It can be proven scientifically
Or we can vote 3rd party and not waste our votes...
@RedRussia4, I tried. Didn't do any good. Too many of them still think they have to vote either Republican or Democrat.
We got a left nut and a right nut; what we need is the Johnson.
I'll take my chances with trump, at least he isn't wanted by the fbi for treason yet
@nemestrinus , "yet"
@nemestrinus , no he just has the national security council saying he's a huge security risk and is Putins side chick. But sure let's be safe because of some emails
@Brickmasta8, so a bunch of hand picked democrats have no bias? But arming terrorist groups to overthrow a govt without congressional declaration of war is not treason? We had zero reason to throw Libya into anarchy and drive thousands out to sea to drown. Then there is the wonderful overthrow in Syria.
@Sweet or Sour, it's a Republican run security council
@Brickmasta8, Barrack Kerry Biden Rice Carter are execs and the heads of various depts who are political appointees . Unless you have another group you are thinking of
@Brickmasta8, so to sum up if you want safe vote Green
@Sweet or Sour, sorry I meant Republican led pentagon
@nemestrinus , #feeltgejohnson
@Brickmasta8, finally, some common sense in this app. I've been seeing way too many conservatives.
@Sweet or Sour, believe it or not Congress(legislative branch) holds the most power out of all the branches. They are Republican led.
@nemestrinus , Jesus Christ what is the point of this post? To prove their both terrible, don't do this on funny pics man, please, go to facebook or something
@Brickmasta8, dude, you just started a fire, a bone fire, but choosing sides, please, let funny pics be funny pics without bringing politics in
@Sweet or Sour, STOP ENCOURAGING THEM
@nemestrinus , if you actually believe the president has any power to change things then you've bought into their campaign propaganda. The president doesn't have any power to change anything. Regardless of who wins the same people will still be in power and nothing will ever change. The only time any real change happens is when we have world changing events like 9/11. Every president nothing really changes. The president has the power to veto but they don't actually have any power beyond that. And even that isn't much. The president is nothing more then someone for people to complain about while the real people in power control things.
@nemestrinus , Try Gary Johnson, Jill stein, Cathulu if your taking chances that is
@Brickmasta8, "some emails" that show that the Democratic party has been selling government positions and calls their supporters clowns. At least Trump is a prick on the outside.
@Seohn, Executive Order... take off the tin foil hat for a second.
@jasohazard, well trump is under investigation for fraud with his casinos in new Jersey with his boy Christie. Also now there are some rape charges being brought against him. So again I don't see how this equals trump being good
@Brickmasta8, For now that is alleged, these emails are real. I'm not saying he's a saint.
@Brickmasta8, you seriously misunderstand the military's relationship with politics. Putting political ideas ahead of military capability will end your career. The recent leak of Pentagon memo/plan to fight Ryan's defense bill betrays your position. Don't mistake disdain for military ineptitude for partisanship. Remember the president chooses/approves high level promotions and have controlled those for 16 of past 24 years.
@Fireriderax , merely providing information not filtered by party loyalty.
@Sweet or Sour, alright, fair enough, but to ignorant people such as myself and the others, it will be interpreted as support and argument
@Fireriderax , Ignorance, THAT is the problem, people assume their party is correct and other wrong without learning truth vs half truth.
@Sweet or Sour, aight, but if you tell some that's ignorant something about the other side, they will assume you are arguing agents them, and will therefore not listen to you
@JakobJeanCiccone, What's wrong with conservatives?
@Fireriderax , it's an art
@CriTiKa1, well generally speaking, all major positive social change (abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights movement, etc.) are liberal movements with the conservatives resistant to all social change. Additionally, conservatives tend to be more for reducing regulations on big banks allowing them to be less transparent, in their actions support companies that ship jobs overseas while at the same time bashing them for doing so, and tend to be completely scientifically illiterate, supporting the removal of evolution from the classroom and denying that climate change is a thing. Not really a highlight reel if you ask me
@CriTiKa1, there's more to it, and conservative policies aren't all bad. In certain states, unions are too powerful, our national policy can't be all peace and love (however they tend to go overboard and overuse the "big stick" part of diplomacy), and a few other areas they seem to be alright. But they do have some serious hypocrisy issues, like claiming to support our troops when they send them off to war for unsubstantiated reasons and then when asked to vote for an increase in vet benefits, especially for the wounded, they shoot it down. Literally one such bill presented by Senator Sanders and Senator McCain was shot down by nearly every republican except McCain on the grounds of, "we don't have the money". If we don't have the money, don't send our people to war then! Especially for stupid reasons
I mean, that John guy isn't a self destructive dick bag. So we can just vote for him.
