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Ahhh, communism at its finest 🤐👍
@TheGoogler, iTs NoT rEaL cOmMuNiSm!
@The Pun Shielder, it's not any kind of communism, it's fascism.
@Your Waifu, Yeah. Communism leads to fascism very easily, but this isn’t a communism specific thing.
@TheGoogler, I'd argue this is more authoritarianism than a communism thing
@Weird Porn Stash, somewhat a misnomer.
If the communist uprising is from the middle class, then fascism grows.
If the Communist uprising is from the lower class, then communism grows.
The lower class empowers the upper class to squash the middle class uprising.
While the middle class will submit to the lower class when the upper class is dead and replaced.
In either case, Mass genocide is done after the fact.
Where I'd love the cathartic feel of these rich kids getting what they want, my principles are to oppose fascism. To kill this weed, pull it before it takes root. Antifa are Marxist terrorists and prove why McCarthy was right.
@That one lurker, woah, what
@Urraca Mesa, what? It's history 101. Need an explanation?
@Weird Porn Stash, the issue with communism is it’s a utopia trying to be made into reality where imperfect humans have to exist- hence why we’ve never actually been close to real communism- especially since in actual communism there is no government or private property or currency- all of which exist in China/Soviet Russia/anywhere else that is “communist”
@That one lurker, so you think it's right to be brought before government to be questioned based on your political beliefs? To be jailed or fired from your job because you've been accused of having such beliefs? I presume you stand for democracy and freedom of expression. If so, how do you square that with McCarthyism?
@Hamilton Porter, I'm not sure a tolerant society can survive if it can't safeguard itself from literal spies from despotic countries. I have the same opinion about Chinese communists as I do about Russian communist. If your sole job is to infiltrate and subvert our system, as they're doing now. Then how could you not see it as justified.
We're talking about people that are making concentration camps to kill off a religious minority. This is what marxists always do once they're comfortable.
If you do not know what I'm talking about, look up the uighur Muslims camps in china.
Is it right for the US to allow China to propagandize the us through corporations like Facebook and Twitter?
@That one lurker, perhaps it's the romantic in me, but as a matter of principal I do not believe we should exchange our liberties for security.
Do you see the irony in your defense of McCarthyism and the concentration camps you speak of? People's liberties were taken away for simply having conflicting beliefs. Foreign spies exist in every country. But just because one's beliefs do not align with the majority does that a spy make. The US majority held very different beliefs in the 60s and it wasn't until a small opposition changed that with the civil rights movement. MLK was no spy, but Hoover certainly treated him as one.
To stand with McCarthy is to stand with government that that persecutes its citizens for their beliefs. McCarthy was what communists are accused of being. McCarthy was Big Brother. McCarthy was cancel culture.
@Hamilton Porter, I'm not sure you know what a spy is. Not to be mean. A malicious actor that is being paid for information from the internal workings of the United States, with the intent to sabotage and usurp the country is wrong regardless of who does it. The US did it, and we got the Taliban. Russia does it and we got hippies. Both are equally smelly, and destructive to the foundations of democracy.
I understand where you coming from with the Liberty vs Security argument, the problem I have is that we have no Security and all Liberty. Communism is a bad idea it should be laid out on the floor and vivisected for America to see, so it can be finally put the rest.
Marx was wrong with every bit of his diatribe. Socialism made sense nearly 200 years ago, but it has outlived its purpose. The fact that we have an entire generation thinking socialism works shows that we have no defense and that were letting everything be permissible....
@That one lurker, I understand what a spy is. I don't think you understood me. What I was saying is that we should not treat those with opposing political beliefs as spies, which unless I misunderstood you, is what you implied by saying "I'm not sure a tolerant society can survive if it can't safeguard itself from literal spies from despotic countries." Even if that is not what you meant, given the context of the conversation we are having about McCarthyism, I hope you can see why I inferred that from your comment. McCarthy treated alleged communists as spies. Even if one disagrees with communism it is not worth giving up the liberties of average citizens because they might be spies. I use the example of communists because we are talking about McCarthy, but the point I am trying to make is much broader: Government should leave its citizens alone with their beliefs so long as said citizens do not pose a violent threat to said government or its citizens. Fear kills democracy.
