'm so bad at math. China, north Korea, the Soviet era in Europe, Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, Libya, Saddam era Iraq, and the good Ol' USA who had a gun ban for 10 years that had no effect on violent crime
Also I feel like your two guns are a .22 bolt action and an airsoft pistol
@occasionalmutant, the 5.56x45 round with the AR traditionally uses is the NATO round, they use it BECAUSE it is a clean through and through round with little actual kinetic transferr
@Rickenfendsontinsch, we better strart taking cars away from sober people. Drunk drivers kill more people than guns do. This is the same logic as the gun debate. I use my vehicle very responsibly. Just because a few stupid people decide to do something absolutely insane like driving drunk should not affect those who use their vehicles respondsibly. Let's put brethalizers in all cars!! That'll surly solve the problem! Bologna.
@occasionalmutant, square up ni🅱️🅱️a
@Medic135, you couldnt ask keyboard SJWs to actually research ballistics or projectile motion physics. They will just call you insults, place their hands over their ears and repeat media soundbits and partisan talking points, as well, we’ve seen throughout this thread.
If you are against guns, may I just ask that you research them, and learn some facts and information about them, as many of the arguments presented against them are simply untenable and mostly nonsensical— relying upon poor or misunderstandings of much of the relevant information.
AR-15s are semi-auto (one bullet per pull of the trigger) it stands for Armalite Rifle, not ‘automatic rifle’ or ‘assault rifle’. It is NOT an M-16 platform, and the AR-15 was designed and manufactured before the M-16 by several years. The AR-15 uses a tiny, pass-through NATO ammunition just barely larger than a .22 caliber varmint round (as it itself is ALSO a varmint round, designed for things like gofers and squirrels, not even birds)
@PB2, people don’t even use ARs for hunting birds, deer, elk, etc as the round is simply not powerful enough unless you’re an expert marksman, and introduces humane issues with how little killing power it actually has unless you nail certain regions of the brain or other vital organs— even then, for larger game, they often slowly bleed-out.
Its not an instrument of death like its reported. Its an accurate mechanism by which to deliver a varmint round at decent range, and so only really used for things like skeet/range shooting and pest hunting.
@Boomhauer, while I appreciate your comparison and respect that it's your opinion, I can't agree with it. Cars serve the basic purpose of getting people where they need to be. Guns don't serve an analogous, base purpose in the hands of civilians. Yeah they're used for hunting, but last time I checked guns like the ar-15 just aren't popular among those who hunt for a living
@Richard Cypher, Yes I can see your point: compared to the total population, this is so small a number we should hardly bother to notice. Thank you, this puts the Holocaust in a new perspective for me. The Jewish population in pre WW II Germany was about 520,000, less than 1 percent (about 0.75%) of the total population. And only 1/3 of those German Jews were killed, so only ¼ of 1 percent. The violent death of innocents is a small thing indeed. This is the kind of moral reasoning that makes me admire those who make these cogent arguments.
@Medic135, Exactly wrong. The NATO 5.56 round was not chosen because it is a clean through and through round with little kinetic transfer. They chose it (in the late 1950s) due to higher accuracy, lower weapon malfunctions, and because it was designed to yaw and fragment. The intent was to stop the enemy, not irritate him. The yaw and fragmentation is highest with the longer barrel M15, due to higher muzzle velocity, and less with the shorter barrel M4. In fact a recent criticism of the M4 is the decreased stopping power because the wound is cleaner, with less yaw and fragmentation.
As someone quick to criticize others because of the lack of knowledge, you should do some of your own research. I take umbrage with your name of Medic, as it presents a false aura of knowledge. The military has been teaching these ballistic features to docs, nurses and medics for decades. How do I know? I served as a trauma emergency physician downrange, I trained medics in TCCC, and docs in Emergency War
@occasionalmutant, you'll be disappointed to know that for years the military has been pushing it's brass to allow them a more damaging caliber than the 5.56 because of enemies not going down in one hit. And you'll be even more disappointed than when the military carries a deadlier caliber, so will I
@Medic135, I'm not disappointed, since I clearly stated that fact when talking about The shorter barreled M4. Nor am I disappointed that you want a caliber with better stopping power. That is your choice, and I support each individuals right to choose. What I don't support is baseless use of inaccurate information to promote an opinion, while dismissing the opinion of those who don't happen to share that opinion.