You're a fool if you really think the president has enough power to fvck up the country on their own.
@Assassinator2399, "Obamacare", Libya, Syria, illegals are essentially jailed vs being free in US or their home country, "waterboarding" that trashed our reputation
@Sweet or Sour, the last two are true however they didn't really fvck the country up as a whole. However Obamacare was approved by Congress meaning Obama proposed the act and Congress passed it into law.
@Assassinator2399, what was passed by Congress was a shell, Obama cut the Republicans and most of Congress out while his beureaucrats wrote it. Still it was impossible to function without dozens of executive orders counteracting businesses reactions trying to survive.
@Assassinator2399, if you removed the executive orders it would collapse. And it will take another executive order to protect union health plans from cadillac clause.
Giant duche vs turd sandwich 2016. Season 20 of south park bbys.
You're a piece of shjt, I'm a piece of shjt, lets just hook up. There's no need to get anal about it.
Ah you don't even need math for this one....
Donald Trump will create jobs though for the wall
@Chimon, stop doing what you're doing
@Chimon, but the wall would cost more tax payer money than the jobs would produce
@InsanityWolf404, a lot more
@InsanityWolf404, billions in trump pockets
@InsanityWolf404, You can pay for the wall by placing a tax on money being sent back to Mexico. At the same time paying for the wall and discouraging more people from coming here illegally. Don't mistake me for a trump supporter I think they are both terrible. I simply wish to show a possible solution to the problem you propose.
@Kliment Voroshilov, the problem is that we Mexico only $51.5mil in aid and "discouraging illegals" costs money, doesn't generate it. Even if we were going to go with the most outlandish proposed cost for the wall ($4bil according to Trump), unless we save up for eight years and don't give Mexico a penny, we won't have the money for that. But if we're being realistic about the cost, it'll probably be closer to $25bil so it's legitimately not gonna happen without raising taxes and sucking up tons of taxpayer money for a stupid fvcking wall that really won't do shjt to stop illegal immigration
@Palenius Repignero, Trade with mexico is a total of $280.5 billion levying even a 6% tax on imports will pay for the wall even if we assume that it will cost $25 billion in just a few years. Although that's not really what I was talking about in the first place. Part of the reason that people come here illegally is so they can make money to send back to their family in Mexico. If we levied a tax on wire transfers of cash to Mexico we can discourage that kind of behaviour. It won't pay for the wall but it's a start
@Kliment Voroshilov, I feel I should clarify I don't agree with building the wall in the physical sense I agree more with the idea of actually doing something and addressing the issue I'm just trying to act as devils advocate and foster a sensible and civil discussion.
@Kliment Voroshilov, you said we should tax the money being "sent" back which implies being given, not earned. Trade profits are earned by the exchange of goods, foreign aid is given to countries/gov'ts that support/are friends of the US. But as far as you calling illegal immigration an issue, while it is an annoyance, it's not a terrible "issue" and here's why. Illegals give far more to the economy than they take, additionally the jobs they take and hours they hold are unattractive to Americans. In fact, they're so bad that whenever states have done mass deportations of illegal workers, their economies suffered greatly because in the year or two (depending on which state you look at) after the deportations took place, those jobs remained unfilled causing massive losses in profits for those companies and a started downward spiral for their economies so those states immediately reinstated the more lax immigration laws.
@Kliment Voroshilov, So they aren't taking jobs from Americans, the only thing they do end up taking is our tax money in aid for hospital bills among other things and since they're not citizens and are paid under the table, they don't get taxed. So how should we fix this? Simple, by making the legal immigration process simpler. As of right now, it costs between $40,000 and $60,000 to have the chance of becoming a legal immigrant to the U.S. Because of all the background/medical testing we require, and that could all be for naught if they aren't selected for their class of 450,000~ foreign-born immigrants we let into our country every year, so they either have to wait even longer to get in or give up. That's a lot of money for someone to spend on the off chance they'll be able to enter the country legally. I say we either relax the immigration securities put in place (terrorist groups aren't training and "sending" people here, they're recruiting our own citizens over the web)
@Palenius Repignero, I'm sorry about that I suppose I should have made it clearer as to which transactions I was referring to in the first place.