@Hamilton Porter, when I made that statement I meant it literally. Where I could have been clearer was to separate my lines with a page break. I was inferring to Chinese and Russians, and any other in between.
I was putting forward that the differentiation in believe is not genuine. Take how people are censored now. A man tried to call out big Tech censorship over a story that would hurt their political candidate. He was met in the streets by communists and his teeth was busted from a sucker punch. The guy came out saying he'd not be silenced by their violence and got banned from the tech companies he was protesting.
This is why I made my first post, so far people's been angry about my comments on McCarthy. Tell me what else you read in my statement. I hate radicalism. It's been one of the fundamental flaws of the liberal state since its inception. How do you think society would look today if we didn't have the Weather Underground or the Black Panthers or the KKK?
@Hamilton Porter, quick aside, I'm sorry I can't articulate more then just sheer emotion right now. I have a head splitting head ache that's pīssing me off.
@Hamilton Porter, please look at this. 24min.
@That one lurker, my reason for replying to you is because of your McCarthy comment. Society would certainly be better without groups like the KKK, but I don't think the way to reach a better society is through governmental force and persecution (e.g. McCarthyism).
I'll have to check the link you sent me later. FP does not have clickable links.
@Hamilton Porter, where I understand the sentiment. It's hard to separates a spy from their work. Like poison on a pinprick. I'm suggestioning to defend against the prick to stop the poison. With out doing anything more then educating our kids on how economics works, the poison in us now will fade in time.
Ps: I sent that link in a panic cause it just came out. The video shows the news articles in video that are relevant.
@That one lurker, We have no security and all liberty? Dude, what fantasy world are you living in? We’ve been losing our liberties for the sake of “security” since 9/11.
@That one lurker, Hey, I watched the video. What news articles are you referring to?
@Weird Porn Stash, I was having a bad head ache yesterday. Let me explain off of your point with meta commentary.
I have some dislikes on my first post, for the most part, I believe them to be cause I said "McCarthy was right." I don't know if that's not the case for most.
What you placed out is a good point. How I should have put it was that.
I understand the liberties vs security argument, we need to stand stalwart versus ideas that have the sole goal of destroying America.
With the point you bring up, with my meta commentary included, we have McCarthyism currently being driven by Marxist.
The point of contention I wasn't able to catch in my stupor was the switch between McCarthy himself and McCarthyism.
That's where we got stuck in the weeds.
Communists are ether stupid or malicious.
Socialists don't understand how much economics have progressed.
And Marxists are just pits of greed and envy demanding power.
@Hamilton Porter, I don't know why the guy doesn't put his links in the description. But if you would have looked at the task bar you could have seen the URL.
I copied it here.
@That one lurker, I just read the article. I do not agree that the constitution should be abolished. Pool does not talk about the author's argument for it.
That being said, I'm failing to see the relevance of the video and article to our conversation about McCarthyism.
@Hamilton Porter, I think I mentioned my mistake when talking with @Weird Porn Stash. "McCarthy was right" was my original statement, not about McCarthyism being right. There are bad faith actors within our institutions that are trying to destroy America as it is. A Constitutional Republic with democratically elected Representatives. We're a collection of states that give up some power to a Federal Government that over sees the interests of the States.
When you look at the article given and the repealing of california's civil rights law from the state constitution. https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Proposition_209_Affirmative_Action_Amendment_(2020)
It's hard to imagine this A: grass roots or B: being done in good faith.
Either death in prison or just immediate death
@megamanx181x, no prison. Just happy sun shine education camp for those who had incorrect previous education. Sometimes one go in, 5 more live thanks to them. Very good for world.
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@Prince super Vegeta , that looks like it might be an ifunny logo, very sus.
A foot fetish is a perfectly valid and acceptable fetish to have.
@That one lurker, *all other fetishes grab pitchforks and torches*
And somehow it's all capitalism's fault