@occasionalmutant, ww2 wasn’t fought because of German Jews being killed. So that argument is invalid. But just playing along with your tangent, who are we declaring war on? War on guns? That will be a short war if we fight against inanimate objects. So that’s pretty senseless since it’s just an object like a knife or screwdriver. So who else do we go to war against? Is the military going to fight the civilian population behind the object? Oh no wait can’t do that. That would entirely support the 2nd amendment for the civilian’s protection from a tyrannical government...basically a giant I told you so
Why dont we do anything about the criminal neighborhoods run by gangs and drug dealers? They’ve been there forever, everyone knows where they are but they continue to exist. Why? But no we will introduce legislation to retract the rights of citizens across the entire country when we can’t even stop some criminal thugs in neighborhoods. It’s a scam to weaken the law abiding citizens.
@Rickenfendsontinsch, the AR-15 is used in 99.999% of use cases for sport shooting or hunting.
There are less than 2,000 individuals who commit firearm crimes against people other than themselves per year in the US, which has over 100,000,000 gun owners, with an average of over three guns per gun owner.
2,000 is 0.00002% of one hundred million for those of you who aren’t as math inclined.
If each gun owner uses only 1 gun one single time per year, and further we assume there were no mass or multiple shootings and so each and every firearm crime was a unique event carried out by a unique person, shooting someone with a firearm constitutes 2 hundred-thousandths of a percent of all gun use in the US. Now, the assumptions made a fairly ludicrous, and that number is massively overinflated as a result.
Gun crimes actually constitute less than one millionth of a percent of actual gun use across the country. Yet listen to the media and they will tell you guns are only used for killing.
@PB2, then, look up the rate of legal gun ownership and firearm related crime. It turns out that only between 3% and 20% (the best estimate for the Federal average I have seen was 16%) of all firearm related crimes are committed by someone who legally owns the firearm responsible. The overwhelmingly vast majority of firearm crimes are committed with illegally modified, stolen, or black market weapons.
If you want the rate at which legal gun owners commit firearm crimes relative to actual firearm usage, it is less than 1 ten millionth of a percent.
These numbers are so minuscule they are not even statistically significant. As such, broad strokes, sweeping legislation that target all gun owners is simply nonsensical. Not only would it continue to be almost completely ineffective (as with almost all prior firearm legislation) but its targeting a massively inflated and almost entirely unrelated demographic who has yet to actually commit a crime nor done anything wrong.
I need this shirt.
Pro guns argument “Fück off, I like guns”
Of course there are people that could need AR.
Why should they give you one?
Can't argue with that
AR stands for Assault Rifle. Nobody needs a automatic assault semi-machine gun rifle. Don't you know our forefathers thought we would be using muskets? And in a militia too! God people are so stupid for not using COMMON SENSE and banning these assault machine rifle guns from our streets!
@Kekistan Ambassador, you mean fvcking Armalight rifle right?
Do some actual research for once instead of parroting partisan points.
Its semiauto thus NOT an automatic nor assault rifle.
It uses a varmint round that is .223 caliber and is statistically only used for hunting and sport.
@Kekistan Ambassador, it's for ArmaLite Rifle. Not Assault.
@PB2, I think the guy was being sarcastic, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to seriously say "Automatic assault semi-machine gun rifle"
@Kekistan Ambassador, better take the internet, cell phones, and other means of communication away! Surely our forefathers didn't image this form of speech when writing the first amendment! Do you see how stupid your argument is??
@PB2, My guys, I was being completely and utterly sarcastic
You could fix that
Is this dude watching the ring??