As to the illegal I migrants taking jobs Americans don't want that is true but that also means that they aren't paying taxes in the process which of course reduces revenue. But more to the point you are overlooking the large number of criminals that come here illegally as well, the so called sanctuary cities have had skyrocketing crime rates as of late and even when those people are imprisoned they don't care because an American prison is a damn sight better than a Mexican one. To say that illegal immigration isn't an issue is intellectually dishonest and relies on ignoring the facts of the situation.
@Kliment Voroshilov, so it's not like we're significantly increasing the nation's risk, and we'd be able to reduce the cost/time of entry. Or we increase our limits on how many people we let into the country. Right now there are 19 million people on the waiting list who are either in the process of getting their tests done or they have already passed ever test and are waiting to be admitted, but at the rate of 450,000~ a year, that's gonna take a long ass time. So it makes perfect logical sense for them to choose to come here illegally when we make it so painful to do it the right way. Either that, or make work visas much easier to come by
@Kliment Voroshilov, actually in every survey done, immigrants perform less crime per capita and less violent crime per capita than any other group in the US. The worst being American born whites for crime in general and American born non-whites for violent. All that stuff of them being criminals is absolute bull when you look at the research
@Kliment Voroshilov, additionally, those cities that have skyrocketing crime rates that also have more relaxed immigration laws are legitimately cases of correlation not equating to causation, usually it's another reason for the increased crime rates. Take Los Angeles for example, it's issues stem from its harsh anti-drug policies and corruption within the gov't, not from the immigrants. Same goes for nearly any city that has a high crime rate. Things weren't nearly as bad until we started the War on Drugs which funds dangerous criminal groups like the cartels and puts people in a never ending cycle of poverty in which they have no legal job prospects so they just go back into crime
@Palenius Repignero, at least the scientifically done surveys without outside corporate funding
@Palenius Repignero, We are both spitting nearly unsubstantiated statements at each other and doing no good for either of us or anyone else that may read this. I propose that we figuratively shake hands and agree to disagree.
@Kliment Voroshilov, alright, I know our discussion is over, so I'm not going to argue how my statements are completely substantiated by factual scientific information from reliable sources. But because I keep getting this response in every debate I enter on the Internet when the discussion is civil, from now on I'll add a bibliography post to the end of my responses in an easily searchable manner so anyone who cares to look will be able to verify my sources as reliable and factual
@InsanityWolf404, every building project of the govt costs more than it produces in jobs - they do not create factories that create wealth. That was the farce about the shovel ready projects and bond bailouts, it would have done more for saving homes and stimulating economy to just give every family the $50,000 for the added debt. That is added debt above Bush level spending, did anybody here see more than a couple thousand of benefit you maybe got out of cash for cclunkers?
@Palenius Repignero, Thank you sir, rather than being civil admitting that we are simply spitting our own ideas back and forth at each other with no hope of progress you chose to make one final dig at me by claiming that all of your arguments are absolutely infallible and anyone who opposes you is an evil doing moron. I applaud you sir for your complete and total accepting of your beliefs.
@Kliment Voroshilov, I didn't say that. I said they are conclusions built upon factual information. I never said whoever doesn't agree with me is a moron. I don't think you're evil or a moron (I never said that anywhere), however I know that in particular your claims about immigrants having higher crime rates is easily refutable and likely made off of either incomplete or false heavily partisan information. I get frustrated when I use factual claims to support an opinion and then my opponent chooses to call a draw on the grounds that neither of us really knows what we're talking about/we're just spouting off second hand information when I happen to do this for argument and logic courses for my law school on the regular as well as for my university's debate team and actually do know this stuff. When people claim I don't actually know or am just spouting off an opinion based off of the biased media, it's insulting. So all I said is that from now on I'd use a bibliography to back me up
Has anyone ever considered that Trump has more failed business ventures than he lets on. And becoming president is just his retirement plan so he can collect a paycheck for life? For that matter all politicians.
@Seohn, he has like 3-5 failed businesses to like 80 successes
Soo... Corncob vs lizard...?
South Park said it best: we're choosing between a giant d-bag and a turd sandwich.
With Hilary's bad health, I think a vote for her will actually be for her vice president.
@purplepanda72, you do know that all of this propaganda about her health. We're talking about health problems she had back in 2012. I saw the article that Fox put out when they were talking about her concussion which happened four years ago but they don't talk about when it happened in the article very much they mention it once and you have to really pay attention to notice it.
You got my vote Rick
@MidshipmanEasy, in the opening scene of the pilot, he almost nuked the world. Now the Council of Ricks, that's my vote.
For very different reasons though
Proof being your lives up to this point